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  1. #3380
    Quote Originally Posted by Midwestern  [View Original Post]
    I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

    I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.
    I always meet them in the bar at a restaurant. This way if things are going great, you can keep the evening going. If there is no chemistry or fake pictures, one drink and bail.

  2. #3379

    Meet for a drink

    Quote Originally Posted by GoingDumb  [View Original Post]
    That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

    Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?
    I dislike dinner as a first date or as a meet-and-greet. If there is no chemistry, then you are stuck at a restaurant with her for an hour. If it is a fancy restaurant, then it can last even longer. Plus, sometimes I am not horny after I eat.

    I like meeting for a drink. Try that. Sometimes alcohol creates chemistry, hahaha.

  3. #3378

    Yes Significant Chat

    Quote Originally Posted by GoingDumb  [View Original Post]
    You chat with them for a couple of weeks before a date? Maybe I'm doing it wrong then. I started out trying to follow your guide but would get asked what I was looking for and what my ppm was so I started asking earlier to screen out the ones that wanted a lot. I also noticed when I ask them about gifts they don't seem to get the hint and I've been asked for gift cards before on top of ppm.

    I hit her up saying I was in town for the weekend and she was ok with ppm. She did ask for pics though. I met up with other girls when I was traveling before but met in public first. I also met a girl at a hotel close to home for the first meet and she looked like her photos. She was on onlyfans though so kind of half a sex worker.
    I don't know that it's for everyone but yes I like to chat a couple weeks before meetup. We usually first talk if they prefer red or white Italian or Asian. A real vibey chatty girl we'll chat about what we are binging on Netflix. I swear to god I never would have landed Leya if we hadn't clicked on the reality shows we both like. Another girl and I got hooked up about books because she said she like to read and I recommended something and she bought it on Amazon next day. I love this kinda "friends" before meetup thing (and often continue after). Alexa and I chatted about her small business or her new apt for like a year after meeting and really established the trust for her to fly 3000 miles to see me).

    A couple weeks is about right but I've done as much as 8 weeks of chat with some of my best girls (and one memorable sex fail! I think it also helps screen. Because they are only going to chat deep if they like you and are not a pro. So that ends up being good.

    I always try to establish the PPM before meetup but that is usually several days or a week into chat. And don't call it PPM! Unless she does first. I have a new patter that is working well because it sort of makes them self qualify and also makes clear I am not a local and sex is on the table. It Goes something like this:

    I'm coming to town in a few weeks and looking for an amazing girl for awesome nights out (and in! Bubbly chatty affectionate. Any of that sound like you?

    Notice the "and in" puts sex immediately on the table without being rude. You can sub your own attributes but I thought about girls I like best and other than "loves to kiss" those are the keys. And the "any of that sound like you" is both an open question that tends to get a response and they are qualifying for ur offer by saying "yes I am your type of girl". So win win there.

    Hope this helps. What PPM are you offering in what geography roughly?
    Ps. I know several only fans girls and would not really even call them half pros. Only fans is pretty chaste since itís not real life.

  4. #3377
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    But I bet you felt it in the text interaction and just hoped for the best. You can def feel the hooker vibe. Quick to PPM chat, not willing to chat deeply for a couple weeks, doesn't ask for pics.

    Not that this is common but two of my best dates ever were "straight to room" but def not a hooker vibe at all. They were both relatively known in their town. Sorta party girl socialites. Both wanted to chat EXTENSIVELY before gettting down to business. (2 hrs of a 5 HR visit). And before someone says they were hookers. Puleez. No hooker with 9 looks is spending 5 hours with you for $400-500 all in.
    You chat with them for a couple of weeks before a date? Maybe I'm doing it wrong then. I started out trying to follow your guide but would get asked what I was looking for and what my ppm was so I started asking earlier to screen out the ones that wanted a lot. I also noticed when I ask them about gifts they don't seem to get the hint and I've been asked for gift cards before on top of ppm.

    I hit her up saying I was in town for the weekend and she was ok with ppm. She did ask for pics though. I met up with other girls when I was traveling before but met in public first. I also met a girl at a hotel close to home for the first meet and she looked like her photos. She was on onlyfans though so kind of half a sex worker.

  5. #3376

    But You Knew Right?

    Quote Originally Posted by GoingDumb  [View Original Post]
    The last girl I met at a hotel for the first time was basically a catfish. Looked nothing like her pics and was straight up p4 p. Got dressed as soon as I was done. I'm not meeting at a hotel first anymore.
    But I bet you felt it in the text interaction and just hoped for the best. You can def feel the hooker vibe. Quick to PPM chat, not willing to chat deeply for a couple weeks, doesn't ask for pics.

    Not that this is common but two of my best dates ever were "straight to room" but def not a hooker vibe at all. They were both relatively known in their town. Sorta party girl socialites. Both wanted to chat EXTENSIVELY before gettting down to business. (2 hrs of a 5 HR visit). And before someone says they were hookers. Puleez. No hooker with 9 looks is spending 5 hours with you for $400-500 all in.

  6. #3375
    Quote Originally Posted by Chicago85  [View Original Post]
    I've only had a couple experiences in the US, many more in Colombia and Panama. For Colombia and Panama I would say 4/5's are straight up P4 P and it's not worth dinner unless you speak fluent Spanish or want practice. In lieu of dinner, I usually try to do at least a drink to loosen them up and start some chemistry as the sex tends to be better that way. Many girls will be open to coming straight to your hotel and in that case I usually have some drinks available and something for music (I. E. Bluetooth speaker, some reggaeton). Offer room service if she wants it. If I'm unsure of the girls looks I always try to do a video call before. I had this happen recently with a girl in Colombia where she had put on a legitimate 30 lbs since her photos were taken and the photos were heavily photo-shopped as well. The hilarious thing is that she kept asking me for real photos, and I was like, look at my profile (there are 8-9 real photos). And then of course her photos are the fake ones LOL.
    The last girl I met at a hotel for the first time was basically a catfish. Looked nothing like her pics and was straight up p4 p. Got dressed as soon as I was done. I'm not meeting at a hotel first anymore.

  7. #3374
    There's a girl I'm going to see tomorrow that said she can't do dinner because she has an event but is happy to just come.

    Over to my Airbnb instead. Honestly kind of turned me off. Made me see her as an escort.

    Quote Originally Posted by GoingDumb  [View Original Post]
    That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

    Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?

  8. #3373
    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    For me I found that always going to dinner is the ticket. I only tried a coffee date once and it was a fail. I tried several lunch dates that didn't work out early on. Other than one ice cream date that scored a regular (fairly pro girl) it's only dinner dates that work for me. You get a chance to become comfortable which is truly important for the non pros. I had two straight to room semi pros but even they wanted to chat my ear off for two hours before getting down. Recently Leya even called me out for a quick watch check (1:30 AM!) saying too many guys just want to jump in the sack and she needs to be comfortable first.

    So I think dinner definitely works to my advantage and always take dinner momentum to the bedroom.
    As usual you are correct. Avoid day dates, big waste of time and resources. Maybe on the weekends.

  9. #3372
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, it is funny. I told other guys that SB sex was better than ho sex, and the ones who have not gotten a SB all are like, "How do you know that? You are not in the room when I have sex. You are weird" but every guy who has done the SB thing knows good SB sex is way way better than good ho sex. If you find a loyal horny one who falls for you, it is even better still, but those are hard to come by.

    But JJ, why not try using seeking in the Philippines? I see a lot of hotties on there, and the Asian girls with their long term focus seems to be what we are looking for.
    Agree with this. The SB sex has always been much more GFE and vast majority want to do BBFS, multiple pops, CIM, etc. The girls also seem much more turned on, or better at faking it. I guess it's the money they know we have? (LOL the best aphrodisiac for women! I usually do covered the first time with a girl and then decide from there.

  10. #3371
    Quote Originally Posted by GoingDumb  [View Original Post]
    That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

    Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?
    I've only had a couple experiences in the US, many more in Colombia and Panama. For Colombia and Panama I would say 4/5's are straight up P4 P and it's not worth dinner unless you speak fluent Spanish or want practice. In lieu of dinner, I usually try to do at least a drink to loosen them up and start some chemistry as the sex tends to be better that way. Many girls will be open to coming straight to your hotel and in that case I usually have some drinks available and something for music (I. E. Bluetooth speaker, some reggaeton). Offer room service if she wants it. If I'm unsure of the girls looks I always try to do a video call before. I had this happen recently with a girl in Colombia where she had put on a legitimate 30 lbs since her photos were taken and the photos were heavily photo-shopped as well. The hilarious thing is that she kept asking me for real photos, and I was like, look at my profile (there are 8-9 real photos). And then of course her photos are the fake ones LOL.

  11. #3370
    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanPi  [View Original Post]
    Always. Though not because I must. Because I enjoy it more. The alternative is eating alone and waiting for the hour the escort shows up. More fun to have a companion. And I would guess it's better for the girl to not be treated like an escort. I always do really nice restaurants. The kind they prob can't afford. Because I assume it greases the skids.
    That makes sense. Have you run into any girls that are just there for the expensive meal though? I was talking to one girl that expected fancy meals every date and I felt like she'd order the most expensive thing probably.

    Do you avoid girls that want to meet at a hotel?

  12. #3369
    Quote Originally Posted by GoingDumb  [View Original Post]
    Do you guys always do dinner and hotel? I haven't been able to find a girl that wants to sugar date regularly, only ones that are more fwb. I thought I didn't mind but it feels too transactional. One girl stayed barely an hour and I felt the ppm wasn't worth it.
    Always. Though not because I must. Because I enjoy it more. The alternative is eating alone and waiting for the hour the escort shows up. More fun to have a companion. And I would guess it's better for the girl to not be treated like an escort. I always do really nice restaurants. The kind they prob can't afford. Because I assume it greases the skids.

  13. #3368
    Quote Originally Posted by JJanni  [View Original Post]
    The trouble with Seeking is it can ruin other forms of commercial sex for you.

    Getting on for two weeks now of drowning myself in Filipina pussy and all I can think about is my totally wild, crazy SB back in the UK.
    Yeah, it is funny. I told other guys that SB sex was better than ho sex, and the ones who have not gotten a SB all are like, "How do you know that? You are not in the room when I have sex. You are weird" but every guy who has done the SB thing knows good SB sex is way way better than good ho sex. If you find a loyal horny one who falls for you, it is even better still, but those are hard to come by.

    But JJ, why not try using seeking in the Philippines? I see a lot of hotties on there, and the Asian girls with their long term focus seems to be what we are looking for.

  14. #3367

    Always Dinner

    Quote Originally Posted by GoingDumb  [View Original Post]
    Do you guys always do dinner and hotel? I haven't been able to find a girl that wants to sugar date regularly, only ones that are more fwb. I thought I didn't mind but it feels too transactional. One girl stayed barely an hour and I felt the ppm wasn't worth it.
    For me I found that always going to dinner is the ticket. I only tried a coffee date once and it was a fail. I tried several lunch dates that didn't work out early on. Other than one ice cream date that scored a regular (fairly pro girl) it's only dinner dates that work for me. You get a chance to become comfortable which is truly important for the non pros. I had two straight to room semi pros ó but even they wanted to chat my ear off for two hours before getting down. Recently Leya even called me out for a quick watch check (1:30 AM!) saying too many guys just want to jump in the sack and she needs to be comfortable first.

    So I think dinner definitely works to my advantage and always take dinner momentum to the bedroom.

  15. #3366
    The trouble with Seeking is it can ruin other forms of commercial sex for you.

    Getting on for two weeks now of drowning myself in Filipina pussy and all I can think about is my totally wild, crazy SB back in the UK.

    If she had the capacity to deal with the travel (she's a totally sweet girl with bad anxiety issues), she'd totally be down to fly out here and join me. She knows exactly where I am and what I'm up to. And mostly, she's just jealous of the girls I'm getting and she's not.

    We had a little chat the other day and she updated me on her adventures. She's still only seeing one other sugar daddy (supposedly exclusive, but she met me again after that arrangement.) Still exploring her kinky side with a group of very kinky friends. And still utterly lovely.

    Absolute unicorn. I'll never find a girl like this again.

    Hopefully I can see her a few times when I'm back from my travels. She is literally up for seeing me in any capacity I want.

    I still see her crashing and burning, changing, not being the person I have such fond memories of. Maybe it will be different when I see her again.

    Maybe not though.

    Arrrgh! I wish I was the guy I pretend to be on Seeking. Loaded, living and working in the UK and with the finances and work situation just to chain her up in my place (she'd love it.).

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