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  1. #1875

    No you aren't.

    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    I'm right there with you on that subject.
    I mean he gave you a launching pad by way of yet another false analogy to vent a grievance you both seem to have, but there's no inconsistency in how frontline Covid workers are being treated. Last year they were typically required to wear masks because they help stop the spread of COVID. Now that vaccines have been proven to do the same that requirement is coming also. Don't let him drag you off topic.

  2. #1874

    Well

    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    I'm right there with you on that subject. The same people who were spitting on me, spilling drinks on me, trying to start fights with me, even throwing beer bottles at me in 1981 because I was wearing the uniform are the same people waving their flags and saying "thank you for your service" today.
    I doubt it. As a Navy nuke you were a special target in the 80's, but it was primarily religious pacifists and the like objecting to the arms race. Could we have a bit of embellishment with the spitting accounts? Wink. Sounds like a lift from the 60's. I traveled the US in sales from '80 to '86, exclusively military towns, mostly army, and never once witnessed such activity. The only nuke spot I went to was New London, CT, which was near our home office. The nukes were great guys and I made a lot of sales.

    Military men serve their country, and regardless of their motives, they still do it. This doesn't necessarily make them heroes. You erect a straw a man with that. They do however do things worthy of thanks. I do the same for cops on occasions, and firemen. Damn my mother for baking a pecan pie for the firemen that stopped our kitchen fire, as they put themselves in little danger, plus one or two might have been stealing from their bunkmates lockers. Wink. I thank Covid workers a lot, though some might be in it mostly for the money. Anyone who objects to these kinds of thanks is the one with a chip on their shoulder. Find a better cause.

  3. #1873

    P.s.

    Forgot a few.

    We have the best imperfect legal system in the world. We saw how far Trump and Rudy's soft coup got in the courts. Then comes the violent coup and the criminals are now being prosecuted. Like everyone else, all are allowed quick bail hearings, a vigorious defense, right to speedy trial, innocent until proven guilty standard, and jury of their peers trials if prison time is on the line. SWEET. Try that in Colombia or most of these other countries with the cheap pussy. Justice is served all day every day in our courts. Only the seeming failures, or more often, the slanted whinefests from right wingnut media get the most attention.

    There's plenty of excellent and useful information in our universities. They are of the world's finest. Most complaining about them have never attended one and are just parroting Faux News and the like. At my alma maters there were conservative and liberal profs in every department. This is the norm all over. Some have more of one than the other. For example business schools will have more conservative. History or English, more liberals. Students interested in learning hear both sides, talk to profs one on one which all love to do, do some of their own research and make up their own minds. Those just after the paper so they can get a job or satisfy their parents usually aren't listening in those classes anyway. They take notes to regurgitate. Plus more often are off in technology fields where politics and historical interpretations are much less of an issue. Plus there are conservative and liberal leaning schools in every state. You make the choice. People complaining about the evil professor boogeymen are typically opportunists scoring political points and morons who've never stepped foot in a college.

    Same thing with this whining about critical race theory which has been around for decades. Did Faux News ever tell you about the piccaninny tales? Of course they didn't. Look it up I'm not doing all the work. What about the black children asktrays, leaning on their backs eating watermelon? Like white people don't like watermelon? Yea so snuff out the cigarette in the kid's belly. Or the black house servent front lawn statues? You can find these on Ebay from time to time. Minstrel shows, blacks in servile roles pictured on food products, Fat black maids as cookie jars, etc. An aquaintance of mine showed me one the other day and she refused to acknowlege the evil in it. That's why we need critical theory. Shoving it all under the rug like Faux News and their followers want to do leaves the wound to fester. Bringing it out in the open to show it as the evil that it is gives us a chance to heal. It's our history, and this motifs have been tools of subjugation and still exist in our national consciousness, and by default, in our institutions. Banning the discussion is not only the exact wrong thing to do, but is ironic coming from people who so often whine about censorship.

    The media? Well we have two 24 hour news sources. One is to the left, the other to the right, though the later is the most extreme. The big three are more balanced. There are other sources, but you must gather from multiple to get at the truth. Newsmax and OANN are complete jokes, as is Fox for the most part, but that's the biggest part of the problem. So many only view right wingnut sources as they have believed Trump when he dismisses everything else as fake news. Yawns. But to conclude, the truth is always more complicated than buzz words and soundbites. The former though stirs more emotion and naturally draws more attention, and thus more votes for politicans and money for internet hacks, and of course grifters like Trump.

  4. #1872

    Well

    Quote Originally Posted by Spidy  [View Original Post]
    It is true, Chris Hedges, is very astute writer and political activist and well known for being left-winger and having leftist tendencies in his political views.

    Definitely a surprising post...interesting indeed!

    BTW, hardly "Stupid Shit in Medellin", but whatever.
    There's always been abuses, but only attention seeking propagandists make such inane sweeping statements. Banks offer a lot of good services and safety for our assets. Governments do a lot of good as well. In fact many running their mouths got their education through Pell Grants and student loans. Some that tore up the capital traveled and splurged on loans from the Cares Act. For every Cleflo Dollar, Joel Osteen, or Roman Catholic molestor priest there's 100 neighborhood pastors offering sound guidance and comfort during times of distress, and for little pay. For every Big Pharma drug gone bad there's 100 more that improve living, like PPIs and Viagra, and others that save lives like beta blockers, and more recently Regeneron. For every incompetent doctor there's many more offering great care. A team of four back in 2018 saved my sight in one eye with daily monitoring and compassionate, highly competent care. I've experienced the same with a surgery, an invasive throat procedure, and very recentily an amazing young female DO cured my chronic heel pain.

    So the moral of the story is this, when you find yourself agreeing with obsessive "Stupid Shit" posters like Marquis de Twat and JustTK, who might even be the same person, give it some more thought. And yes, that post did belong in "stupid shit. " Whether left, right, or center, was just the words of another internet shock jock trying to make $ stirring the pot with illogical sweeping assertions.

  5. #1871

    Agreed

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTK  [View Original Post]
    "We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the press destroys information, religion destroys morals, and our banks destroy the economy. " ― Chris Hedges.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1  [View Original Post]
    Chris Hedges is a very intelligent writer.
    It is true, Chris Hedges, is very astute writer and political activist and well known for being left-winger and having leftist tendencies in his political views.

    Definitely a surprising post...interesting indeed!

    BTW, hardly "Stupid Shit in Medellin", but whatever.

  6. #1870
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    True. There used to be something called redlining in the USA where when Black people thought they were free to buy houses anywhere they wanted, there were certain White people that exercised the freedom to halt their attempt. And there were other cases where some would just come burn them out if nothing else worked.
    There was also something called blockbusting. A black family would buy a house in a white neighborhood through a third party. Once the neighbors realized they had black neighbors suddenly several houses would be up for sale.

    And you're absolutely right. As I said, the consequences aren't always equitably applied.

  7. #1869
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    So if you worked at Enron and Ken Lay told you to put 20% in your 401 K...Or you were on Apollo 13 and the engineers said all systems go...
    Apples and oranges.

    If I'm playing poker and the guy sitting next to me tells me I should go all in, I'm not sure he's got my best interest in mind. If my boss starts telling me I need to dump all my money into company stock, I'm looking for a new job. He wasn't hired to administer employee retirement plans.

    On Apollo 13, yes. Because all systems were go. Then shit went sideways.

    On health matters I talk to my doctors, I do my research and I try to make an informed decision. Have I been doing it wrong? Because if you believe I should get all my medical advice from someone who has demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge or even sanity (remember the UV light and disinfectant insanity?) on the subject, I'm going to have to give it a pass.

  8. #1868

    Speaking of "experts"

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    True. There used to be something called redlining in the USA where when Black people thought they were free to buy houses anywhere they wanted, there were certain White people that exercised the freedom to halt their attempt. And there were other cases where some would just come burn them out if nothing else worked.
    You are an expert in logical fallacies, literally covering the whole gamet on a weekly basis, and that's a conservative estimate. This time it's a fake analogy. White over black, demonstrated racial injustices have nothing to do with this. Yes we will insist on vaccines, and in some cases masks to protect society from the SARS-2 that couldn't care less what your race or politics is. That's just as we forced hospitalized TB patients in the past with SCOTUS approval, and have mandated vaccines for other serious illnesses. Hell I remember having to eat the Polio vaccine sugarcubes at school. No one complained, yet Newsmax and Tucker weren't around, nor any all varieties right wingnut blogs for anyone with $50 for a smartphone to read. Yet you want to compare this to Jim Crow and lynchings. Give me a fucking break. I know you want to be a black conservative but you need to get much better at it. Right now you are just one step up from those Appalacian dipshits that tore up the Capital.

  9. #1867
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!
    I'm right there with you on that subject. The same people who were spitting on me, spilling drinks on me, trying to start fights with me, even throwing beer bottles at me in 1981 because I was wearing the uniform are the same people waving their flags and saying "thank you for your service" today. And the same people who were standing on overpasses with signs saying "thank you truckers" are flipping off and screaming at truckers today.

    I've never understood the whole hero worship crap. All the people who say that everyone in the military is a hero never spent any time in the military. You know as well as I that you were more likely to have your shit stolen by a shipmate than by anyone else. Same thing goes for any other occupation. All cops aren't saints, all nurses aren't Florence Nightingale.

  10. #1866

    Lolol

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    So if you worked at Enron and Ken Lay told you to put 20% in your 401 K...Or you were on Apollo 13 and the engineers said all systems go...
    What the hell does this have to do with the price of fish oil in Thailand? The data is in. Vaccinations reduce infections and contagion and thus spread. You don't even need "experts," but only a break from fake right wingnut media. Be a human being rather than a selfish twit and get one. It won't hurt too much. I promise.

  11. #1865

    Well

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!
    There's no end to your faulty reasoning, this time creating a fake distinction followed by a question which is a fake dilemma. Essential workers were typically required by governments or private employers to wear masks, as the same were proven to slow the spread of a deadly and destructive virus. And now that the vaccines are proven to do likewise, the same applies. Really simple, but you are a selfish crybaby, promoting nonsense that is costing lives, that doesn't deserve to feed your family, but hopefully someone else will.

  12. #1864
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    Most people don't understand freedom. What they want instead of freedom, which you already have, is freedom from consequences. Anything you can imagine you have the freedom to attempt. However, others and society have the freedom to halt your attempt, or impose consequences. The consequences are often not equitably applied, but they are there.
    True. There used to be something called redlining in the USA where when Black people thought they were free to buy houses anywhere they wanted, there were certain White people that exercised the freedom to halt their attempt. And there were other cases where some would just come burn them out if nothing else worked.

  13. #1863
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    If the advice of someone who knows absolutely nothing about a subject runs contrary to the advice of all the experts on the subject, it doesn't seem difficult to decide which path to take. If all the experts on the subject give advice, do you wait to find out if the person who knows nothing on the subject agrees, before making a decision?
    So if you worked at Enron and Ken Lay told you to put 20% in your 401 K...Or you were on Apollo 13 and the engineers said all systems go...

  14. #1862
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    Maybe there were some drastic changes between when I served and when you served. When I was in boot camp. They didn't ask me how I wanted my hair cut, didn't ask what style of uniforms I wanted to wear and didn't ask which vaccines I wanted. They didn't even tell me which vaccines I was receiving. They also didn't ask if my wisdom teeth were causing me any problem. They just told me they were going to remove them. So the idea that members of the military should be allowed to make decisions about vaccines is completely foreign to me.

    When you swear the oath, you hand your balls to the government, knowing they are under no obligation to return them.
    I was saying that the general public will give you accolades for serving in the military then on the other hand those same people will tell those same veterans they are not shit if they don't want to get the vaccine. Which is it? Am I the best ever, or am I a piece of shit? Or does it just depend on which side of the issue I stand on at the moment? Same as everyone was labeled heros and essential workers this time last year. Now if those same people don't want the vaccine they don't even deserve to feed their families; fired!

  15. #1861

    In plain view

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTK  [View Original Post]
    So I think first we need to understand well what freedom we are talking about.
    Nice discourse LOL. But here, it's quite plain to see what we're talking about. That would be the freedom to choose whether to be vaccinated against COVID or not. That's what we're talking about. In case anybody didn't know.

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