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  1. #2715
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]
    Really? That's your save? Dude, you've got to work on your wiggling skills.

    I don't know what's more pathetic for a propagandist: this or not knowing where a major enemy city is located.

    Oh well, keep hiding your glaring incompetence behind your big words and scary facades. We don't mind, as long as your glamorous army is doing the same thing.
    It's not my fault that you're failing at reading comprehension. Grasping at straws. Scraping the bottom of the barrel. I do understand though.

    P.S. Ukraine is winning.

  2. #2714
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong. My predictions are before everyone:

    The Russians will annex 4 more Oblasts (in addition to the 4 current annexed ones + Crimea)...
    I wish there were a way to bet some money in this forum on potential outcomes.

  3. #2713
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]

    For the record, I believe that a civilized army shouldn't enlist convicted murderers. .
    So, we can agree that the RF army an AFU are the same in this regard.

  4. #2712

    Umm, computer says no.

    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    My prediction is that Russia will annex at least 2 more, perhaps a maximum of 4 more Oblasts which means everything east of the Dniper (Odessa included).
    Quote Originally Posted by ReinerOtto  [View Original Post]
    Excuse me, you have any idea, where Odessa is located?

    This is an indication, that you have no personal connection or knowledge about UA.
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]
    Hey, Reiner owned you just now, so let's see how you're going to wiggle out of that predicament.
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    I know where Odessa is located. That's why I said everything east of the Dniper AND including Odessa which is west.
    Really? That's your save? Dude, you've got to work on your wiggling skills.

    I don't know what's more pathetic for a propagandist: this or not knowing where a major enemy city is located.

    Oh well, keep hiding your glaring incompetence behind your big words and scary facades. We don't mind, as long as your glamorous army is doing the same thing.

  5. #2711
    Quote Originally Posted by ReinerOtto  [View Original Post]
    Very doubtful. Will need re-taking Cherson, which then is hard to hold because being on the Western side of the Dnepr, taking Mykolaiv and crossing the Bug river, adding about 200 km frontline on the.

    Land and even more on the seaside. But, may be the Orcs, stationed already in PMR, might give it a try. But not so many of them in PMR, and supply very difficult.

    BTW, "historically Russian" can be used also also for taking Mykolaiv etc.

    But this argument is bull. , because then it is high time for Germany to build atomic weapons, and re-take large parts of Poland, the Baltics and Kaliningrad, of course.
    Only time will tell who is right and who is wrong. My predictions are before everyone:

    The Russians will annex 4 more Oblasts (in addition to the 4 current annexed ones + Crimea).

    That is, unless Ukraine sues for peace and accepts the current terms that Putin offered a few days ago, or there is a collapse and you get some sort of ceasefire. The longer this goes on, the more difficult it will get for Ukraine.

    Note that at Istanbul 2022, Russia had not annexed Zaporizhya and Kherson. There was no land bridge from Crimea to mainland Russia. Now there is. Russia will never give that up.

  6. #2710
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    everything east of the Dniper AND including Odessa which is west
    Very doubtful. Will need re-taking Cherson, which then is hard to hold because being on the Western side of the Dnepr, taking Mykolaiv and crossing the Bug river, adding about 200 km frontline on the.

    Land and even more on the seaside. But, may be the Orcs, stationed already in PMR, might give it a try. But not so many of them in PMR, and supply very difficult.

    BTW, "historically Russian" can be used also also for taking Mykolaiv etc.

    But this argument is bull. , because then it is high time for Germany to build atomic weapons, and re-take large parts of Poland, the Baltics and Kaliningrad, of course.

  7. #2709
    Quote Originally Posted by Questner  [View Original Post]
    We have to bring a couple of chessboards to discuss it. At the moment the current president of the RF does not want to go further, does not have a mandate to do so, and did not stated otherwise publicly. So far he has been very cautious and has chosen to pay risk premium on timeline. This is a risky strategy but it allows to save lives and methodically increase the army capability and numbers at the front and in reserve since this is a conflict between the US and the RF already where the US and NATO countries finance and arm the bankrupt Ukraine, and Russians fight each other on both sides.

    Also, there is no point to end the conflict in animosity. There are multiple ways how to de facto control the territory and the legal agreements play a secondary role.

    I don't know how the cards are going to fall but I am pessimistic on the outcome. The Ukrainian government won't sign anything and the intervention of the NATO will end in a disaster and a nuclear conflict. The army is back to old proven military codes not only in engineering on a battlefield.

    There is a couple of characteristics that show up time to time in Ukraine: 1) Asinine obstinance as opposed to perseverance 2) Always choosing 'loose-loose' over 'win-win' 3) Biting an apple you don't want to eat.

    As for specific regions: the game on the chessboard should make sense. For example, from the military POV Odessa region should be one of the last to be taken, however it would mean that Kiev already had been taken and then the fighting might be over. So, in my view, there are only few options on the table, or a friendly Ukrainian state side by side or no state at all. I prefer the last one but I am afraid I would see none of the two options.
    NATO will not intervene. They just want to make Russia bleed using Ukrainians as cannon fodder. This is a battle of attrition. The Russians are slowly destroying AFU and taking territory. They can replace the manpower, Ukraine soon won't be able to. They will keep taking territory until Ukraine either collapses or you reach a point where both sides just stop shooting (an ugly peace like North and South Korea).

    The longer this goes on, the more territory Russia will take. I stand by what I said. Russia will most likely take 2 more 4 more Oblasts in addition to the 4 they have annexed (plus Crimea of course). Putin has no interest in western Ukraine where he will face enormous resistance and where there are mostly ethnic Ukrainians.

  8. #2708
    Quote Originally Posted by VinDici  [View Original Post]
    You conveniently ignore facts, and equivocate things without context. Russia is the aggressor, they are invading, them using prison labour isn't the same as Ukraine using it to save their country from a bloodthirsty dictatorship.
    I was just pointing out that Ukraine is doing the same thing that Russia is doing and exposing the lies by Xpartan.

  9. #2707
    Quote Originally Posted by VinDici  [View Original Post]
    He will not be able to take Kharkiv or Odessa. I'm interested to hear your explanation on how to agree a deal with a party that has reneged on everything so far.
    There won't be a deal. What we will get is an ugly peace, a frozen conflict. There are examples of that all over the world. North Korea and South Korea. They never signed a peace deal, did they? You have a DMZ. Cyprus. The Turks took what they could and have kept it. Aren't you familiar with what happened to Georgia after 2008? There are 2 autonomous republics there.

    Ukraine will get carved up and become a dysfunctional rump state. The Russians will keep on taking territory until Ukraine either collapses or they take enough territory, and the shooting just stops. The 2 sides have positions that are irreconcilable so you can't really square that circle.

  10. #2706
    Quote Originally Posted by ReinerOtto  [View Original Post]
    Excuse me, you have any idea, where Odessa is located?

    This is an indication, that you have no personal connection or knowledge about UA.

    In opposition to me, BTW. You can check my old posts.
    I know where Odessa is located. That's why I said everything east of the Dniper AND including Odessa which is west, and historically a Russian city.

  11. #2705
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    The longer this goes on, the more territory the Russians will take. My prediction is that Russia will annex at least 2 more, perhaps a maximum of 4 more Oblasts which means everything east of the Dniper (Odessa included). And the longer this goes on, the more of Ukraine will get wrecked by Russia. Time is not on Ukraine's side, neither is the manpower factor (the most important here).
    We have to bring a couple of chessboards to discuss it. At the moment the current president of the RF does not want to go further, does not have a mandate to do so, and did not stated otherwise publicly. So far he has been very cautious and has chosen to pay risk premium on timeline. This is a risky strategy but it allows to save lives and methodically increase the army capability and numbers at the front and in reserve since this is a conflict between the US and the RF already where the US and NATO countries finance and arm the bankrupt Ukraine, and Russians fight each other on both sides.

    Also, there is no point to end the conflict in animosity. There are multiple ways how to de facto control the territory and the legal agreements play a secondary role.

    I don't know how the cards are going to fall but I am pessimistic on the outcome. The Ukrainian government won't sign anything and the intervention of the NATO will end in a disaster and a nuclear conflict. The army is back to old proven military codes not only in engineering on a battlefield.

    There is a couple of characteristics that show up time to time in Ukraine: 1) Asinine obstinance as opposed to perseverance 2) Always choosing 'loose-loose' over 'win-win' 3) Biting an apple you don't want to eat.

    As for specific regions: the game on the chessboard should make sense. For example, from the military POV Odessa region should be one of the last to be taken, however it would mean that Kiev already had been taken and then the fighting might be over. So, in my view, there are only few options on the table, or a friendly Ukrainian state side by side or no state at all. I prefer the last one but I am afraid I would see none of the two options.

  12. #2704
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    It's so easy to own you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...-shortage-war/

    KYIV To fill a critical shortage of infantry on the front line, Ukraine has embraced one of Russia's most cynical tactics: releasing convicted even violent felons who agree to fight in high-risk assault brigades.

    More than 2,750 men have been released from Ukrainian prisons since the parliament adopted a law in May authorizing certain convicts to enlist, including those jailed for dealing drugs, stealing phones and committing armed assaults and murders, among other serious crimes.
    Thank you. Yes, it appears that only convicts who kill more than one person are banned from enlisting. That's not what I read about this bill before, but I don't mind being corrected (not that I enjoy admitting when I'm wrong, but I like even less to STAY wrong).

    For the record, I believe that a civilized army shouldn't enlist convicted murderers. But at least, the Ukrainians have some restrictions on the offences unlike the Russians who simply take everyone.

    In any case, if pointing out a discrepancy means "owning" your opponent, then you've been owned here times and again, and it doesn't seem to bother you one bit. Hey, Reiner owned you just now, so let's see how you're going to wiggle out of that predicament.

  13. #2703
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    It's so easy to own you.
    You conveniently ignore facts, and equivocate things without context. Russia is the aggressor, they are invading, them using prison labour isn't the same as Ukraine using it to save their country from a bloodthirsty dictatorship.

  14. #2702
    Quote Originally Posted by BloodRed  [View Original Post]
    which means everything east of the Dniper (Odessa included).
    Excuse me, you have any idea, where Odessa is located?

    This is an indication, that you have no personal connection or knowledge about UA.

    In opposition to me, BTW. You can check my old posts.

  15. #2701
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]

    I know this because the Rada bill specifically states "those who committed serious crimes including murder, rape, terrorism, dealing drugs and treason, will be ineligible to trade their jail terms for the defense of their country. ".

    Another reason why I know this is that if the Ukrainians were indeed recruiting murderers and rapists, we wouldn't hear the end of it from you and your "colleagues".
    It's so easy to own you.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...-shortage-war/

    KYIV To fill a critical shortage of infantry on the front line, Ukraine has embraced one of Russia's most cynical tactics: releasing convicted even violent felons who agree to fight in high-risk assault brigades.

    More than 2,750 men have been released from Ukrainian prisons since the parliament adopted a law in May authorizing certain convicts to enlist, including those jailed for dealing drugs, stealing phones and committing armed assaults and murders, among other serious crimes.

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