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  1. #5501

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    Hello brothers,

    From your experience can you help to have a ballpark idea of allowances PPM of girls in following places.

    Vienna.

    Prague.

    Budapest.

    Madrid.

    London.

    North london. Mostly university cities.

    Smaller cities in south of France.

  2. #5500

    Informed by previous experience

    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver  [View Original Post]
    that is an itch that never needs to be scratched again.

    how awesome Costa Rica was as a mongering destination.
    Don't worry, this "pickiness" (choose your own word) is pretty normal. I used to do the FKKs and I did enjoy my Romanian girls for a while, but that was 10+ years ago, so I don't have that itch in general (and when I heard of how locally it's not a great scene, it ended that thread for me). I generally don't have a type in terms of racial background, but if you like GFE, Brazil probably has the broadest spectrum of looks diversity PLUS GFE / Illusion of Passion (or whatever you want to call it). Costa Rica, DR, Colombia, Panama. They have been run through (like many places) and pretty much ruined from visitors (Brazil has it's own changes over the years, but more isolated it seems).

    Interesting on the escort part, I used to partake a lot until I started haning out with a few, off the books. Have never returned to that scene (at least locally).

    Unless I've missed my guess, most of us in this thread like natural spinner / GND / model types with the least augmentation / fillers / makeup and good conversation / vibes while hanging out / travelling. But I'm sure we probably won't like the same girls. Picky? Ha. So other than enjoying Brazil, Montreal is another great place for food / drink / spinners & French Canadian uninhibited attitudes. I personally enjoy checking out different places, to "crack the code" of the local (or imported) hotties, even if I tend towards the bigger cities.

    F.

  3. #5499

    Thanks

    Much appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by FunToosh6045  [View Original Post]
    Friend is there. He is having great time. Young college students 18 to 24 years. 500 to max 700 usd they are happy to stay overnight and full one GFE experience and also lot of different races to choose from. Repeat cost is less with 30 to 50 percent discount. They just need nice restaurant dinner, drinks and nice hotels not the motel types.

  4. #5498
    Eastern Europe (including Germany not to be semantic), Thailand, here at home.

    Depending on country, I'll either bag a stripper or use Seeking which works with about the same success as it does at home (I'm guessing because I'm so picky not because there are a lack of accounts). Met a stripper who came back to my room after her shift was up, I paid to get her out of the club "all night" which was 7 or 8 hours. She told me she'd get in trouble but she came back around 7 am anyway. Ended up banging all day until she had a nail appointment that evening. Went to see her two more times over the course of 10 months and we chatted daily via viber (she also spoke almost no english so there was definitely some kind of chemistry there to chat through a translator for so long).

    Been to London a few times but never mongered always wanted to do other stuff as it's one of the most exciting cities in the world IMHO. I'm not a fan of escorts so I never bothered trying Diva or some of the other reputable sites you can find well documented on the London thread. Told myself I'd try a walk-up at some point but haven't gotten around to it and don't have very high expectations when I do. Probably find the same eastern Europeans you did with little to no choices.

    I've got a long history with Thailand that I won't get into but I like soapies which is probably the most expensive way to get laid there. I tried fiwfans on my last trip as I have convinced myself that the soapy business model is unsustainable in a quickly modernizing Bangkok. It was basically what I expected, (bait & switch scam, girls look nothing like the pictures) but I will say it was the cheapest I ever paid to get laid there.

    I live in an expensive coastal city and there is no shortage of hotties. The problem is getting their attention and vibing with them. I've been seeing my current for about 8 months now and I'm really happy with her. Tall, slim, loooong waisted supermodel type body. Really attractive girl next door face. I find that when I have a regular I dial back the mongering a bit so if I take a two week trip I'll probably only pfp 3 or 4 times but if I haven't been getting it regularly I might hunt daily but my standards won't change so I still won't get laid everyday no matter how hard I try.

    That's my MO never been to SA, Africa or S / see Asia and never intend to. Would like to try Japan or Korea someday that nut is hard to crack and the only persons I know who speaks either language are female which probably won't go over very well. I'm always looking for a connection rather than a quick bang and I seem to have a minor knack for connecting with girls that don't speak much English. I once had a soapy girl who spoke no English stay with me for a week in my hotel while I was out banging other girls in soapies then coming back later in the evening to bang her. Enjoy your youth gentlemen I couldn't dream of doing that today.

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanPi  [View Original Post]
    So where do you go then? What are your spots?

    Interesting story. I went to London years ago because wanted to bag some babies with British accents. Set up dates with 3 girls. Turns out when I met them they were a Russian, a Moldovan, and a Canadian. Go figure.

  5. #5497
    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver  [View Original Post]
    Been trying to get myself excited about anywhere in SA but just can't do it. Somewhere in the back of my mind I've convinced myself that SA is just Mexico, but further. I'm smart enough to know that's not true but dumb enough to ignore that fact. I've browsed SA profiles in BA or SP and see a fair number of Caucasian looking girls but still more Hispanics than I'm interested in (which will result in less a smaller chance of getting what I want). A lifetime and maybe a socio-economic tier ago I got my fill of Hispanics; that is an itch that never needs to be scratched again. Your stories are epic and results are undeniable but I just can't get reved up. Maybe this is the closed minded, insensitive global citizen, American in me. Or maybe I'm just a bigot. I can't get excited about heading south for some tail.

    When I was a youngster right out of college all the "old" guys were talking about how awesome Costa Rica was as a mongering destination. Never made it there when I was young but I've always had it on the radar from those accounts and I've yet to read anything in the last several years that would encourage me to take a trip there (including being very good friends with a CR native who can give me all the dirt I want).

    For the time being my crazy / bitchy (sometimes) and sweet / innocent (sometimes) slavs are getting most of my business. Though I am thinking seriously about some college towns in the north of England.
    So where do you go then? What are your spots?

    Interesting story. I went to London years ago because wanted to bag some babies with British accents. Set up dates with 3 girls. Turns out when I met them they were a Russian, a Moldovan, and a Canadian. Go figure.

  6. #5496

    Just can't do it

    Been trying to get myself excited about anywhere in SA but just can't do it. Somewhere in the back of my mind I've convinced myself that SA is just Mexico, but further. I'm smart enough to know that's not true but dumb enough to ignore that fact. I've browsed SA profiles in BA or SP and see a fair number of Caucasian looking girls but still more Hispanics than I'm interested in (which will result in less a smaller chance of getting what I want). A lifetime and maybe a socio-economic tier ago I got my fill of Hispanics; that is an itch that never needs to be scratched again. Your stories are epic and results are undeniable but I just can't get reved up. Maybe this is the closed minded, insensitive global citizen, American in me. Or maybe I'm just a bigot. I can't get excited about heading south for some tail.

    When I was a youngster right out of college all the "old" guys were talking about how awesome Costa Rica was as a mongering destination. Never made it there when I was young but I've always had it on the radar from those accounts and I've yet to read anything in the last several years that would encourage me to take a trip there (including being very good friends with a CR native who can give me all the dirt I want).

    For the time being my crazy / bitchy (sometimes) and sweet / innocent (sometimes) slavs are getting most of my business. Though I am thinking seriously about some college towns in the north of England.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve9696  [View Original Post]
    Not Seeking stuff so not posting here. But So Paulo club scene is best girls worldwide imo. I've dropped three mega reports with more to come. If you have an interest head on over to the So Paulo thread. Going to drop another report on the second date with Mia, the 10 unicorn I found, in the next day or two.

  7. #5495

    Amazing Date w Mia and Friend

    This is not strictly Seeking but very Seeking-like so I thought you might enjoy it. If U want the background on finding a true TEN, that's over in the Sao Paulo thread posted as a Casarao experience.

    Before diving in, just want to say if u are serious about best girl experience in the world you simply must get to Sao Paulo. Just nothing else compares. Enjoy!

    P.S. Flying in a fave from Rio tomorrow and almost disappointed I did that! That's how good it is. LOL.

    Recall that Mia, the unicorn 10, and I had put off our Sat date till Sunday when it is slow. We WhatsApp and set a time and are planning on Japanese. I think I will take a little nap around 3:30 but as I settle in I see her text "I'm sorry but I don't think we can go tonight". Dagger thru my fucking heart. And Mark is super bummed because he was really looking forward to her friend Manu, having gotten previously cock blocked by his Fatal Attraction girl at Casarao.

    I'm not quite ready to punt so I tell Mia I am very sad and maybe we could just not go all night. Or go earlier or later. Just groping at straws here when she says OK as long as we are done before 8:30 she can come on over!

    I think "woohoo" but feel a bit sorry for Mark as Mia says Manu cannot come. But shortly she texts and asks do I want her to bring another friend for Mark. I doubt this will work out as Mark has narrow taste but when she texts a pic that could pass for her sister it's on! (an 8. 5 to Mia's 10).

    They are just going to come to the hotel and come to our rooms. But in a flash of brilliance I say let's have a fiesta in my room so Mark and his girl can get comfortable. So I order a bottle of champagne to be sent up.

    The girls arrive about 1/2 hour later looking lovely. Mia has worn a conservative sun dress but she still looks awesome. Fernanda is wearing a tight two piece like you might see in the club and Mark is slain. Even better than her pics.

    No issues from the front desk at the hotel, we just meet our girls and head up to my room. It has a little seating area with a couch so we order some finger foods and pair it with the champagne. It's quite a fun little party and very comfortable so we order another bottle (a very reasonable 90 R) and continue chatting and listening to music. What a great idea the party was. We end up spending 1. 5 hours before departing to our private fuck fests.

    Mia and I are so much more comfortable night two. Don't get me wrong; night one was amazing but this far exceeded that. And I can partially thank Mark for that because he is the DATY master and had coached me up a bit.

    You see, on night one during the debrief he had told me about the DATY challenge he undertook with Gabi. She had said she never cums from DATY and he said "challenge accepted!" he worked her for a full half hour and she had a crashing O and that gratefulness that comes with it. Patient man that he is, he won the challenge and was amply rewarded. Kudos!

    So over picanha the night after Gabi, I had asked him his three best DATY tips and those came in handy with Mia. I class myself as pretty good at it, but adding in one trick and a lot of patience I took Mia to that crashing O and it was legendary. She too seemed surprised and amazed and that look afterwards is priceless. I've only seen it before twice with other girls. When you give them the O they didn't think they could get without a vibrator, the look they give you (Something between serenity, bliss, and gratefulness.) is absolutely priceless. And so is the next hour that follows!

    As Mia positions to give me the reward BJ I continue to be struck by her amazing body. You know how pretty much every girl has a little stomach pooch when sitting down. Even the pretty slim ones. She has ZERO stomach pooch and gorgeous high Cee cup tits and I just marvel. It doesn't seem possible. Yet here she is in my bed. With my dick in her mouth. WTF?

    For the BJ I am much more comfortable giving her direction, as she is not a pro in this department, despite or maybe because of her beauty. So as she licks balls I show her how to use the flat of her tongue not the tip. And how to suck them. She is careful not too suck too hard and looks to me with her doe eyes for approval, which I graciously give. Sim! Gostoso!

    I also show her how to harmonica and that is fucking amazing. She has thick beautiful lips and the feeling is electric. The visuals of her sucking my dick as absolutely legendary.

    We have some rather amazing sex in all the positions and the mirror on the closet provides some great visuals. She loves to look at herself being fucked in doggie and just seeing that alone is completely arousing. Plus her perfect butt in doggie is to die for. I grab that Brasileira bunda and fuck like my life depends on it!

    As my ninth fuck of the week (7 girls) I am a tough finish. We try tittie fucking with lube which clearly she hasn't done before but she catches on quickly and pushes her tits together. It feels amazing skin to skin and I build some.

    For the final finish we go to her sucking balls and me jacking. And that feels great and goes on forever. She's taking a little break from sucking and is just slip sliding my highly sloppy balls with her hand, amazing face nearby, giving me the bedroom eyes.

    She's actually enjoying watching my dick get harder and harder; and when I shoot out a nice load, she laughs and smiles and enjoys watching me shoot. Ah what a girl! Minha namorada (until Manuella arrives from Rio on Wednesday. Kkkkkk).

    Mark and his hottie return, nice time had by all and we kiss them goodbye at their Uber. SP totally rules. Best girls worldwide by a mile!

  8. #5494
    Quote Originally Posted by Gfefan  [View Original Post]
    Anyone has experience in Boston?

    City of universities. I am expecting a good collection there but any ground intel will be helpful.
    Friend is there. He is having great time. Young college students 18 to 24 years. 500 to max 700 usd they are happy to stay overnight and full one GFE experience and also lot of different races to choose from. Repeat cost is less with 30 to 50 percent discount. They just need nice restaurant dinner, drinks and nice hotels not the motel types.

  9. #5493

    OT: Sao Paulo

    Not Seeking stuff so not posting here. But São Paulo club scene is best girls worldwide imo. I've dropped three mega reports with more to come. If you have an interest head on over to the São Paulo thread. Going to drop another report on the second date with Mia, the 10 unicorn I found, in the next day or two.

  10. #5492
    Quote Originally Posted by Lusine99  [View Original Post]
    It seems, in london, its almost given that ppm means a platonic dinner date just for the pleasure of their company or "getting to feel comfortable" one step away from online. Ranges from 250 pounds to one girl wanted 700 for a coffee!! I think Charlie Sheen will be hapky with that compensation for an hour of his time and 18 espressos.

    3 years back 300 was a straight ppm. I'm not sure who would do this, pay someone to buy them dinner. The ladies seem to be upping the stakes. Maybe some men are enabling such behaviours. Maybe some have the money, and just LT need someone to talk to. I wonder if this is confined to London where their is a plethora of traffic and hard to even get a response, or something people have experienced globally?

    Even the less appealing girls are demanding rather high monthly allowances.

    I had a stint in Barcelona 17 months ago that was for more straight forward.
    London is trash. Take the train / bus to North UK. Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, York, Newcastle. The area is still abundant with all type of girls ready and willing to ride your chorizo for 150 GBP + dinner. Don't waste your time in London.

  11. #5491

    This is way more complicated

    We've all had these requests for time compensation. These are either pros or very inexperienced noobs. I blow these girls off as soon as I figure that out. If I establish a back and forth connection to the point I really want to meet this girl and I'm reasonably sure she's interested in more than just meeting a nice guy; either I'll ask what she wants or she'll ask for a number outright or ask me to propose something. Every time, I say something like x after dinner plus why if we go back to my place where both numbers usually add up to what I give my regular. There are no surprises when it's set up like this. The reason I even offer something just for dinner is to give MYSELF an out. If we have zero chemistry or just a shitty time or I'm not feeling it, that's not necessarily her fault and I'm happy going separate ways with a clean conscience. I need to stress that my decision to meet someone is never based on a 5 min text conversation. I generally don't meet them until I've built some kind of basic interest outside of their looks and that can take days and lead to expectations on my part that don't pan out, again, not her fault.

    If you're worried about the price of the meal, meet them at Starbucks. The serious ones want to get the arrangement out of the way quickly. You can bring them to an expensive place on the second date.

    Quote Originally Posted by HumbleHal  [View Original Post]
    My time is worth much more than theirs I tell them, so I tell them we can meet and if we feel good about each other we can talk about starting an arrangement immediately, but no guarantees except I will pay for the meal. Otherwise they order crab, expensive seafood and walk away expecting to be paid also and you are a chump.

  12. #5490

    Don't' do that!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lusine99  [View Original Post]
    It seems, in london, its almost given that ppm means a platonic dinner date just for the pleasure of their company or "getting to feel comfortable" one step away from online. Ranges from 250 pounds to one girl wanted 700 for a coffee!! I think Charlie Sheen will be hapky with that compensation for an hour of his time and 18 espressos.

    3 years back 300 was a straight ppm. I'm not sure who would do this, pay someone to buy them dinner. The ladies seem to be upping the stakes. Maybe some men are enabling such behaviours. Maybe some have the money, and just LT need someone to talk to. I wonder if this is confined to London where their is a plethora of traffic and hard to even get a response, or something people have experienced globally?

    Even the less appealing girls are demanding rather high monthly allowances.

    I had a stint in Barcelona 17 months ago that was for more straight forward.
    Dudes that are doing this. Just stop. If you are feel bad, don't. And definitely don't let some young girl in her confidence or sob story manipulate you into paying her for her company. This is absurd.

    On a larger scale over time, our (SDs) behaviors all affect each other. We bang the same girls, and exchange cash and outings, etc. Hell, we have probably seen each other at the same steakhouses with our SBs without knowing hahahaha. I assume the majority of us are against a 300 pound / euro / dollar PPM for a f*#ki#g coffee or a croissant and the immense pleasure of their company. I come back to reality with the fact that most of us are professionals and probably can be considered high earners. Essentially, our time is worth more than theirs, so whenever I hear an SB say that she needs to be compensated for her time, I remind her that she is the one who is benefiting; she is the one looking for someone to raise her level or help her. When she puts her vag on the same level with the jewels of our experience, practice, financial ability and knowledge, she errs in her narcissism. Platonic dates can be fun, BUT it must be made clear that no cash jumps into your pocket until a deed has been done. Thems the rules. Haha.

    02.

  13. #5489

    What are your favorite places??

    I have used SA primarily across the US and Europe. The PPM and SB expectations vary from culture to culture and city to city. Some cities have a higher percentage of working girls posing as SBs, some have SBs that are more strict about the requirements, some girls want $500 ppm even though their looks, age and location don't warrant it (they make it seem like we are desperate. LOL. We are the ones with all the choices. We set the price. Just saying) and some cities have better quality across the board.

    What are your top two places to use SA. Just from an SB perspective, not the city's amenities?

    I've been vocal about my opinions regarding US SBs, so no US city was in consideration for even the top 10 spots. It's so bad that I even avoid / disregard American girls when I come across them when abroad. NO GO for me.

    Back to topic. I have 4 top cities that come to mind, but I'll stick to two, which is a bit difficult to narrow down. For me, it would be Madrid and London, with Lisbon and Prague as a close 3rd /4th. In my experience, my SB experiences have been with cool, down to earth girls, that never watched the clock (and didn't mention this $$ for a few hours crap), and more than likely stayed the night. They were able to get in the GF mode and really made the night (s) awesome, usually on more than one occasion and at times refused cash.

    What say you?

    02.

  14. #5488

    Update

    So after disappearing for about 14 months, I get a text message from my one and only sugar baby, and it's kind of like a "what's up"? I respond by sending her a picture of her at her wedding and ask, "So how's the married life"? LOLOLOL LMAO! That's all I said. It takes her about 2 hours to respond, probably trying to figure out what she should say. She finally says she was just checking in. I did not respond any further, and have no plans to. But I took great satisfaction out of letting her know that I know. And I know about a lot more than that too, but I kept that all to myself. What was that American Pi said? The duplicitous nature of people!

  15. #5487
    Quote Originally Posted by Lusine99  [View Original Post]
    It seems, in london, its almost given that ppm means a platonic dinner date just for the pleasure of their company or "getting to feel comfortable" one step away from online. Ranges from 250 pounds to one girl wanted 700 for a coffee!! I think Charlie Sheen will be hapky with that compensation for an hour of his time and 18 espressos.

    3 years back 300 was a straight ppm. I'm not sure who would do this, pay someone to buy them dinner. The ladies seem to be upping the stakes. Maybe some men are enabling such behaviours. Maybe some have the money, and just LT need someone to talk to. I wonder if this is confined to London where their is a plethora of traffic and hard to even get a response, or something people have experienced globally?

    Even the less appealing girls are demanding rather high monthly allowances.

    I had a stint in Barcelona 17 months ago that was for more straight forward.
    My time is worth much more than theirs I tell them, so I tell them we can meet and if we feel good about each other we can talk about starting an arrangement immediately, but no guarantees except I will pay for the meal. Otherwise they order crab, expensive seafood and walk away expecting to be paid also and you are a chump.

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