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  1. #1554
    Quote Originally Posted by HelloIm  [View Original Post]
    Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?
    Yes, Steve is right. You do not seed SA in South America to get laid however you are more likely to meet a higher quality of woman with SA than a hooker.

    In Monterrey, Mexico, I used SA and got six women, five were BBFS. In Colombia, there was one hooker that allowed semi bare back. She would dip it in and then out, but I could not tip enough to get hookers to do BBFS. With SA in Colombia, I eventually went bare with all the women.

    The Colombian government scares the women not going bare. By the way, the plan be birth control, one pill after sex is better protection against pregnancy than condoms, is over the counter and cheap in Colombia. It is a good place to load up. That drug is levonorgestrel and you give the woman 1500 MG one time after sex. It officially lasts 3 days but unofficially lasts 5 days.

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloIm  [View Original Post]
    And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?
    Most of the time but some a few women like to take their time.

  2. #1553
    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBrusg1957  [View Original Post]
    I am confused.

    Should I be going to.

    Seeking.com

    Seeking Arrangements takes me to sugardaddymeet.com.
    Seeking.

    Seekingarrangement.

    Seekingarrangements.

    With dot com ending, all takes me to seeking dot com, which is the site discussed as SA.

  3. #1552

    Yes and Alcohol!

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    Steve is hands down one of the best guides to using SA on this sub-forum, if not the best, especially for the USA market. But my only small caveat or lemma to Steve's recent guide for newbies is that I try to move from text to meet-and-greet as soon as possible. Any chemistry that I accomplish, or fail to accomplish, on text has not been very predictive of the eventual outcome. On many occasions, I achieved great chemistry and convo while texting, but when we met, the chemistry wasn't there. On many occasions, the convo was a dud on text, but when we met the chemistry was amazing (the latter happens a lot if we meet for a drink and then get drunk, hahaha). So, when I can get a girl's attention, I just immediately say, "let's meet to see if there's any chemistry. " A lot of times, they may feel it can be a big waste of time, because texting is so easy, but if they raise this issue then I always offer to meet them wherever and whenever they want. Just my 2 cents.
    Yea MW is right. Since I wrote the guide I've run into a girl or two where the text chemistry was great but the in person chemistry wasn't there and that's a bummer of course. And with Lucy Miami her text game was basically nonexistent. But in person she’s a Colombian wildcat and our 5 hours dancing and fucking were pretty spectacular! So yeah getting on a date is the only way to know.

    And alcohol is KEY with newbies. I guarantee several of the deals I closed were socially lubricated. No regrets either way we both knew what we were doing but it all flows so much easier just like in real life. Actually my most recent date we had good text but mostly she's beautiful so we met up. In person she was really shy and awkward looking away, not knowing how to act. But after a good solid drink (followed by more) she lost her guard and we really had a blast. By the end she was feeding me from her plate off her fork and ended up putting her foot up on my knee to massage her calf. Clearly if we had more time this woulda been a done deal (long story) but we parted with a kiss (which she later apologized for being awkward and lame) and will hopefully seal the deal later this week.

  4. #1551
    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSwede  [View Original Post]
    Seeking com aka Seekingarrangement.
    I am confused.

    Should I be going to.

    Seeking.com

    Seeking Arrangements takes me to sugardaddymeet.com.

  5. #1550

    Kinda Backwards?

    Quote Originally Posted by HelloIm  [View Original Post]
    Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

    Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

    And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

    A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

    Thank you all.
    So U can surely get great SA girls in South America. But it's really not necessary. What I mean is the pro and semi pro scene in Brasil and Colombia is to die for. And cheap! Whereas in the US it's hideously expensive and really the girls are nothing to write home about compared to South America (at least not for under $500+ an hour. So in the USA, Seeking is the only game in town IMO. I mean for $400 you get an 8+ for four hours or overnight. You can't touch that with hookers.

    But in South American you can already get hotties for extended time very reasonably. So you don't need SA in SA! LOL. Of course it works. It's just not nearly as needed as in the USA.

  6. #1549

    Steve's newbie guide

    Steve is hands down one of the best guides to using SA on this sub-forum, if not the best, especially for the USA market. But my only small caveat or lemma to Steve's recent guide for newbies is that I try to move from text to meet-and-greet as soon as possible. Any chemistry that I accomplish, or fail to accomplish, on text has not been very predictive of the eventual outcome. On many occasions, I achieved great chemistry and convo while texting, but when we met, the chemistry wasn't there. On many occasions, the convo was a dud on text, but when we met the chemistry was amazing (the latter happens a lot if we meet for a drink and then get drunk, hahaha). So, when I can get a girl's attention, I just immediately say, "let's meet to see if there's any chemistry. " A lot of times, they may feel it can be a big waste of time, because texting is so easy, but if they raise this issue then I always offer to meet them wherever and whenever they want. Just my 2 cents.

  7. #1548
    Quote Originally Posted by HelloIm  [View Original Post]
    Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

    Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

    And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

    A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

    Thank you all.
    Generalizations are always just that, but IMHO, BBFS is more likely with non-pros than with pros. So, yes, there are more BBFS opportunities on SA. And, and in my experience, if they are DTF, then they are down for BBFS on the first date. For pros on SA, they will likely only go for covered action.

  8. #1547
    Thank you for all your replies, especially Steve and Elvis for providing an in-depth look into my question.

    Another question is, do you guys find more opportunities for BBFS from SA?

    And if you do, do you find that more often if the BBFS does happen, does it tend to happen on the first date?

    A bit about me, since I am new to the Seeking Arrangement subforum, I am more used to straight forward transactions with hookers. But since I am visiting countries like South America soon, I can afford (in my opinion) to hop on SA, and maybe get some pussy that way. And once again (imo), the pussy will probably be a bit higher quality.

    Thank you all.

  9. #1546
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

    Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

    At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take u there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.
    Great guide Steve! I was so tired of guys saying all the women on SA are hookers and who have never used it. Now I think it is just more for us. You do not send photos to escorts, have to have game to pick up hookers, and not talk sex to street walkers.

    Yes, we are paying for it, but maybe that criticism will grow teeth when I see a beauty queen with an average looking unemployed guy with no money.

  10. #1545
    Quote Originally Posted by HelloIm  [View Original Post]
    Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?
    HelloIM,

    You need to get out of the price mentality. A gift is just that. If the woman is truly a sugar baby, I focus my gift on their needs. Being a sugar daddy, a real one, means you are investing in the woman. With a working girl, I do not care if she spends all her money on drugs. Not my problem. With a SB, I care and give like I have a daughter. I am going to be far more liberal with money for education and health than for the latest fashions. What you will find is women will respond to this by not wanting you to give them anything, to show they are not hookers.

    You often do have to wade through a sea of hookers to get a real sugar baby, but that is the fun of the hunt.

  11. #1544
    Over the past 1.5 years, my experiences with SE have been mostly positive. It's been far more useful than any of the other 6 or so sites I've used. I've had to weed through a lot of time wasters who will likely never meet anyone and more than a few scammers, but that's not unusual and in fact much worse on other sites I've been on.

    I had a very bad experience with a scammer over a year ago. I reported her, giving great detail about her actions but I never received any reply and I know she remained very active for the following year, probably scamming many other guys. It would have been nice to at least received some reply indicating why no action would be taken. Seeking claimed to take such matters seriously, yet as I said, I didn't even receive a response to my report.

  12. #1543
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    HelloIm,

    Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

    In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry.
    I angered a guy in a post many years ago in the Barcelona thread, and he never came back, and I feel bad when that happens. There was once a cottage industry here on ISG of guys who would spend time at shopping malls in various Latin American countries and in the Philippines, meet women, and they would hang out for a few days, the guys would buy them gifts, and make a cash payment at the end. Some guys tried to pay very little at the end, and the debatable issue is whether they hurt the market for others. From the female perspective in a poor country, she is often willing to take a small change of making a large profit, including the possibility of marriage with a move to a wealthier country. You do not seem to see this same activity in Thailand, perhaps due to the difficulty of a lady who has worked in the sex industry getting a marriage visa. I think I have read that before. I agree with Elvis that "not feeling like a prostitute" can contribute to the above-described behavior. I always thought is was from early childhood trauma caused directly by the Catholic Church, but the idea of a lady wanting to immediately differentiating herself from the hordes of available low-priced sex workers in the country may be more accurate.

    I patiently explained these basic economic concepts to the guy who wanted to know the best mall in Barcelona to continue his exploits, but he called me condescending when I told him he would strike out. I explained to him the best places to buy sex in Barcelona, but he was not appreciative.

    Now Seeking Arrangement exists in Latin America, Barcelona, and the United States. And its online shopping aspect has replaced the cute girl working at, or roaming, the big shopping malls in Latin America who would be amenable to an arrangement. But one part of economics hasn't changed. The wealthier the country, the smaller the chance of finding a lady who will take a small chance of making a large profit, with a small chance of getting completely burned at the end. Of course the guys who would burn her at the end are not really friends to the guys who pay the supposed market price.

    I just continue to disagree with anyone who thinks there are cultural differences between breeds of women. There are American women who are just as attractive as Mexican women and who will do the same things sexually. They just cost a fuck of a lot more. If Mexico were allowed to freely produce drugs and sell them worldwide, and the wealth were divided in a manner that made women in Mexico have the same income\wealth as American women, the sugar baby scene would not be as good in Mexico, nor would a connection to the United States be as attractive a characteristic for the potential Sugar Daddy.

  13. #1542

    Seeking for Newbies

    Since we have new folks joining the group here, thought my newbie guide might help. This is primarily in the USA, though I did Argentina and UK with similar approach. And this was written for fly-in and may need adjustment for hometown game. Others who have done more pro / liberal destinations like MDE or MTY may want to augment.

    So how do you do it properly? I suppose this could vary widely depending on what you are after. But I am after a girl who FEELS like a girlfriend. She's affectionate, appreciates an evening above her usual stature in life, and is able to actually enjoy herself with you. She views the allowance / gift (I. E. Money!) as a bonus. Not the only thing she is after. Any girl where I feel money is the primary motivation and she will go with anyone for a high enough price, gets kicked straight to the curb. She's got to be a girlfriend first, and benefit second.

    Knowing that this is the kind of girl I want to attract (and other guys I have talked to also find this persona the most attractive) there is a set of rules you chave to play by. Understand that SA is NOT AT ALL like picking up hookers. It is much more like meeting a girl into a bar and seducing her to leave with you. It's just an online bar. Sure you need money, but you also need some distance game and you need to treat her with respect. If you do, you have a chance of closing the deal. However, the moment you disrespect her, she will be gone.

    Most importantly, never discuss sex or money. These things will be implied and they will be done offline. Never discuss sex or money on SA and really never discuss sex at all. As soon as you are that explicit, the kind of girl you are after will feel disrespected and ghost you in no time flat.

    So start with some light chat and flirt. Your opener should be something specific to her that you read in her profile -- not something generic. And ALWAYS end every message with a question. This prompts her to respond. If you don't ask a question, she will not take the initiative -- the conversation will just die. You have to drive it -- and you drive with questions. Get her to tell you a few things about herself -- what she likes to eat, her favorite wine, dog or cat person -- It doesn't really matter-- just something that will get her to engage a bit.

    At some point you will establish that you like each other reasonably enough and one or the other will suggest to take the conversation off of SA and over to text. If she wants to take u there in the first few exchanges, she is probably a hooker. If she doesn't ask for a pic pretty early on, she is probably a hooker. (Though I have found SA virgins too shy to ask sometimes, so I offer). Often, I am the one to suggest going over to private phone text. You can keep it pretty innocuous, saying you notice she is not on often and it might be easier to connect up by text.

    Once over to text, you can discuss allowance / gifts (never "her price" or "how much you charge") though some guys leave that for in person dates. Because I am a fly-in guy and want to close the deal -- I. E. Go to the room and have sex the very first night, I prefer to get this elephant out of the room before the date if possible. But again, you can't go straight here. Start first with how you see the date going.

    I usually say something about going out and having an epic time and if the chemistry is right spending some private time (or intimate time or adult time -- insert your favorite euphemism -- but never say SEX! And ask if that sounds about right to them. Most often they will be down with this description -- I mean we are all on SA for a reason.

    This opens the door for the pricing discussion. I usually say something like "Of course I'the want to give you a gift. Did you have something in mind?" and the negotiation is underway. As of this writing, with A LOT of searching and false starts I'the say most big cities $400 is reasonable for a pretty girl (lots will ask more) with SF and NYC more like $500. $300 is more like it for second tier cities, and I've found a few gems at $200 (though more in the 6-7 category).

    Once you have established "we are going to have sex, right" -- without saying it -- and money discussion out of the way, you should be good to go. Just keep on with the flirty texts without being too frequent, clingy or annoying and then meet up at the appointed day and time. More often than not, if you are not terribly objectionable looking, have a little bit of charm, and follow the "let's get out of here" model you might use with a regular pickup, you will end up in the room with your girl and have a rocking time.

  14. #1541
    Quote Originally Posted by HelloIm  [View Original Post]
    Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?
    If you're doing this in the USA, then I would follow Steve's advice.

  15. #1540
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    HelloIm,

    Getting FS before setting a price is totally doable in countries where prostitution is legal or tolerated like Colombia or Mexico. The women or rather some women want to distinguish themselves so as not to be thought of as prostitutes.

    In the USA sex prison, I never recall ever sex without a price first. Thing is I always think I talked about it before hand. It was in Colombia where I texted a woman, she said let's meet, we would meet, make out and then fuck and I was like, "We did not set a price. Damn!" This happened again and again. I saw the same thing in Mexico but in the USA, it is a no go. Sorry.
    Thank you for the reply. When you have sex with a woman without discussing money, then assuming you give her a gift afterwards, does the gift set the standard for how much the price for each meeting is then?

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