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  1. #85

    Few hours in Bogota

    Hello Routard, hello, other members!

    I'm new here in the Forum and I decided to post a question. I'll be in Bogota just for a stopover I would land at 4 am Next flight at 1:30 pm. I will come from Europe so jetlag it's no problem: at 4 am I'm completely awake so what would be the best things to do? I would be interested in massage or in Girls Clubs whatever you suggest. Should I hire a taxi for all the time or is it enough to drive somewhere and drive back to the airport? Money exchange or creditcard? Do I need internet? Because I have no roaming availability. Thank you very much for your suggestions! I hope to post some experiences after I was there. It will be in the beginning of October. Thank you!

  2. #84
    That is so true tho, a nice girl can make a whole difference.

    I guess I'll have to check all the massage parlour myself when I'll be there then.

  3. #83
    Keep in mind that mongering scene changes all the time, girls go from one place to another sometimes even in the same day or night. The very first time I discovered that spa, I was indeed impressed by the line-up. A friend of mine followed my advice and confirmed also, he even descibed his session of the best ever in Bogota. But when I checked again the line up 2 years later, I was disappointed. Maybe it was just the wrong day or the wrong time of the day, who knows.

    Juan Pablo Zhivago was for me the best club in Bogota, girls that could make you fall in love. I have incredible memories of this place but since a couple of years each time I visit it hoping to find again the club of my memories, I just find an empty bar. Remember, it's all about the girl, not the place, and you just need one single girl in the place you are visiting to give you an incredible experience.

    Do not care about the name of the places, most have no signs, they change it all the time, taking sometimes the name of another popular one, and sometimes even the girls inside don't know what the name is. It's all about the location, and the exact location is the one in the FAQ.

  4. #82

    Abadubai / Abadunai spa

    Thanks again Routard for your big FAQ on 28/10.

    Took me 30 minutes to read everything but totally worth it.

    I m planning to go to Bogota for my first time for one week soon.

    I have a few question tho, is Abadubai Spa (or Abadunai on the map) still opened? Has someone been there recently?

    After reading our review, I really want to go there since Routard says the line up is the best there.

    After looking for the address, it appears that websites are giving me a lot of different locations for this massage parlour.

    I just wanted to confirm with you guys who have been there that it's this location:

    https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Cra.+12 a+%2377 a-25,+Bogot%C3%A1,+Colombie / at 4. 6633791,-74.0565011,17 z / data=!4 m13!1 m7!3 m6!1 s0 x8 e3 f9 a5 ef8 a27 ef7:0 x499 c57 e4 e4 c4 af91!2 sCra. +12 a+%2377 a-25,+Bogot%C3%A1,+Colombie!3 b1!8 m2!3 d4. 6632963!4 d-74.0567169!3 m4!1 s0 x8 e3 f9 a5 ef8 a27 ef7:0 x499 c57 e4 e4 c4 af91!8 m2!3 d4. 6632963!4 d-74.0567169.

    If you have other nice massage parlours to recommend, I would totally give an eye in it.

  5. #81
    150 000 fee is what gets the club, for the room or for the exit. The fee for sex is to negociate with the girl.

  6. #80

    Questions about short time in clubs.

    Hi Routard, Great report!

    I am curious when you say 150,000 for room or exit fee. Does this mean it is the time to session with a chica in the room? Or it is the fee for the room and then an additional fee for the session?

    Thanks for the clarification!

    High end clubs in zona norte

    Night time, time for some more serious action! As you made a long trip to get here, you just are looking for the best that Bogota has to offer. Good news, the best clubs are in the Northern Area close to your hotel and each club is at walking distance of the next, although walking from the first south to the last north would be too far. They are the typical nightclubs with rooms for sex. Although most have podiums with pole dance, there are seldom strip shows. Except Porky, the clubs have no signs, but obvious bouncers at the door indicate that there is a club. Here is where you will find the hottest girls in Bogota and of course also the most expensive. Average age between 20 and 30, very good looking and nicely dressed. There is usually a 150 000 fee for the club to go to the room or to leave the club with the girl, the rest is to negotiate directly with the girl, around 200 000 to 400 000 for a shorty and 300 to 600 000 for all night. For local standards, these prices are way over rated, but then again compared to what you would pay in USA or Europe for an escort, it's still a good deal as girls are very hot and service is excellent. Trouble is that price has no fixed scheme and needs to be negotiated, which is more difficult if you don't speak Spanish and are an obvious tourist. As a gringo, expect to pay the double of regular prices.

    Even if prices are way higher as in Zona de Tolerencia, girls do not necessarily earn more. When in zona de Tolerencia, they will earn roughly a 100 000/ hour during peak time with quickies, drink tips and stage dances. In a high end Club, she is not allowed to leave the club before closing time, might end the night without any client and at best end the night with a customer and earn 400 000 ending her night shift at 7 am. Only the most beautiful girls might earn better in this environment that is why you will find here the most beautiful girls of Bogota.

    If you are just for a short trip to Colombia, an all nighter is definitely my recommendation as once back in Europe or USA it's virtually impossible to pay for making love all night with a young top model looking girl. What makes the service so good with all night? Well, first, the girl is not in her brothel territory but in your territory, she doesn't want to take the risk to deal with an unsatisfied customer while more vulnerable. Second, being out of the brothel environment, it helps both to forget that the relation is within a business agreement as Colombianas have a natural trend to be tender and sweet. Third, that night you will be her only client and sex partner, some nights she even has any client, she therefore will give the best of her. And last, payment is not upfront but when she leaves. That night she will be your girlfriend and risk is high to forget she is just a pro.

    Only problem of these clubs apart from the high prices is the harassment of the crew to make you drink, you and the girl. Once you have ordered a bottle, pressure drops, but please check pricing before ordering. All these clubs have clear prices advertised (although some price lists mention at the bottom of the list that 19% VAT has to be added to all listed prices). But prices are overrated at least for local standards. A beer or a Coke will cost at least 30 000. May be throwing big money in expensive clubs surrounded by beautiful girls is your idea of fun. I would rather recommend to just take a glass, chose quickly a girl and get out of the club in order to keep the money for the sex.

    There are no cover fees to get in these clubs; they are all in a walking distance from one another and in a safe area even at night. Most probably you will be spotted by some local dude that get a small commission to bring a customer to a club and that will bring you from one club to another. They will not really harass you, are not dangerous and at least will show you around all the existing clubs. These clubs start to open at 7 pm and close at 3 am every day.

    How does a girl evaluate the acceptable price for an all nighter? The typical mistake a mongerer makes when negotiating an all nighter is to believe that the girl takes in consideration physical aspect, personal sex appeal, exclusivity of your hotel room, or any other comfort consideration. Actually the girl doesn't care; she will only look what she will not earn that night being not in the club. Roughly if she is a club in Zona de Tolerencia, she earns 100 000 an hour during peak time, 50 000 an hour during the week or after 2 am, do the math. I therefore would definitively advice to keep your all nighter plan for week days. Keep in mind that if you take a girl out early in the evening, she will try to leave after a couple of hours spent in order to go back to a club and earn more money. Best is to leave with a girl at closing time, as after a couple of hours even the early morning clubs are closing and she will have no reason to leave anymore. Just before closing time, she is very vulnerable as risk is high for her to end the night without customer. Keep in mind that all nighter is a very relative meaning, so best is to close the deal with the girl agreeing on exact end time.

    Most girls in high end clubs have no problem giving their personal phone number for another meeting without the club's exit fee. If there was chemistry during the first night with a girl, it's an excellent idea to meet her again outside the club. Treat her as a date, and you will get genuine GFE.

    Walking from South to North:

    Olimpo Carrera 14 # 80-65. Tel. 321xxxx204. Open from Monday till Sunday from 8 pm till 5 am. It used to be a famous swing club (Spa WS). Nice clean nightclub area at ground floor, rooms at second floor. 20 girls, no cover, pricing for the room or exit fee is 160 000, the girl will ask 150 000- 300 000 for a short time and 300 000- 600 000 for all night.

    El Padrino Carrera 14 # 81-10. Tel. 320xxxx750. https://www.facebook.com/clubelpadrinointernacional/. Open from Monday till Saturday from 7 pm till 3 am. Impressive line-up, 40 very hot girls, no cover, pricing for the room or exit fee is 180 000, the girl will ask 150 000- 300 000 for a short time and 300 000- 600 000 for all night.

    Ibiza Carrera 14 # 82-49. Open from Monday till Saturday from 8 pm till 3 am. It's a new small club. 15 girls, no cover, pricing for the room or exit fee is 150 000, the girl will ask 100 000- 200 000 for a short time and 250 000- 500 000 for all night.

    Lalo International Club (ex Porkys) Calle 83 #14 A-28. Tel 314xxxx000 https://www.facebook.com/Porkys-Club...8361188396084/. Open from Monday till Saturday from 7 pm till 3 am. They changed the name for Lalo's, which is confusing as the real Lalo's is on Carrera 15#88-30. Both are from the same owner. 40 very hot girls, no cover, exit fee 185 000, the girl will ask 200 000- 300 000 for a short time and 3000 000- 600 000 for all night. There are no rooms in the club, but the club has a hotel nearby at additional price.

    Lewinski Carrera 14 # 85-17. Open from Monday till Saturday from 7 pm till 3 am. This a smaller bar compared to the others. There are just half a dozen girls, but why not throw a look as entrance is free. There are no rooms inside and exit fee is 150 000, the girl will ask 150 000- 300 000 for a short time and 250 000- 500 000 for all night.

    La Piscina del Norte Calle 86 A # 14-45, a black house easily to spot. Open daily from 7 pm till 3 am. Don't expect a swimming pool as you might find it in a FKK, it's just a decor pool. 30 girls, strip tease, rooms on site. No cover, exit fee or room fee of 150 000, the girl will ask 150 000- 300 000 for a short time and 250 000- 500 000 for all night.

    VIP Calle 86 a # 14-57 next door of la Piscina del Norte, smaller and cheaper facilities. The name keeps changing, even the bouncers don't know anymore what is the name. 15 girls, strip tease, rooms on site. Open from Monday till Saturday from 7 pm till 3 am. No cover, exit fee or room fee of 150 000, the girl will ask 150 000- 300 000 for a short time and 250 000- 500 000 for all night.

    Red Garden Calle 86 A # 13 A-44. Open from Monday till Saturday from 7 pm till 3 am. It's just lower class bar compared to the others, but it's just in front of the 2 former clubs, so why not have a look. There are just half a dozen girls way less beautiful than in the other clubs in the area. No cover, exit fee or room fee of 150 000, the girl will ask 150 000- 300 000 for a short time and 200 000- 400 000 for all night. Very few customers here, you can easily negotiate down the prices.

    Lalos: Cr 15 # 88-33. This is the most popular club, here you will find the best choice in term of looks and quantity. Impressive line-up, some 40 very sexy girls. It's also the most expensive one. Open daily from 6 pm till 3 am. Pricing is 165 000 for the room or for exit fee. Girls ask 200 000- 400 000 for a short time and 400 000- 800 000 for all night, as they have to pay daily 100 000 to the club.

    Juan Pablo Zhivago Carrera18 N. 93 46. Open daily except Sunday from 7 pm till 3 am. Tel, 616 47 74. Open daily from 6 pm till 3 am. https://www.facebook.com/JuanPablosZhivago/. This used to be my favorite club, as it's the only one that understands that clients don't want to be harassed by a crew of waiters in smoking. Therefore it's a popular club for Asian expats ready to spend money as long as it's in a safe and quiet environment. As it caters to Asians, they have even Karaoke rooms, but no rooms for sex. No cover, no strip-tease shows, no one to harass you to sit on a table, to drink or to be with a girl. There are only 10 girls, so some people might feel bored. But it's the closest you can find in Bogota that gives you the illusion of a regular lounge bar where you meet your girlfriend for the night. And it's also the only place in Bogota where I could find the truly occasional student just trying to pay her college. Pricing is 150 000 for take-out, the girls will ask 300 000 to 600 000 for the night.

    Lido Carrera 14 # 95-33. Open daily from 9 pm till 6 am. This club disappeared from the radar when they built a building on the former location. The new location is just a block away from the historic one. Open daily from 6 pm till 6 am. High end and large facilities, 30 hot girls. Pricing is 150 000 for take-out or room, the girls will ask 300 000 to 600 000 for the night.

    Punto G Carrera 15 #95-80. Open daily from 9 pm till 6 am. It's a new club, a block away from Lido. Just 10 girls, probably because they just start in the business, but the club has potential. Pricing is 150 000 for take-out or room, the girls will ask 250 000 to 500 000 for the night.

    Lancaster Carrera 15 #106-58. Tel 520 68 19 https://www.facebook.com/people/Lanc...0008354311188. This club also disappeared from the radar when they closed their location in Calle 90, but they opened again much Northern. Open from Monday till Saturday from 8 pm till 3 am. Pricing is 160 000 for take out or for the room, the girls will ask 250 000 to 500 000 for the night. There are only 10 girls, not really worth the visit as it's also further away from the rest of the clubs.

    Flirt hotel Carrera 45 A #123-30 http://www.flirtbogota.co/. Open daily except Sunday. Call or text before to 311xxxx422. No cover, credit cards accepted. A big house with upscale lounge to drink. 10 sophisticated girls line up to choose from. Pricing is 200 000 for the room or 400 000 to take out before midnight, 200 000 after midnight, plus 400 000/30 min 600 000/60 min for the girl. It's by far the most expensive club of Bogota. I was not impressed by the line-up, girls have just great dresses, hair and make-up but are not more beautiful than in any other place. Higher price is also not guarantee for better sex, some girls seem to have an attitude.

    OZ Club Calle 74#20-39 www.ozclub.com.co Open from Monday till Saturday from 7 pm till 3 am. This one is not in the Northern Area anymore, but it's a high end club, at least regarding the pricing. At first I believed it was just a "barra why tanga" and that no sex was offered, but yes they do. 20 000 cover and for this you get a private strip show, although there are also public strip shows. The facilities are nice, but there are only 10 girls. Pricing for sex is to be negotiated with the girl, but expect 200 000 including the room. There is also take out, bar fine is 140 000 and the girl will probably ask 200 000 till 400 000 for all night.

    Just for the record, as I don't recommend this scene, there is some street action in the vicinity of these clubs, mainly on Carrera 15 with Calle 86 and on Carrera 15 with Calle 103.

  7. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    You're probably going to die. Sorry.

    Were you aware that STD stands for sexually transmitted disease? The bacteria grows inside the penis or vagina and is transferred from one to the other through vaginal penetration. The only risk you were exposed to was if she had open sores on her lips or in her mouth, which could be herpes.

    If you paid for a massage and negotiated for a happy ending and she immediately starts blowing you, there is one other risk. There's a very good chance you overpaid by a bunch.
    He will definitely die, as will everyone else.

  8. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by RunTweek  [View Original Post]
    Good evening,

    I recently encounter my first experience in a Bogota, Colombia massage parlor. Prior to starting, I negotiated that I wanted a massage with a happy ending. Upon getting undressed, she immediately started kissing and licking my scrotum and I politely reminded her I just wanted a massage for now with a happy ending. My question is. In the 15 seconds that she was kissing me on the lips and on my dick, do I have to worry about an STD? She never put the entire head in her mouth or even opened it, just kissed it as if she was feeling me out without a condom. Has anyone experienced in these situations heard of activities being offered unprotected? Even kissing on the lips? It was my first experience so I want to ensure that my risk is minimal. Thanks in advance.
    You're probably going to die. Sorry.

    Were you aware that STD stands for sexually transmitted disease? The bacteria grows inside the penis or vagina and is transferred from one to the other through vaginal penetration. The only risk you were exposed to was if she had open sores on her lips or in her mouth, which could be herpes.

    If you paid for a massage and negotiated for a happy ending and she immediately starts blowing you, there is one other risk. There's a very good chance you overpaid by a bunch.

  9. #77
    I asked the same question at the clinic. My understanding is kissing has very little risk unless there is obvious signs of infection.

    Also that the receiver has less of a risk for catching anything. Again this is if there were no signs.

    Still you should bet tested as a baseline regardless of the activity this time.

    Also a informative and funny read: https://markmanson.net/std-guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by RunTweek  [View Original Post]
    Good evening,

    I recently encounter my first experience in a Bogota, Colombia massage parlor. Prior to starting, I negotiated that I wanted a massage with a happy ending. Upon getting undressed, she immediately started kissing and licking my scrotum and I politely reminded her I just wanted a massage for now with a happy ending. My question is. In the 15 seconds that she was kissing me on the lips and on my dick, do I have to worry about an STD? She never put the entire head in her mouth or even opened it, just kissed it as if she was feeling me out without a condom. Has anyone experienced in these situations heard of activities being offered unprotected? Even kissing on the lips? It was my first experience so I want to ensure that my risk is minimal. Thanks in advance.

  10. #76

    Recently tried Bogota Massage Parlor. Question.

    Good evening,

    I recently encounter my first experience in a Bogota, Colombia massage parlor. Prior to starting, I negotiated that I wanted a massage with a happy ending. Upon getting undressed, she immediately started kissing and licking my scrotum and I politely reminded her I just wanted a massage for now with a happy ending. My question is. In the 15 seconds that she was kissing me on the lips and on my dick, do I have to worry about an STD? She never put the entire head in her mouth or even opened it, just kissed it as if she was feeling me out without a condom. Has anyone experienced in these situations heard of activities being offered unprotected? Even kissing on the lips? It was my first experience so I want to ensure that my risk is minimal. Thanks in advance.

  11. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    There are several reasons. First, the altitude. Next is size. Medellin is also cheaper.
    Completely agree, a lot of reasons make Medellin more popular than Bogota, none of them being related to mongering. For pure mongering, Bogota's scene is way better. Also for non pro scene (and I mean real non pro) Bogota is a way better option due to it's size as girls can fulfill their adventure with a gringo fantasy without fearing to be spotted and judged. As Colombianas use to say: "pueblo chiquito, infierno grande".

  12. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    There are several reasons. First, the altitude. At 8500 feet above sea level, Bogota will be uncomfortable for most mongers, especially for short visits. Many people suffer from headaches, shortness of breath, dizziness, lack of energy, insomnia and a few other things. Medellin is at 4900 feet, which is low enough to alleviate most altitude sickness.

    The altitude also means a cooler climate. Night time temperatures drop into the low 40 range. Daytime temps are seldom above 72. During the rainy season it's unpleasantly cool. You will definitely need a jacket. Long sleeve shirts are also a good idea. Outside of Santa Fe you will rarely see anyone in short sleeves. Medellin is usually 75-85 day time and 60-65 night time. With low humidity it's comfortable year round.

    Next is size. Bogota is one of the largest cities in South America. Traffic is horrible and most mongers don't like to use the Transmilenio, which is often overcrowded to the point that defies belief. The Medellin Metro also is often overcrowded, but it's much better than the Transmilenio.

    Attitude is another area where Bogota falls short. People in Bogota always seem to be in a hurry. They seem a little more distant to me. People are friendlier in Medellin.

    Medellin is also cheaper, overall, than Bogota, although either city is a bargain by US standards.
    Thank you so much for the feedback.

    The altitude could be a huge factor and something I did not considered.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    There are several reasons. First, the altitude. At 8500 feet above sea level, Bogota will be uncomfortable for most mongers, especially for short visits. Many people suffer from headaches, shortness of breath, dizziness, lack of energy, insomnia and a few other things. Medellin is at 4900 feet, which is low enough to alleviate most altitude sickness.
    Completely agree. While I lucked out with the weather during my visit in June, the altitude was a problem. It wasn't as bad as Cuzco, but any physical activities including the one associated with this hobby, would inevitably lead to shortness of breath and sometimes diziness.

    However, not everyone will experience these issues, so I'd recommend to stay for at least a couple of nights and see how it goes. I actually liked the city and enjoyed doing some touristy things, too.

  14. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Psvrunner  [View Original Post]
    I have used the service several times. She explicitly states in the interview process not text messages or emails and everything is done over the voice. As you have found out, she does not speak English. If you use a translator for the initial interview, you will inevitably have problems when you are trying to set up a date because there is some back and forth communication that must be done over the phone.
    I was afraid this would prove undoable. Oh well.

    Thanks for the info!

  15. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by OldBelly69  [View Original Post]
    Wow, so glad that found this and thank you Routard for the report.

    I have posted this same question before but why Bogota isn't discussed much than Medellin as desperate of being a capital city?

    Is there a drop off in terms of general girl quality in between these two cities? Or just different in terms of what city has to offer?

    Literally, spent few weeks reading about Medellin but Bogota is way more convenient due to the direct flight option.

    Please feel free to share any opinions you might have.
    There are several reasons. First, the altitude. At 8500 feet above sea level, Bogota will be uncomfortable for most mongers, especially for short visits. Many people suffer from headaches, shortness of breath, dizziness, lack of energy, insomnia and a few other things. Medellin is at 4900 feet, which is low enough to alleviate most altitude sickness.

    The altitude also means a cooler climate. Night time temperatures drop into the low 40 range. Daytime temps are seldom above 72. During the rainy season it's unpleasantly cool. You will definitely need a jacket. Long sleeve shirts are also a good idea. Outside of Santa Fe you will rarely see anyone in short sleeves. Medellin is usually 75-85 day time and 60-65 night time. With low humidity it's comfortable year round.

    Next is size. Bogota is one of the largest cities in South America. Traffic is horrible and most mongers don't like to use the Transmilenio, which is often overcrowded to the point that defies belief. The Medellin Metro also is often overcrowded, but it's much better than the Transmilenio.

    Attitude is another area where Bogota falls short. People in Bogota always seem to be in a hurry. They seem a little more distant to me. People are friendlier in Medellin.

    Medellin is also cheaper, overall, than Bogota, although either city is a bargain by US standards.

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