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    $840,000 bill for 2-week CoVid-19 treatment

    $840 K for 2-week treatment of a CoVid-19 patient. The medicines alone costed over $250 K. Damn. This is way more expensive than living full time all year with 50 hottest HK girls in Cascada's penthouse suite with all food and booze catered by Azul's.

    The CoVid doctors are ecstatic of their exceptionally high income this year and already started shopping for new MBZ AMGs for themselves and the wives.

    The bros should send their CoVid-19 bills to Chairman Xi JinPing for payment. Have the nastiest collection agencies call him everyday until he pays all bills in full. If not, just seize all US Treasury bonds owned by China's government.

    COVID survivor receives $840,000 statement for treatment, with more on the way.

    By: Jason GruenauerPosted at 4:48 PM, May 29,2020 and last updated 3:48 PM, May 29,2020.

    CENTENNIAL, Colo. — Robert Dennis spent weeks in the hospital, fighting and beating the coronavirus. He's now back at home, working his way through recovery, but he's not done with the virus entirely just yet. The high school teacher just received his first itemized statement for the cost of his care: $840,386. 94.

    "Seeing that number yesterday for the first bill it kind of took your breath away again," Robert's wife Suzanne, who also beat the virus, told Denver7.

    The statement covers Robert's time at Sky Ridge Medical Center, where he was in the intensive care unit and intubated for two weeks.

    "His meds just at the hospital are a quarter million dollars," Suzanne said.

    What is not included is Robert's three weeks at Spalding Rehabilitation Hospital, or his wife's trips to the emergency room when she was fighting the virus. The couple estimates their total bills to top one and a half million dollars.

    "It's scary. I don't care how much you have covered. It's scary to see that kind of number and not really know," Suzanne said.

    The couple has insurance. They plan on calling to make sure that they are covered early next week.

    The Colorado Division of Insurance tells Denver7 that if their department regulates the insurance, that patient will be protected by a state emergency regulation. Also, if the hospital that treated a patient received CARES Act funding, they are not required to send bills for COVID-19 treatment.

    On March 10th, Vice President Mike Pence told reporters, "All of our major health insurance companies have now joined with Medicare and Medicaid and agreed to waive all copays, cover the cost of all treatment for those who contract the coronavirus, they've committed to no surprise billing, and they've committed to encourage telemedicine."

    "I would have probably sat down and cried yesterday if didn't know we had insurance and that was pretty good, but if you don't have that comfort of knowing something is there, I don't know how you make that ok with yourself," Suzanne said.

    Denver7 is committed to helping you navigate the healthcare system, save money and get the care you need, through a new initiative called Contact7 Cost of Care.

  2. #227
    Travv,

    Surprisingly hospitals, especially those in poor countries like Mexico and Asia, carry high risks in spreading diseases. Even in the US, look at doctors and nurses who have been infected with CoVid-19 and died. If you feel healthy, it's wise to stay away from hospitals. But if you are infected and feel sick, you will need to get in line for one of those ventilators.

    Americans are over-medicated, take a lot of medicines, sometimes unnecessarily. There are super-bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. When they really need the medications, their bodies may have already been immune to treatments. Damn. I would take as little medicines as possible.

    In So Cal a few hospitals are known as death traps. Their staff are unprofessional, incompetent, unreliable, make lots of lethal mistakes, causing permanent injuries or deaths. Nurses and doctors deal with people in pain, dying or dead. They are highly stressed, angry, sad and depressed. Their lifestyles are not fun and happy.

    Tourists hospitalized in Cancun and other places in Mexico have been known to have to pay in advance with cash or credit cards. Some bills were in the hundreds thousands.

  3. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.

    https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19
    Over two weeks ago the FDA put out an announcement stating their concerns about the accuracy of the Abbot test.

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...t-id-now-point

  4. #225

    Immunity with positive CoVid-19 antibody test

    CDC now suspects a much larger US population has been infected with CoVid-19 but showed no or mild symptoms, therefore undetected, untested, untreated.

    One of the bro was infected, lost taste and smell for 2 days then recovered. He went to LabCorp for an antibody test and tested positive. That means he is immune and can go to La Zona and have sexy fun with pretty chicas.

    He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.

    Any bros and chicas tested positive for CoVid-19 antibodies should have immunity and can fun with immunity. I am waiting for my appointment.

    https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19

  5. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.
    Several years ago, when I had some back surgery, the surgeon told me that as soon as I was able to get up and walk around, I. E. The day of the surgery, or the next day, I was to get out and go home. He said the worst place for a sick person to be is the hospital.

  6. #223

    Hospitals Generally Dangerous. . . Think Twice Before Going There

    Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.

    "You know how reading the news sometimes makes you wish you were illiterate? Yeah, this is one of those days. Last week, a Nevada woman died while undergoing treatment in a Las Vegas hospital. While her cause of death was officially ruled as a bacterial infection, some medical professionals are calling the woman's death a potential warning shot in the upcoming war against unstoppable superbugs. The bacteria responsible for the woman's death belongs to a class of potentially deadly drug-resistant bacteria known as CREs — carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae. Carbapenem are a type of antibiotics typically given to treat infections of drug-resistant bacteria; the fact that a new class of superbugs are resistant to even these drugs is worrying many in the medical industry.

    Bill Hanage, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at Harvard, told medical news blog STAT that according to these latest data, we might have already lost the war against superbugs. . . " Also, in Mexico, the hospital staff are very old fashioned. They expect their patients to pay their bills. Which means you do not get to leave until payment is made and hospital security will lock you down until you or your family pays up. . . A number of Americans make this discovery on their vacations after an accident and discuss their nightmare experiences on the Mexico Vacation Awareness blog. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.

    Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.

    By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.

    The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.

    In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.

    Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations..

  7. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by BodyAnybody  [View Original Post]
    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
    BodyAnyBody: Did you even read the material from the thread you provided / posted?

    Where exactly from the CDC website did you get the 0.004% rate that you assert?

  8. #221

    NYT: 'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers

    'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.

    Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.

    By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.

    The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.

    In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.

    Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations.

    Now, the pandemic is making matters much worse, sickening more than 11,000 Mexican health workers — one of the highest rates in the world — and depleting the already thin ranks in hospitals. Some hospitals have lost half their staff to illness and absenteeism. Others are running low on basic equipment, like heart monitors.

    The shortages have had devastating consequences for patients, according to interviews with health workers across the country. Several doctors and nurses recounted dozens of preventable deaths in hospitals — the result of neglect or mistakes that never should have happened.

    "We have had many of what we call 'dumb deaths, said Pablo Villaseñor, a doctor at the General Hospital in Tijuana, the center of an outbreak. "It's not the virus that is killing them. It's the lack of proper care."

    Patients die because they're given the wrong medications, or the wrong dose, health workers say. The protective gloves at some hospitals are so old that they crack the moment they're slipped on, nurses say. People are often not sedated properly, then wake up and yank out their own breathing tubes, hospital employees say.

    Adriana de la Cruz, a nurse at Dr. Belisario Domínguez hospital in the southeast corner of Mexico City, said the overstretched and often undertrained work force has made glaring errors — at great cost.

    "People have died because of a lack of medical attention and because of negligence," said Ms. De la Cruz. "These patients would have a better chance of surviving if we could offer better care."

    The Mexican government spends less on health care as a percent of its economy than most countries in the Western Hemisphere, according to the World Bank, and President Andrés Manuel López Obrador presided over spending cuts even after acknowledging his country had 200,000 fewer health care workers than it needed.

    When the epidemic hit Mexico in March, many hospitals sent front-line workers to confront the deluge of cases without any protective equipment or training. Some nurses say they were told not to wear masks to avoid causing panic. Many say they were forced to buy face shields and goggles themselves.

    The fallout has been severe. About one in five confirmed cases in Mexico are health workers — a greater share than in the United States, Italy or China.

    Mexico's outbreak is growing quickly and shows no signs of slowing. Reported cases and deaths have risen every week for the last couple of months, hitting Mexico City and Baja California, which includes Tijuana, particularly hard.

    After a Times analysis found evidence that federal authorities were underreporting fatalities, a top federal health official publicly conceded that the government does not have an accurate count of deaths caused by the virus.

    At Dr. Villaseñor's hospital, there are so few doctors left that during some shifts, critically-ill patients are going eight hours without anyone checking on them, he said.

    "You hear of one patient dying because he didn't get the proper care — and then another one and another one — and you try not to become paralyzed," added Dr. Villaseñor, a rheumatologist who said he had to learn how to suit up to treat coronavirus patients by watching a video on YouTube.

    As Mexico's population grew during the last decade, the government kept hospital funding low, devoting less than 3 percent of its national output to health care. World Bank data shows that by 2017, well before Mr. López Obrador took office, only two countries in Central and South America spent less on health than Mexico as a share of their economies: Guatemala and Venezuela.

    "Administration after administration gave lip service to the issue of health, but it never showed up as a priority in the budget," Judith Méndez, an analyst at the Economic and Budgetary Research Center, said of Mexico's successive governments.

    The Mexican government did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Local health ministers in Baja California and Mexico City also declined to comment.

    Patients have filed thousands of complaints with the country's human rights commission about negligence in hospitals in recent years. And the quality of care only diminished further after hospital workers in Mexico endured some of the nation's first coronavirus outbreaks.

    Many countries have struggled with doctors and nurses falling ill, but in Mexico the problem is particularly bad. The government's data suggests around one in five confirmed coronavirus cases in the country are health workers.

    "If health workers are getting sick at this rate, bottom line is you risk not having a health work force to look after people," said Howard Catton, the chief executive of the International Council of Nurses. Ms. De la Cruz, the nurse in Mexico City, said that her hospital initially instructed employees not to wear masks around a patient until the person tested positive for coronavirus.

    "You waited three or four days to see if the patient tested positive, and in the meantime you got infected," said Ms. De la Cruz, who noted that 80 of her colleagues have gotten sick.

    Some hospitals did prepare early for the virus, which swept the United States and Europe before outbreaks flared in Mexico. In Monterrey, doctors said protocols to shield workers were put in place months ago. Rodolfo Ruiz, an infectious disease specialist, says he feels protected at his public hospital in Mexicali, even as hospital beds fill up.

    But the missteps in some of the hardest hit cities have brought overrun hospitals to a breaking point, workers say. Doctors and nurses have staged protests outside their hospitals in at least a dozen states, according to local news reports. Some doctors and nurses have refused to treat coronavirus patients.

    Rosario Luna, a nurse at the José María Morelos and Pavón hospital in Mexico City, described treating Covid-19 patients with broken heart monitors and faulty suction machines.

    At Dr. Carlos Mac Gregor hospital in Mexico City, Berenice Andrade, a doctor, said that one internist quit because of the lack of personnel and that only one doctor watched over 54 patients during the weekends.

    "It makes the care we offer very deficient," said Dr. Andrade. "The patient's health is of course affected. ".

    Five health workers have died at La Raza Medical Center, a public hospital complex in Mexico City, according to a spokesman for the federal health system. This month, one of the hospitals started offering psychological support to workers.

    "It's not easy knowing that one day you were working with someone and the next, they aren't there anymore," said Ivette theíaz, an intensive care nurse, who is 37 and lives with her elderly parents. "I'm scared every day. My alarm goes off and I don't want to go to work. ".

    The hospital has never had enough supplies, she said. Bandages don't stick to patients because they've lost their adhesive. But after her colleagues blocked roads leading into the hospital last month, executives began providing more protective equipment. Still, the masks that they gave out were perforated, because of a manufacturing flaw, Ms. Theíaz said.

    "If here in Mexico they invested in the health sector, if we had adequate materials, things would look very different," she said.

    She spent her day off recently scouring the streets of her neighborhood until she found a local vendor to sell her a batch of masks. She paid $7 for each, a small price for a mask free of holes, she decided.

  9. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by BodyAnybody  [View Original Post]
    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
    Your link does not support your assertion of a fatality rate of 0.004%.

    Instead the most prominent text displayed by your link is a big boldfaced "OOPS- Page not found".

    Here is a useful link to Oxford Martin on mortality rates:https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-compared-to-other-diseases.

    Mortality risk of COVID-19.

    The mortality risk of COVID-19 is the likelihood that someone who catches the disease will die from it.

    10.5% of people with a cardiovascular disease who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    7.3% of people with diabetes who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    6% of people with Hypertension (high blood pressure) who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    0. 9% of people with no health conditions died. (I believe these are global / worldwide figures).

    So if you were looking at one million otherwise healthy people that contacted COVID-19, it would be expected that 9,000 of them would die.

    If the mortality rate was only 0. 004% (I wish) instead the more correct 0. 9% mortality rate, then in one million healthy people that contacted COVID-19, only 40 of them would die.

  10. #219

    New covid-19 numbers from the CDC

    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.

  11. #218

    Wear mask

    Wonder if the Paraditas would charge extra if you wanted them to wear a mask.

    They would look very cute wearing one.

    Goyo.

  12. #217

    CoVid-19 Baja

    Baja has 3,000 confirmed cases with 518 deaths and rising. The infection is not pealing yet.

    Due to lack of monitoring and shoddy accounting, the numbers are estimated 10 x official figures.

    Baja California Covid-19 Confirmed 3,040 Recovered 2,118 Deaths 518.

    https://www.google.com/search?source...CQBA&q=tijuana+covid+19+cases&oq=tijuana+covid&gs_lcp=CgZwc3 ktYWIQARgAMgUIABCDATIFCAAQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoOCAAQ6 gIQtAIQmgEQ5 QJQ8 EpYzmNg_XloAnAAeACAAUWIAdsGkgECMTOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3 Mtd2 l6 sAEG&sclient=psy-ab.

  13. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.

    Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.

    Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mur...st-u-s-cities/

    1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.

    2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.

    3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.

    4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.

    5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.

    To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.

    That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
    And meanwhile, infection rates are probably much much higher, and hospitals are over reporting covid deaths. In retrospect, I believe that we are going to find that the shutdown was an overreaction.

    I know it won't happen, but some politicians should be locked up for civil rights violations.

  14. #215

    Tijuana's uncounted CoVid19 deaths

    Tijauna 's official deaths is 392 to date, but they have not been counting people who died with same symptoms at homes or in ambulances.

    By using data from emergency calls, the Red Cross estimated true death count is about 12 x officials count, or 4,702 to date and rising, among 2. 14 mil population. That's 220 deaths per 100 K or 1 death in 455 residents, about 7 x death rate in US, about 1 in 3,500.

    There is a little bit of good news: the death count has gone down this week per Red Cross. We don't know how much it went down, but it shows Tijuana has gone over the peak infection last week.

  15. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    The US to date had 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M, 1 death per 3,638 or 27 per 100 K population.

    Tjiuana had estimated 2,184 murders over 2.14 million population or 102 murders per 100 K population. That did not count other unreported murders and missing / kidnapped persons which may be high.

    Mongers are 4 times more likely to die of murder in Tijuana and about 2. 5 times in big US cities than CoVid-19. So why worry?

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/mur...st-u-s-cities/

    1. St. Louis, Missouri, 60.9 per 100,000.

    2. Baltimore, Maryland, 51 per 100,000.

    3. Detroit, Michigan, 38.9 per 100,000.

    4. New Orleans, Louisiana, 37.1 per 100,000.

    5. Baton Rouge, Louisiana, 35.1 per 100,000.

    To date US has 1. 54 M confirmed infection with 290 K recovered and 90,694 deaths in a population of 330 M. About 25% confirmed infected recovered.

    That translates to 467 confirmed infection and 27 deaths per 100 K population, or 1 death per 3,638.
    I don't worry about coronavirus. I took a day trip into Manhattan to see if it could get me. It felt like tijuana, one false move, touch a park bench without a glove, stand to close to someone, maybe it spreads on the subway in the air and you never see it comming, reminds me alot of the dangers of tijuana if you go wandering more than 6 feet from Hong kongs front door.

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