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    China reportedly delayed releasing critical coronavirus data to WHO

    https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/china-...to-who-report/

    China reportedly delayed releasing critical coronavirus data to WHO.

    By Mark Moore June 2, 2020.

    10:09 am.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping learns about progress on a vaccine and antibodies during a visit to the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing. Getty Images.

    China delayed releasing critical information about the coronavirus in the weeks after the outbreak was first reported — even as the World Health Organization publicly lauded the Communist country for its quick response to the pandemic, according to a report Tuesday.

    The WHO in January praised China for "immediately" releasing a genetic map of the coronavirus and said its efforts to be transparent were "very impressive, and beyond words," the Associated Press reported.

    At the same time, WHO officials behind the scenes were frustrated that China was slow-walking their ability to get information to combat the spread of the virus, which had first been reported in late December in Wuhan, China, because they were losing valuable time, according to the report.

    "We're going on very minimal information," said American epidemiologist Maria Van Kerkhove, now the WHO's technical lead for COVID-19, in one internal meeting during the week of Jan. 6. "It's clearly not enough for you to do proper planning."

    "We're currently at the stage where, yes, they're giving it to us 15 minutes before it appears on CCTV," the WHO's top official in China, Dr. Gauden Galea, referring to the state-owned China Central Television, said in another meeting, the AP reported.

    The Chinese Communist Party did not release the genetic map of the virus for more than a week after three government labs had decoded the information, the report said, because of tight controls on releasing data.

    The genetic map was finally released after another lab published it on a virologist website on Jan. 11.

    It took the Chinese Communist Party another two weeks to provide the WHO with full data on patients and cases, according to recordings of internal meetings by the United Nations health agency.

    The delay in releasing the genetic data slowed the development of a vaccine and the absence of detailed information about patients made it difficult to determine how quickly the coronavirus was spreading around the world.

    Between the time a Chinese lab decoded the info on Jan. 2 and Jan. 30, when the WHO declared a global emergency, the virus spread by a factor of 100 to 200 times, the AP reported, citing infection data from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

    "It's obvious that we could have saved more lives and avoided many, many deaths if China and the WHO had acted faster," Ali Mokdad, a professor at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington, told the wire service.

    There are now more than 6 million cases worldwide, and the death toll has surpassed 370,000.

    President Trump, who has accused the WHO of colluding with China to hold back data on the coronavirus, last Friday cut ties with the UN agency.

    "China has total control over the World Health Organization," Trump said at the White House, noting that the US contributed $450 million to the WHO each year compared to China's $40 million.

  2. #230

    Yale Epidemiologist: Hydroxychloroquine Should Be 'Widely Available And Promoted Imme

    Google for full article: Yale Epidemiologist: Hydroxychloroquine Should Be 'Widely Available And Promoted Immediately' As Standard Treatment.

    Hydroxychloroqine. A cheap, widely-prescribed anti-malaria drug which was deemed safe for decades until it showed efficacy treating coronavirus. Needs to be made "widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe," according to Yale epidemiologist Dr. Harvey Risch.

    In a Wedensday manuscript detailing how high-risk COVID-19 patients should be treated, Risch notes that the combination of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) and the antibiotic azithromycin (AZ) "has been widely misrepresented in both clinical reportsand public media," and that "Five studies, including two controlled clinical trials, have demonstrated significant major outpatient treatment efficacy. " Risch recommends the combination of HCQ+AZ "preferably with zinc" as a "standard outpatient treatment, at least until we find or add something better, whether that could be remdesivir or something else."

    "Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," said LOS Angeles doctor Dr. Anthony Cardillo, adding "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

    Piri's is selling HCQ for around 650 pesos if you want peace of mind about the CCP flu. . . Possibly zinc sulfate pills also, but you'll need to ask the pharmacist about those. . .

  3. #229

    New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says

    These doctors made anecdotal observations in clinical setting.

    Unless the original virus stops spreading and they have RNA proof CoVid-19 has mutated into less deadly strains, they are only talking out of their Italian asses.

    The epidemiologists are far more qualified to make this determination.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavir...184358113.html

    New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says, Reuters May 31,2020, 11:43 AM PDT.

    ROME (Reuters) - The new coronavirus is losing its potency and has become much less lethal, a senior Italian doctor said on Sunday.

    "In reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," said Alberto Zangrillo, the head of the San Raffaele Hospital in Milan in the northern region of Lombardy, which has borne the brunt of Italy's coronavirus contagion.

    "The swabs that were performed over the last 10 days showed a viral load in quantitative terms that was absolutely infinitesimal compared to the ones carried out a month or two months ago," he told RAI television.

    Italy has the third highest death toll in the world from COVID-19, with 33,415 people dying since the outbreak came to light on Feb. 21. It has the sixth highest global tally of cases at 233,019.

    However new infections and fatalities have fallen steadily in May and the country is unwinding some of the most rigid lockdown restrictions introduced anywhere on the continent.

    Zangrillo said some experts were too alarmist about the prospect of a second wave of infections and politicians needed to take into account the new reality.

    "We've got to get back to being a normal country," he said. "Someone has to take responsibility for terrorizing the country. ".

    The government urged caution, saying it was far too soon to claim victory.

    "Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared. I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, an undersecretary at the health ministry, said in a statement.

    "We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks. ".

    A second doctor from northern Italy told the national ANSA news agency that he was also seeing the coronavirus weaken.

    "The strength the virus had two months ago is not the same strength it has today," said Matteo Bassetti, head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital in the city of Genoa.

    "It is clear that today the COVID-19 disease is different. ".

  4. #228

    $840,000 bill for 2-week CoVid-19 treatment

    $840 K for 2-week treatment of a CoVid-19 patient. The medicines alone costed over $250 K. Damn. This is way more expensive than living full time all year with 50 hottest HK girls in Cascada's penthouse suite with all food and booze catered by Azul's.

    The CoVid doctors are ecstatic of their exceptionally high income this year and already started shopping for new MBZ AMGs for themselves and the wives.

    The bros should send their CoVid-19 bills to Chairman Xi JinPing for payment. Have the nastiest collection agencies call him everyday until he pays all bills in full. If not, just seize all US Treasury bonds owned by China's government.

    COVID survivor receives $840,000 statement for treatment, with more on the way.

    By: Jason GruenauerPosted at 4:48 PM, May 29,2020 and last updated 3:48 PM, May 29,2020.

    CENTENNIAL, Colo. — Robert Dennis spent weeks in the hospital, fighting and beating the coronavirus. He's now back at home, working his way through recovery, but he's not done with the virus entirely just yet. The high school teacher just received his first itemized statement for the cost of his care: $840,386. 94.

    "Seeing that number yesterday for the first bill it kind of took your breath away again," Robert's wife Suzanne, who also beat the virus, told Denver7.

    The statement covers Robert's time at Sky Ridge Medical Center, where he was in the intensive care unit and intubated for two weeks.

    "His meds just at the hospital are a quarter million dollars," Suzanne said.

    What is not included is Robert's three weeks at Spalding Rehabilitation Hospital, or his wife's trips to the emergency room when she was fighting the virus. The couple estimates their total bills to top one and a half million dollars.

    "It's scary. I don't care how much you have covered. It's scary to see that kind of number and not really know," Suzanne said.

    The couple has insurance. They plan on calling to make sure that they are covered early next week.

    The Colorado Division of Insurance tells Denver7 that if their department regulates the insurance, that patient will be protected by a state emergency regulation. Also, if the hospital that treated a patient received CARES Act funding, they are not required to send bills for COVID-19 treatment.

    On March 10th, Vice President Mike Pence told reporters, "All of our major health insurance companies have now joined with Medicare and Medicaid and agreed to waive all copays, cover the cost of all treatment for those who contract the coronavirus, they've committed to no surprise billing, and they've committed to encourage telemedicine."

    "I would have probably sat down and cried yesterday if didn't know we had insurance and that was pretty good, but if you don't have that comfort of knowing something is there, I don't know how you make that ok with yourself," Suzanne said.

    Denver7 is committed to helping you navigate the healthcare system, save money and get the care you need, through a new initiative called Contact7 Cost of Care.

  5. #227
    Travv,

    Surprisingly hospitals, especially those in poor countries like Mexico and Asia, carry high risks in spreading diseases. Even in the US, look at doctors and nurses who have been infected with CoVid-19 and died. If you feel healthy, it's wise to stay away from hospitals. But if you are infected and feel sick, you will need to get in line for one of those ventilators.

    Americans are over-medicated, take a lot of medicines, sometimes unnecessarily. There are super-bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. When they really need the medications, their bodies may have already been immune to treatments. Damn. I would take as little medicines as possible.

    In So Cal a few hospitals are known as death traps. Their staff are unprofessional, incompetent, unreliable, make lots of lethal mistakes, causing permanent injuries or deaths. Nurses and doctors deal with people in pain, dying or dead. They are highly stressed, angry, sad and depressed. Their lifestyles are not fun and happy.

    Tourists hospitalized in Cancun and other places in Mexico have been known to have to pay in advance with cash or credit cards. Some bills were in the hundreds thousands.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.

    https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19
    Over two weeks ago the FDA put out an announcement stating their concerns about the accuracy of the Abbot test.

    https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...t-id-now-point

  7. #225

    Immunity with positive CoVid-19 antibody test

    CDC now suspects a much larger US population has been infected with CoVid-19 but showed no or mild symptoms, therefore undetected, untested, untreated.

    One of the bro was infected, lost taste and smell for 2 days then recovered. He went to LabCorp for an antibody test and tested positive. That means he is immune and can go to La Zona and have sexy fun with pretty chicas.

    He said the test is unreliable. LabCorp does the Abbot test which is more reliable and costs only $10 for record keeping, balance is billed to insurance or US Government. In contrast Quest Diag charges $119 for test plus $13 for recording. Damn.

    Any bros and chicas tested positive for CoVid-19 antibodies should have immunity and can fun with immunity. I am waiting for my appointment.

    https://www.labcorp.com/test-menu/search?query=covid-19

  8. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Travv  [View Original Post]
    Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.
    Several years ago, when I had some back surgery, the surgeon told me that as soon as I was able to get up and walk around, I. E. The day of the surgery, or the next day, I was to get out and go home. He said the worst place for a sick person to be is the hospital.

  9. #223

    Hospitals Generally Dangerous. . . Think Twice Before Going There

    Hospitals are where every person infected with a dangerous disease shows up. My guess is you are safer at home than in an environment of infectious bacteria and viruses of every type. The local hospital. As antibiotics become ineffective from overuse, the hospitals become extremely dangerous.

    "You know how reading the news sometimes makes you wish you were illiterate? Yeah, this is one of those days. Last week, a Nevada woman died while undergoing treatment in a Las Vegas hospital. While her cause of death was officially ruled as a bacterial infection, some medical professionals are calling the woman's death a potential warning shot in the upcoming war against unstoppable superbugs. The bacteria responsible for the woman's death belongs to a class of potentially deadly drug-resistant bacteria known as CREs — carbapenem-resistant Enterobacteriaceae. Carbapenem are a type of antibiotics typically given to treat infections of drug-resistant bacteria; the fact that a new class of superbugs are resistant to even these drugs is worrying many in the medical industry.

    Bill Hanage, an infectious diseases epidemiologist at Harvard, told medical news blog STAT that according to these latest data, we might have already lost the war against superbugs. . . " Also, in Mexico, the hospital staff are very old fashioned. They expect their patients to pay their bills. Which means you do not get to leave until payment is made and hospital security will lock you down until you or your family pays up. . . A number of Americans make this discovery on their vacations after an accident and discuss their nightmare experiences on the Mexico Vacation Awareness blog. . .

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainSolo  [View Original Post]
    'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.

    Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.

    By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.

    The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.

    In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.

    Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations..

  10. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by BodyAnybody  [View Original Post]
    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
    BodyAnyBody: Did you even read the material from the thread you provided / posted?

    Where exactly from the CDC website did you get the 0.004% rate that you assert?

  11. #221

    NYT: 'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers

    'It's Not The Virus': Mexico's Broken Hospitals Become Killers.

    Years of neglect have hobbled many Mexican hospitals. Now, as the pandemic strikes, some patients are dying from neglect or from mistakes that are easily prevented, doctors and nurses say.

    By Natalie Kitroeff and Paulina Villegas May 28,2020 Updated 9:36 am ET.

    The senseless deaths torment doctors and nurses the most: The man who died because an inexperienced nurse unplugged his ventilator. The patient who died from septic shock because no one monitored his vital signs. The people whose breathing tubes clogged after being abandoned in their hospital beds for hours on end.

    In Mexico, it's not just the coronavirus that is claiming lives. The country's broken health system is killing people as well.

    Years of neglect had already hobbled Mexico's health care system, leaving it dangerously short of doctors, nurses and equipment to fight a virus that has overwhelmed far richer nations.

    Now, the pandemic is making matters much worse, sickening more than 11,000 Mexican health workers — one of the highest rates in the world — and depleting the already thin ranks in hospitals. Some hospitals have lost half their staff to illness and absenteeism. Others are running low on basic equipment, like heart monitors.

    The shortages have had devastating consequences for patients, according to interviews with health workers across the country. Several doctors and nurses recounted dozens of preventable deaths in hospitals — the result of neglect or mistakes that never should have happened.

    "We have had many of what we call 'dumb deaths, said Pablo Villaseñor, a doctor at the General Hospital in Tijuana, the center of an outbreak. "It's not the virus that is killing them. It's the lack of proper care."

    Patients die because they're given the wrong medications, or the wrong dose, health workers say. The protective gloves at some hospitals are so old that they crack the moment they're slipped on, nurses say. People are often not sedated properly, then wake up and yank out their own breathing tubes, hospital employees say.

    Adriana de la Cruz, a nurse at Dr. Belisario Domínguez hospital in the southeast corner of Mexico City, said the overstretched and often undertrained work force has made glaring errors — at great cost.

    "People have died because of a lack of medical attention and because of negligence," said Ms. De la Cruz. "These patients would have a better chance of surviving if we could offer better care."

    The Mexican government spends less on health care as a percent of its economy than most countries in the Western Hemisphere, according to the World Bank, and President Andrés Manuel López Obrador presided over spending cuts even after acknowledging his country had 200,000 fewer health care workers than it needed.

    When the epidemic hit Mexico in March, many hospitals sent front-line workers to confront the deluge of cases without any protective equipment or training. Some nurses say they were told not to wear masks to avoid causing panic. Many say they were forced to buy face shields and goggles themselves.

    The fallout has been severe. About one in five confirmed cases in Mexico are health workers — a greater share than in the United States, Italy or China.

    Mexico's outbreak is growing quickly and shows no signs of slowing. Reported cases and deaths have risen every week for the last couple of months, hitting Mexico City and Baja California, which includes Tijuana, particularly hard.

    After a Times analysis found evidence that federal authorities were underreporting fatalities, a top federal health official publicly conceded that the government does not have an accurate count of deaths caused by the virus.

    At Dr. Villaseñor's hospital, there are so few doctors left that during some shifts, critically-ill patients are going eight hours without anyone checking on them, he said.

    "You hear of one patient dying because he didn't get the proper care — and then another one and another one — and you try not to become paralyzed," added Dr. Villaseñor, a rheumatologist who said he had to learn how to suit up to treat coronavirus patients by watching a video on YouTube.

    As Mexico's population grew during the last decade, the government kept hospital funding low, devoting less than 3 percent of its national output to health care. World Bank data shows that by 2017, well before Mr. López Obrador took office, only two countries in Central and South America spent less on health than Mexico as a share of their economies: Guatemala and Venezuela.

    "Administration after administration gave lip service to the issue of health, but it never showed up as a priority in the budget," Judith Méndez, an analyst at the Economic and Budgetary Research Center, said of Mexico's successive governments.

    The Mexican government did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Local health ministers in Baja California and Mexico City also declined to comment.

    Patients have filed thousands of complaints with the country's human rights commission about negligence in hospitals in recent years. And the quality of care only diminished further after hospital workers in Mexico endured some of the nation's first coronavirus outbreaks.

    Many countries have struggled with doctors and nurses falling ill, but in Mexico the problem is particularly bad. The government's data suggests around one in five confirmed coronavirus cases in the country are health workers.

    "If health workers are getting sick at this rate, bottom line is you risk not having a health work force to look after people," said Howard Catton, the chief executive of the International Council of Nurses. Ms. De la Cruz, the nurse in Mexico City, said that her hospital initially instructed employees not to wear masks around a patient until the person tested positive for coronavirus.

    "You waited three or four days to see if the patient tested positive, and in the meantime you got infected," said Ms. De la Cruz, who noted that 80 of her colleagues have gotten sick.

    Some hospitals did prepare early for the virus, which swept the United States and Europe before outbreaks flared in Mexico. In Monterrey, doctors said protocols to shield workers were put in place months ago. Rodolfo Ruiz, an infectious disease specialist, says he feels protected at his public hospital in Mexicali, even as hospital beds fill up.

    But the missteps in some of the hardest hit cities have brought overrun hospitals to a breaking point, workers say. Doctors and nurses have staged protests outside their hospitals in at least a dozen states, according to local news reports. Some doctors and nurses have refused to treat coronavirus patients.

    Rosario Luna, a nurse at the José María Morelos and Pavón hospital in Mexico City, described treating Covid-19 patients with broken heart monitors and faulty suction machines.

    At Dr. Carlos Mac Gregor hospital in Mexico City, Berenice Andrade, a doctor, said that one internist quit because of the lack of personnel and that only one doctor watched over 54 patients during the weekends.

    "It makes the care we offer very deficient," said Dr. Andrade. "The patient's health is of course affected. ".

    Five health workers have died at La Raza Medical Center, a public hospital complex in Mexico City, according to a spokesman for the federal health system. This month, one of the hospitals started offering psychological support to workers.

    "It's not easy knowing that one day you were working with someone and the next, they aren't there anymore," said Ivette theíaz, an intensive care nurse, who is 37 and lives with her elderly parents. "I'm scared every day. My alarm goes off and I don't want to go to work. ".

    The hospital has never had enough supplies, she said. Bandages don't stick to patients because they've lost their adhesive. But after her colleagues blocked roads leading into the hospital last month, executives began providing more protective equipment. Still, the masks that they gave out were perforated, because of a manufacturing flaw, Ms. Theíaz said.

    "If here in Mexico they invested in the health sector, if we had adequate materials, things would look very different," she said.

    She spent her day off recently scouring the streets of her neighborhood until she found a local vendor to sell her a batch of masks. She paid $7 for each, a small price for a mask free of holes, she decided.

  12. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by BodyAnybody  [View Original Post]
    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.
    Your link does not support your assertion of a fatality rate of 0.004%.

    Instead the most prominent text displayed by your link is a big boldfaced "OOPS- Page not found".

    Here is a useful link to Oxford Martin on mortality rates:https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-compared-to-other-diseases.

    Mortality risk of COVID-19.

    The mortality risk of COVID-19 is the likelihood that someone who catches the disease will die from it.

    10.5% of people with a cardiovascular disease who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    7.3% of people with diabetes who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    6% of people with Hypertension (high blood pressure) who were diagnosed with COVID-19 died.

    0. 9% of people with no health conditions died. (I believe these are global / worldwide figures).

    So if you were looking at one million otherwise healthy people that contacted COVID-19, it would be expected that 9,000 of them would die.

    If the mortality rate was only 0. 004% (I wish) instead the more correct 0. 9% mortality rate, then in one million healthy people that contacted COVID-19, only 40 of them would die.

  13. #219

    New covid-19 numbers from the CDC

    Admin2 posted this link in another thread.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...scenarios.html

    The current best estimate puts the overall fatality rate at. 004%. That number is much lower for young healthy people.

  14. #218

    Wear mask

    Wonder if the Paraditas would charge extra if you wanted them to wear a mask.

    They would look very cute wearing one.

    Goyo.

  15. #217

    CoVid-19 Baja

    Baja has 3,000 confirmed cases with 518 deaths and rising. The infection is not pealing yet.

    Due to lack of monitoring and shoddy accounting, the numbers are estimated 10 x official figures.

    Baja California Covid-19 Confirmed 3,040 Recovered 2,118 Deaths 518.

    https://www.google.com/search?source...CQBA&q=tijuana+covid+19+cases&oq=tijuana+covid&gs_lcp=CgZwc3 ktYWIQARgAMgUIABCDATIFCAAQgwEyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADoOCAAQ6 gIQtAIQmgEQ5 QJQ8 EpYzmNg_XloAnAAeACAAUWIAdsGkgECMTOYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3 Mtd2 l6 sAEG&sclient=psy-ab.

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