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  1. #4375
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    I'm pretty sure the US is going to take the same extreme action they took when Uruguay elected a former leftist rebel as President. And Colombia will probably experience the same total collapse as Uruguay under Mujica.
    Will that affect our 'entertainment'?

  2. #4374
    Quote Originally Posted by Villainy  [View Original Post]
    Seriously? You think a leftist like Petro who believes in alleviating poverty and corruption in Colombia is "like" a military propped up dictator who believes in lining his own pockets and the rest of the population of Venezuela be damned. I don't think they are even remotely similar.
    I didn't think it made a difference to the US. I thought that the US (CIA and FBI) hated all leftists. I am continually learning in politics.

  3. #4373
    Quote Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor  [View Original Post]
    You are sooooo neutral, LOL.
    I'm old enough to have voted in 11 US Presidential elections. Before and after every election I've listened to people from both sides tell about the golden age coming if their candidate won and the total inevitable total collapse if the other guy won.

    About the only noticeable change is the picture hanging in government offices. No golden age, no collapse, just minor changes that do almost nothing except get people to complain about how the nothing that happened under a previous President was much better or worse than the nothing happening under the current President.

    The Colombian government, like most governments is a slow moving beast that doesn't like to change direction. It plods along no matter who holds the reins. Sometimes it shits on one side of the road, sometimes on the other, and occasionally right in the middle. The only guarantee is that everyone following the government is going to have to deal with some shit.

  4. #4372
    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLight  [View Original Post]
    Bernie Sander is also Socialist. Socialist doesn't equal to anti-America. And after October Brazil election, almost entire Latin America will have lefty government in office. Is US going to sanction them all?
    I'm pretty sure the US is going to take the same extreme action they took when Uruguay elected a former leftist rebel as President. And Colombia will probably experience the same total collapse as Uruguay under Mujica.

  5. #4371
    Quote Originally Posted by Gabacho  [View Original Post]
    Well I don't think Colombia will ever be like Venezuela.
    If Petro does to Colombia's oil industry what Hugo Chavez did to Venezuela, then it will be Venezuela 4. 0 All over again.

    Enjoy it while you still can.

  6. #4370

    Triggered by Jan 6?

    Quote Originally Posted by GeneHickman  [View Original Post]
    Some serious lack of objectivity here. Jan 6th was a storm in a teacup. A magnifying glass bein put on it to meet political ends. So transparent to any neutral observer. Colombia has a history of guerilla warfare and drugs and criminal gangs. Leftists may want to share the pie, but the history of Latin America is that there isn't much of a pie to share once they get in. Capital flees, no one invests there, US aid $13 B since 2002 will dry up, and if he implements any of his loonie policies, the peso will plummet and inflation will soar. Not a good recipe to encourage tourism or any other industry. Over 1/2 of Colombian forex comes from Oil / gas, how exactly is that going to be replaced? China might be the big winner here, as this new leader may gravitate that way. Will be interesting. The one good thing is that they too have a congress branch of gov't and that will temper many of Petro excesses.
    You are sooooo neutral, LOL.

  7. #4369
    Quote Originally Posted by JustTK  [View Original Post]
    The vice president is a black woman too. Not some rich privileged bltch, but a representative of the people. She could also affect life on the streets a lot. Poverty, women's roles. Interesting times. I just hope it all works out well for the poor people here. They have needed this change for decades.
    This change has been coming along though and I think Colombia is on the right path towards prosperity as a country. A lot of it has been actually getting in leaders that realized that if they weren't corrupt, they could actually bring a lot of good to the people. From my very superficial view of their politics, I'm happy Petro won because of his choice in vice presidents. Both candidates chose Afro-Latina women, but Petro chose an activist, someone who has a history in politics. His opponent asked for resumes and picked a professor that has never been in politics, a very odd choice.

    As for the metro conversation, I spent a good amount of time on it and didn't have too much of a problem with it. The residents of Medellin take a lot of pride in it and it shows. It's just too fucking crowded at times and that's from someone coming from NYC. Getting out of El Centro any time between 5 PM - 7 PM was a nightmare. After spending time in a hotel in LA 70 and one in Poblado, staying in the Nutti made more sense for me given how much I enjoyed El Centro. I'm leaning towards just staying there when I go back next month.

    Anyone know if the construction is still going on in Parque Lleras? Or when it's expected to be completed?

    And Osteo, my last comment about phones was that if you're using an eSIM, you can't move that eSIM between phones easily for most providers. A physical SIM can bounce around phones with ease. It's generally not a problem for travelling I expect to run into for travelling.

  8. #4368
    Quote Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor  [View Original Post]
    The ruling class in Columbia is very corrupt and there is extreme wealth inequality. This likely will lead to increased stability over the long term, improve conditions for the poor and reduce crime. Columbia has a history of political violence and there have been large protests that got violent recently. The people are sick of it and that why the leftist won. The other candidate was part of the status quo. And the new guy was the mayor of Bogota and I believe there is still some mongering going on there. So hopefully this will prevent political violence like we have here in the US (Jan 6).
    Some serious lack of objectivity here. Jan 6th was a storm in a teacup. A magnifying glass bein put on it to meet political ends. So transparent to any neutral observer. Colombia has a history of guerilla warfare and drugs and criminal gangs. Leftists may want to share the pie, but the history of Latin America is that there isn't much of a pie to share once they get in. Capital flees, no one invests there, US aid $13 B since 2002 will dry up, and if he implements any of his loonie policies, the peso will plummet and inflation will soar. Not a good recipe to encourage tourism or any other industry. Over 1/2 of Colombian forex comes from Oil / gas, how exactly is that going to be replaced? China might be the big winner here, as this new leader may gravitate that way. Will be interesting. The one good thing is that they too have a congress branch of gov't and that will temper many of Petro excesses.

  9. #4367

    Well

    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    Colombia now has a socialist president like Venezuela. Is the US now going to sanction Colombia? What's going to happen to the economy of Colombia?
    How about visit Colombia sometime? There's next to know evidence that you've ever been.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhZ...rWGLvr1WlsRzkC

  10. #4366

    ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ColombiaLover  [View Original Post]
    Do we really believe these leftists have integrity?
    Do you really believe these "rightists" have integrity? Pick a side. Wink.

  11. #4365

    Uhh

    Quote Originally Posted by ColombiaLover  [View Original Post]
    Do we really believe these leftists have integrity? I don't see leftists / socialists really doing anything for the people, while at the same time damaging any progress made on capitalism. I feel for the Colombian people, I really do. At lest with Obama, the poor bought into (and some received) free Obama cell phones! Jejejeje.
    Nice myth though it has gained a lot of mileage. Lifeline phone subsides started under the Reagan administration. Jejejeje Wink.

    https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline...come-consumers

  12. #4364
    Petro won by a sliver. As I wrote earlier, he is said to have been funded heavily by narcos and right wing interests. During his victory speech tonight he swiftly moved to the center while pandering to the poor masses: "we support capitalism," "we will grow the economy to distribute it," "no more violence."

    Quote Originally Posted by AmorPorFavor  [View Original Post]
    The ruling class in Columbia is very corrupt and there is extreme wealth inequality. This likely will lead to increased stability over the long term, improve conditions for the poor and reduce crime. Columbia has a history of political violence and there have been large protests that got violent recently. The people are sick of it and that why the leftist won. The other candidate was part of the status quo. And the new guy was the mayor of Bogota and I believe there is still some mongering going on there. So hopefully this will prevent political violence like we have here in the US (Jan 6).

  13. #4363

    Exactly

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTK  [View Original Post]
    The vice president is a black woman too. Not some rich privileged bltch, but a representative of the people. She could also affect life on the streets a lot. Poverty, women's roles. Interesting times. I just hope it all works out well for the poor people here. They have needed this change for decades.
    The ruling class in Columbia is very corrupt and there is extreme wealth inequality. This likely will lead to increased stability over the long term, improve conditions for the poor and reduce crime. Columbia has a history of political violence and there have been large protests that got violent recently. The people are sick of it and that why the leftist won. The other candidate was part of the status quo. And the new guy was the mayor of Bogota and I believe there is still some mongering going on there. So hopefully this will prevent political violence like we have here in the US (Jan 6).

  14. #4362
    Petro's campaign is rumored to have been heavily funded by narcos. That is not unusual for Colombian politicians at every level.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTK  [View Original Post]
    The vice president is a black woman too. Not some rich privileged bltch, but a representative of the people. She could also affect life on the streets a lot. Poverty, women's roles. Interesting times. I just hope it all works out well for the poor people here. They have needed this change for decades.

  15. #4361

    They are completely different!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabacho  [View Original Post]
    Well I don't think Colombia will ever be like Venezuela. There's a big difference between a left leaning socialist and a criminal dictator. As far as exchange rates go I'm hoping if he raises taxes and scares away foreign investment it will put the exchange rate more favorable for us. I don't think things will change much on the ground tho. Mxico hasn't changed much since AMLO was elected except for taking cartoon characters of of cereal boxes LOL.
    Colombia is the 2nd oldest democracy in the western hemisphere.

    Colombia remains the longest-standing democracy in Latin America, and its constitution was inspired by the democratic principles of the US Constitution. There is no comparison with Venezuela. Petro isn't the last dictator's bus driver who claims the dead dictator can talk to him. He's just a left of center candidate--like, clearly, the majority in Colombia are.

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