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  1. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie69  [View Original Post]
    After her "is it a problem?" message, you should have just agreed to meet her for lunch where she wanted and then gone to McDonald's for lunch. While biting into your DOuble McCheese, you would have started to get her desperate and then angry messages.
    This a normal thing in Kiev the girls get a percentage from the restaurant and bars. I have talked about this many times, but the guys that use to write about how great Kiev is, some how they claim this is not an issue. The new guys posts are great and honest. The old timer panted a different picture of Kiev, that was just not true. Another example of a reason not to go to Kiev.

  2. #158

    Nooooo

    Please, the first meeting is one drink at 8 or 9 PM in the evening, too late for dinner, and early enough to head to your place if you hit it off or she is a (semi) pro. AIf, after one drink, things seem okay, buy another round. Make sure YOU order the drinks, and pay each drink immediately after you get it (just in case you have to leave suddenly, you tell the waiter / bartender). After 3-5 drinks, either close the deal and head to your place or, if she is really a nice girl, agree to meet for a walk in the park the next day.

    I had good experiences with some nice girls, really marriage material girls, who are so concerned with being categorized as gold-diggers that they refuse to accept anything! After 2 hours of conversation, I have to nearly force them one girl to let me buy her a coffee, and another one to accept 75 UAH for her trip back to her city.

    Quote Originally Posted by SFNative  [View Original Post]
    Had some dates on Tinder I met a lady here for dinner. Polyuvannya Na Ovets it's like an Asian / steak restaurant. Yup you guessed it 5 star. Had to take an Uber there of course. I liked the lady plus wanted to see a different part of Kiev. I guess it was old Kiev.

    I notice a lot of these ladies on Tinder they want to go to Avalon for drinks. I might have to check that place out? Is it good place?

  3. #157

    Just go along with it.

    After her "is it a problem?" message, you should have just agreed to meet her for lunch where she wanted and then gone to McDonald's for lunch. While biting into your DOuble McCheese, you would have started to get her desperate and then angry messages.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawMan74  [View Original Post]
    Ok so there is a little anecdote off of tinder that can be used as a shareable moment, or even a teachable one.

    So I matched with girl, we sent text, and before long that became chit chat through the day. This led to an agreement to meet over lunch. Here's where it goes to shit. She wants me to take her to this place, basically insists on it - https://g.co/kgs/4Uppdj that's right, the jerk wanted me to take her to a 5 star restaurant on the water for our first meeting! Are you fucking kidding me!? But I'm willing to spot that there may be a culture gap and I don't want to insinuate intent across text so I tactfully reply, well, here's the chatlog:

    Me: its a little more than what I wanted for lunch. It is also a little far down the way.
    Me: can you meet me a little closer to independence square / maiden maybe?
    Kristina: Take taxi.
    Kristina: It's problem?
    Me: not a problem, just a little uncomfortable to go that far for lunch. Is it a problem for me to pick a restaurant a little closer to independence square area?
    Kristina: Well, since I give a piece of myself and this is a problem for you, I don't think that we need to meet at all.
    Me: Wow. If this is a reflection of who you really are as a person, then I am glad we did not meet.

    Ok totally duplicitous, dodged a bullet there, WHEW! But on a different level of thinking it makes me wonder what kind of a miserable bastard she must be on the inside, to think in that manipulative way. To approach a social site designed to meet new people with the conniving mindset to gain what? A lunch. Really?? She is then the same kind of person who throws her hands up to the sky and says "hasa diga eebowai" (look it up) when she finally has a moment of clarity, and looks around her to find that her life has become nothing but a sad sack of shit. For this kind of toxic person life is not too short, on the contrary, it is almost entirely too long. And I hope she lives forever hahaha.

  4. #156

    So, everyone?

    "Professional or otherwise". So, every man who is not in a relationship and 100% faithful?

    Quote Originally Posted by Riina  [View Original Post]
    According to Urban Dictionary. A person who is actively researching and on the prowl for sexual intercourse with a professional or otherwise. This mostly happens away from home in a foreign Country or City, but can happen right in your own town..

    I prefer the word hobbyist.

  5. #155
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    No, Natty, not one word of what you wrote is a "quote" from my post. I didn't excuse China from anything. And I didn't say their lying about it was Trump's fault.

    BTW, you are welcome to visit the American Politics room any time to grandly refute anything I've written that you seem to think is not based on fact.
    Biggest screw up with China was after SARS not shutting down the wet markets. Their existence exponentially increased the risk of transmission of virus's from animals to humans. That is unforgivable and they have to accept responsibility.

    When the virus was first recognized by a doctor in Wuhan they silenced him. Their explanation was that he was unnecessarily creating panic, thinking or just hoping he was wrong and it would go away. He was right, they were wrong.

    It took off and spread outside China.

    From there it came down to how different countries dealt with what was a seriously contagious pandemic. Some, New Zealand, South Korea, Taiwan, Germany and Thailand to mention some recognized the danger and took measures to contain it, some didn't until it was too late the UK, and the US being among those that delayed and are now paying a high price in lives lost.

    To blame China for how it started and why it wasn't contained is justified. To blame China for the failures of other countries to take it seriously is not justified. They had choices and made the wrong ones.

    Let's be real. The current China bashing is mostly political particularly where there are pending elections.

    Finding an enemy to fear is tried and tested from the Jews in Hitler's Germany to disease invested hoards of rapist immigrants in Trump's Americas. Sadly it works. Too many want to point the finger rather than look in the mirror.

    On China's growing influence, it's real. One can argue the merits of accepting their aid but there will be consequences when payment comes due.

    Trying to find countries to visit which are not in one way or another not already under this influence is going to get harder and harder.

  6. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    Huh? I am quoting directly from the 3rd paragraph in the post you made this very morning.
    No, Natty, not one word of what you wrote is a "quote" from my post. I didn't excuse China from anything. And I didn't say their lying about it was Trump's fault.

    BTW, you are welcome to visit the American Politics room any time to grandly refute anything I've written that you seem to think is not based on fact.

  7. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    You know I didn't write any such thing, Natty. Please stop lying about what I post. Adults shouldn't need to do that to make their point.
    Huh? I am quoting directly from the 3rd paragraph in the post you made this very morning. Did you not post this:

    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I would argue Trump's lies about it in his position as POTUS were ultimately more damaging to more countries around the world and certainly to the USA than Xi's because, historically speaking at least, the rest of the world would be inclined to believe the USA would not stand by and allow lies to go unchallenged much less repeat and confirm lies coming out of China about something so potentially disastrous to so many. But, apparently, this time we did.

  8. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    EihTooms, we are trying to have a grown up discussion here. Aside from your usual blame everything on Trump psychosis, you now excuse the Chinese Communists from their crime of knowingly allowing the Wuhan virus out of China to infect Europe, Asia, and Africa and lying about it by claiming that, that was Trump's fault as well. 555. You are soooooooooo predictable. Go back to the rubber room ie the American Politics thread where you belong. You are embarrassing yourself.
    You know I didn't write any such thing, Natty. Please stop lying about what I post. Adults shouldn't need to do that to make their point.

  9. #151
    Quote Originally Posted by EihTooms  [View Original Post]
    I would argue Trump's lies about it in his position as POTUS were ultimately more damaging to more countries around the world and certainly to the USA than Xi's because, historically speaking at least, the rest of the world would be inclined to believe the USA would not stand by and allow lies to go unchallenged much less repeat and confirm lies coming out of China about something so potentially disastrous to so many. But, apparently, this time we did.
    EihTooms, we are trying to have a grown up discussion here. Aside from your usual blame everything on Trump psychosis, you now excuse the Chinese Communists from their crime of knowingly allowing the Wuhan virus out of China to infect Europe, Asia, and Africa and lying about it by claiming that, that was Trump's fault as well. 555. You are soooooooooo predictable. Go back to the rubber room ie the American Politics thread where you belong. You are embarrassing yourself.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by LittleBigMan  [View Original Post]
    That is your opinion but I strongly disagree. Your opinion " by the time the virus reached Europe and USA " yes it was contagious and dangerous but the point N.B. made and you quoted was China hid how contagious and dangerous the virus was and allow Chinese to travel abroad you stated " very cleared " which was incorrect even China told the W. H. O. That it wasn't which caused a lot of countries even the USA To underestimate the problem. January 25th of 2020 there was only one case of Virus being reported in the USA As I remember reading.

    Sure many countries underestimated and had no real idea or just not prepared to handle such a problem but the SOURCE OR LACK OF IT COMES FROM China!
    President of the United States, Donald Trump, was repeatedly told by his intelligence agencies in early January, all through the rest of January, all throughout February and into the first half of March about the true pandemic risks of the virus contrary to what China was trying to pawn off on the world about it.

    Therefore, anything he said about it after early January, such as, "It's one person coming in from China, It's going to be just fine, We've got it totally under control, This is their (the Democrats) new hoax, China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus, The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency, It will all work out well, In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!", and on and on and on was a confirmation of China's lies, known to be lies by the President of the United States, for the entire world to accept. That includes lying to you, me, Fauci, Pelosi, Biden, everyone on the planet who was not in on those classified meetings with Trump from early January on and privy to his Presidential Daily Briefings during that time.

    I would argue Trump's lies about it in his position as POTUS were ultimately more damaging to more countries around the world and certainly to the USA than Xi's because, historically speaking at least, the rest of the world would be inclined to believe the USA would not stand by and allow lies to go unchallenged much less repeat and confirm lies coming out of China about something so potentially disastrous to so many. But, apparently, this time we did.

    2 months in the dark: the increasingly damning timeline of Trump's coronavirus response.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ingly-damning/

    Early January: Intelligence officials begin offering ominous, classified warnings about the virus to Trump in the Presidents Daily Brief. The warnings will persist into February.

    Early January: In a report to the director of National Intelligence, a State Department epidemiologist warns that the virus is likely to spread across the globe and could result in a pandemic, and the Defense Intelligence Agencys National Center for Medical Intelligence comes to the same conclusion, per the New York Times.

  11. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Mogwai  [View Original Post]
    By the time the virus reached Europe and the USA it was already pretty clear that it was very contagious and dangerous, but despite that many governments underestimated it and reacted too slow. Just like China did in the first place.

    So China is not the only one to blame. China did not infect the world all by its own. The world infected itself.
    That is your opinion but I strongly disagree. Your opinion " by the time the virus reached Europe and USA " yes it was contagious and dangerous but the point N.B. made and you quoted was China hid how contagious and dangerous the virus was and allow Chinese to travel abroad you stated " very cleared " which was incorrect even China told the W. H. O. That it wasn't which caused a lot of countries even the USA To underestimate the problem. January 25th of 2020 there was only one case of Virus being reported in the USA As I remember reading.

    Sure many countries underestimated and had no real idea or just not prepared to handle such a problem but the SOURCE OR LACK OF IT COMES FROM China!

  12. #148

    The BS Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodwint2  [View Original Post]
    The Chinese Communist Party has used the Wuhan virus as the sneak attack that has hurt the United States (and the rest of the world) in a way more devious and cunning than the attack on Pearl Harbor. The US doesn't even acknowledge that a real state of war does now exist between the PRC and this country. The dead in the US is over 106,000 and counting from this CCP attack. Pearl Harbor was only 2,400+ dead and the World Trade Center was 2,977.

    From my college political science class I remember the professors telling us that in the economic battles that fail to resolve disputes, the next step is usually a military conflict, war in other words. With the ongoing dispute between the PRCs blatant theft of the intellectual property from the rest of the world and primarily the US, the Wuhan virus should be seen as an outright attack at the United States. The PRC's Politburo knows that a military conflict with the United States cannot be won by the PRC. Only by subterfuge and deceit can the PRC destroy the US ability to defend itself in the long run when its economy is left in shambles. Just remember, President Xi / Pooh wants to take over the world while he is alive and kicking!
    Can you and your friends take your thread to the BS thread? The Covid19 disaster in the West is due to mismanagement, mostly in the old folks' care homes. If you eat properly and live in a good area, you are at minimum risk. Your stupid attacks on China are a mirror image of attacks when Japan went ahead in the 1970's. The USA is not the centre of the world. The US built itself on industrial espionage and theft, in the mills and factories of Scotland to take but one example of many. They stole technology from Germany after both world wars.

    The other thing spreading Covid19 is the global supply chain of which you are a part. HIV in the USA and from the USA is a good precedent in that regard.

    Can you and your compatriots ease back a bit. Maybe go read The Ugly American and maybe ask your fellow Americans not to talk so loudly in public. Thais and others like to tone things down, to blend in, not to wear Hawaii shirts and roar for Big Macs. Capiche?

  13. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    The thing is I am very pissed off at the Chinese Communist Dictatorship. Let us not forget that they started this whole Pandemic crises through their lies, cover up, and most importantly the fact that they let their citizens travel outside of China after they knew there was a serious problem ie to infect the world.
    By the time the virus reached Europe and the USA it was already pretty clear that it was very contagious and dangerous, but despite that many governments underestimated it and reacted too slow. Just like China did in the first place.

    So China is not the only one to blame. China did not infect the world all by its own. The world infected itself.

  14. #146

    Not Possible and extremely dishonest statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    Correct about the most of the beautiful girls left the country 3-5 years ago. 600 Grv, will not work, unless you have not standards. $75-150 per session. Not cheap anymore and the hot girls are long gone. 6's are available, but not for little money, complete myth.
    "getting a beautiful well-mannered girl rated above 8 for 1500-2000 UAH an hour are definitely higher than 50%. " This statement is completely wrong, false and delusional. It is not possible to have multiple hot girls in Kiev. These guys that claim the Kiev is this great place, leave out some many details out in there reports and forget to mention the time, energy, and money they put in there hobby. Nothing wrong with this, but be honest about it. There are very few 7-8's in Kiev especially to foreign guys and newbie. It has been like this for years, it is just a not new problem. If you find one you will be paying more the $150-300 range, even now. This pollster continues to make these ridiculous claims, how easy it is. It is simply not possible in any country, unless you get extremely lucky, to get High End girls and this price. He and his bodies continues to ignore the issues that are negative about Ukraine. He jokes about the scams and thinks it funny, far from that, when people get ripped off, big time on daily basis, but they forget to mention this.

    I ask myself why would want to go to a place were it is one big scam. Restaurants are empty most of time, fake profiles,(are the norm, not the exception), night life does not exist (this was before the crisis, it will be even worse now) Scams are everywhere, Restaurants, Bars, Stores and agencies.

    Just do a little research on google and you will just see how bad it is. People are fleeing the country in bus loads, because no opportunities, everyone is lying or trying to rip you off in one form of another.

    That being said it might be slightly better for a few months while girls regroup, from living abroad, save there money, and prepare leave the country for better life. Yes leave the country, time for guys to address some of the real issues in Kiev, but that would be to easy and require some honesty.

  15. #145

    Hot War, not Cold War

    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    I agree with both of you guys. In fact I was talking about this 10 days ago, maybe longer. The thing is I am very pissed off at the Chinese Communist Dictatorship. Let us not forget that they started this whole Pandemic crises through their lies, cover up, and most importantly the fact that they let their citizens travel outside of China after they knew there was a serious problem ie to infect the world. In addition, they have built offensive military bases on man made islands in international waters of the South China Sea, and as we speak are clamping down once and for all on the freedoms of Hong Kong in violation to a treaty they signed, are currently threatening military action against India & always threaten the existence of Taiwan, and let us not forget about their continuing unfair trade practices and intellectual property theft.

    The bottom line is the world is already in a new Cold War with China whether we recognize it or not, but thanks to the pandemic, I think the world is finally waking up to these fact and nations like Thailand and the PI are going to have to choose which side they want to line up with. Maybe Thailand has already decided. I am not sure on that. But, I know every country, every citizen of the world is going to have to choose. I have made my choice. I won't buy Chinese manufactured products any longer if I can help it and here is a small trivial example: the other day I was shopping online for a pair of lightweight jeans from one of my favorite designers. The jeans were listed at 50% off. I was about to make the purchase until I noticed a review that said the product was manufactured in China and I did not make the purchase. My point being that on a much larger aggregate basis nations are going to have to decide where they import manufactured products from too.

    So yeah, Thailand is a sovereign nation and can do what it likes in regards to the Chinese. It is a complex problem and may very well involve some economic pain in the beginning. I sincerely hope they make the right choice because I really like Thailand and the Thai people. but as I voiced this opinion before and I repeat it now: because of China's critical role in causing the world wide Pandemic and the fact that it is still lying about it; I will be personally insulted if the Thai Government were to let Chinese Nationals back into Thailand ahead of Americans, Europeans and Australians. So insulted that I might very well decide to boycott Thailand for my next few trips. There are plenty of other countries that I have not been to in quite a long time with pretty girls, nice beaches, and good food and where I can spend my hard earned money. Now maybe Thailand doesn't care about that. Fair enough, but they are still going to have to decide which side they want to be on in this new Cold War. I have a feeling they will eventually figure it out if they have not already, that Communist China is not their friend and more importantly can't be trusted. At least I hope so.
    The Chinese Communist Party has used the Wuhan virus as the sneak attack that has hurt the United States (and the rest of the world) in a way more devious and cunning than the attack on Pearl Harbor. The US doesn't even acknowledge that a real state of war does now exist between the PRC and this country. The dead in the US is over 106,000 and counting from this CCP attack. Pearl Harbor was only 2,400+ dead and the World Trade Center was 2,977.

    From my college political science class I remember the professors telling us that in the economic battles that fail to resolve disputes, the next step is usually a military conflict, war in other words. With the ongoing dispute between the PRCs blatant theft of the intellectual property from the rest of the world and primarily the US, the Wuhan virus should be seen as an outright attack at the United States. The PRC's Politburo knows that a military conflict with the United States cannot be won by the PRC. Only by subterfuge and deceit can the PRC destroy the US ability to defend itself in the long run when its economy is left in shambles. Just remember, President Xi / Pooh wants to take over the world while he is alive and kicking!

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