Seeking Arrangements

[NF4591]

Hi gents, I've been reading and contributing to the forums on FKKs and the escort scene in various countries, and now I'm interested in starting with Seeking to get the more genuine GFE-type experiences that you all have described. I thank you all (especially guys like Steve 9696) for the helpful guides & tips in this thread, which have helped me understand some of the basics (establish PPM pricing upfront without going straight there, close the deal on the first date, use hotels even in your own city, and so on). I'm now interested in finding some SBs in London later this month, so I'll be paying for the Seeking membership and getting my profile ready. But I'm wondering what to put in my profile to maximize the chance of attracting girls there. Sorry if I missed the postings on this, but some things I'm wondering:

- My own profile photo: Would I need to post a profile picture at all? We all value our anonymity, so I'd rather not have photos posted, but is this a necessity? If so, I guess you'd blur your face or something? I've read some guidance with other tips (e. G. , hint at some wealth / income in the picture (s) without being obnoxious about it), but I wonder if I need pictures at all, and if there's any guidance on this.

- Some of the girls' profiles mention that they might ask for my photos. I'd also rather not have a girl be able to save my photo, so if this happens, I think I'd rather just tell the girl we should have a video chat to see each other. There's still a risk of screenshot, but it seems lower than sending a picture. Are girls usually ok with this, or is there any other guidance?

Thanks in advance for your guidance.

[RockyX]

I never watched a cam girl before but today I was bored, so I logged onto free cuckold chat website. Between the bored sounding chicks begging for tips to apparently start a vibrator for 3 seconds, to the music in the background being played through a potato, to the weird comment dudes in the chat and the chick constantly reaching over to peck out shit on a keyboard while the guy struggles to keep his dick hard, I totally don't get it. Wouldn't it be more fun to blow a load to a good porn vid instead.

[VanessasClient]

This just isn't what happens to me. It's work, I don't think anybody argues against that. I have a type so maybe my type doesn't do this but I'd be weary of anybody talking about a long term arrangement without actually meeting me first. Any serious girl would understand this as well. You must be drawn to the prostitutes on the site, and there are plenty.

I should get a concrete answer from my "semi novia" by Christmas as to when she's going to be back in South America. For all I know she might actually leave Europe up before then. That should at least allow me to make an educated decision as to whether I want to pursue Seeking again. If she's available, it would be pointless because she's probably more beautiful than any other girl I've seen in my entire life, that includes seeing crowds of hundreds of thousands of women at the Olympics and other sporting events with legions of people. I can't say I'm a big fan of her numerous tattoos but that's about my only complaint. If I do wind up trying Seeking again in other countries I will give you guys some feedback if I have a better experience.

On the note of prostitutes, I think Miriam Webster's dictionary needs to revise their definition. From my way of thinking, any woman who sees the quantity of money as a deciding factor in determining which man she interacts with either romantically or sexually, is a prostitute. What makes the girls on Eros and Slixa different than the girls on match.com and eHarmony, is that the ones on the former don't typically discriminate based on your appearance, religion, or sense of humor. Whereas the ones on the latter would typically want you to be a good Christian man who wants to raise kids and perhaps has a master's degree. IN ADDITION to looking for money. That, and the less obvious prostitutes may not necessarily offer sex on the first date. Because the only women who pick up their dates without taking money into account are doing so based solely on the guys demeanor and or being tall, dark and handsome. Those aren't prostitutes, those are just women.

Because the only other possible excuse a woman could come up with for wanting to know about a man's money, is because she doesn't want men leaching off of her. If you are a gainfully employed woman or a woman who has sufficient assets to support your lifestyle without a man, there's not any other reason in the entire world why you would be concerned about how much money a guy has. Otherwise, they wouldn't be paying attention to beautiful muscular stud muffins who are penniless. The truth is their egos are just too bloated to acknowledge they are prostitutes hiding in disguise If we went back to the 18th century where women were not allowed to vote, and had very limited opportunities to work, I might not be making this argument. Barring that, I'm inclined to believe most women in the US are prostitutes, it's just that some are more selective than others, and less open about their sexuality. So in this instance, thumbs up to the conventional sex workers.

[HumbleHal]

All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else.

They are looking for a sucker. I have not been on that site for over 2 years and am happy recycling my old sugar babies. 200 is my rate, sometimes up to 300. Nothing more.

[Elvis 2008]

The main thing is:

If the subscription cost is too much for you, SA is probably not for you to begin with.

I agree with you and DF on this point totally.

But more to the point, you just mentioned the real problem I had with Seeking, which now that I think about it wasn't the monthly cost, though I still think it's exorbitant. Once I logged into my account to check the pricing, I think back to all the messages I sent to girls on there, and the people I attempted to communicate with. The real problem was that immediately upon contacting these retarded gringos, they would demand a signed contract stating a $5,000 monthly allowance. Not only did no one want to meet first without being guaranteed a long term, ongoing monthly payment, no one even wanted to video chat to confirm that they were the same girl from the pictures. All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else. So thus I must be convinced that girls from Mexico, or DR, or Brazil aren't going to behave exactly the same way.

And I'm kind of curious. I know that cell phones have proliferated in 3rd world countries compared to say 2005. So have cell phone towers and service, especially now in 2023 if you look at South America, and to a significantly lesser extent, even Africa. But what I'm really curious about is why would all these girls choose to get on Seeking if it is a service that has been primarily scrutinized in the America media? Whereas Tinder for instance is used in other countries. I don't know how Seeking got publicity overseas, but I'm wondering what would cause all of these Latinas to see themselves as sugar babies, and not act the same way on Seeking that American women do?

There is no question that there is overlap with working women and seeking, and there are tons of scam artists on there, and it sucked weeding through them. Thing is we have all these wankers who think their street walkers and average looking MILF types are equal to the best of what is on seeking. Just tune those guys out. They cannot handle guys doing better than them.

I was in far West Texas and heard a woman there say, "I need to find a sugar daddy and have him fly me to the Caribbean for a vacation", and she was a professional. This is literally the buckle of the Bible belt. You would never hear that with a hooker and her clients out in the open. I am sure that woman was on seeking.

As for South America, it has been a while for me, but half the women had never been on a date before and had to be educated on what seeking was. The average Colombian makes $500 a month, so $90 or so is huge for them. Only the most wealthy can afford it. If you are a Colombian woman and want to meet a well to do foreigner and be taken seriously, seeking is the way to go.

[FilthyBeaver]

This just isn't what happens to me. It's work, I don't think anybody argues against that. I have a type so maybe my type doesn't do this but I'd be weary of anybody talking about a long term arrangement without actually meeting me first. Any serious girl would understand this as well. You must be drawn to the prostitutes on the site, and there are plenty.

That's why I'm on this forum. I met the girl in EU during the tail end of 2022. We didn't take the trip until the 2nd quarter of this year. I haven't seen her since July, now we are in December; she had to go back to EU and she's still there, otherwise I would have just seen her in South America in October. I'm trying to get advice from people on this forum about Central and South America. I wish the guy who was just talking about Monterrey in Mexico would PM me with links to some of the girls he has seen.

But more to the point, you just mentioned the real problem I had with Seeking, which now that I think about it wasn't the monthly cost, though I still think it's exorbitant. Once I logged into my account to check the pricing, I think back to all the messages I sent to girls on there, and the people I attempted to communicate with. The real problem was that immediately upon contacting these retarded gringos, they would demand a signed contract stating a $5,000 monthly allowance. Not only did no one want to meet first without being guaranteed a long term, ongoing monthly payment, no one even wanted to video chat to confirm that they were the same girl from the pictures. All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else. So thus I must be convinced that girls from Mexico, or DR, or Brazil aren't going to behave exactly the same way.

[VanessasClient]

They go on seeking not looking for the same girls you can easily find elsewhere. They filter them out. They also don't look for girls by hour. Your cost calculation is off if it is based on PPM.

It seems you are stuck with only 1 who you can't easily meet. To use your own argument against you, why go to Europe and pay twice than you need to meet a Latin American girl?

That's why I'm on this forum. I met the girl in EU during the tail end of 2022. We didn't take the trip until the 2nd quarter of this year. I haven't seen her since July, now we are in December; she had to go back to EU and she's still there, otherwise I would have just seen her in South America in October. I'm trying to get advice from people on this forum about Central and South America. I wish the guy who was just talking about Monterrey in Mexico would PM me with links to some of the girls he has seen.

But more to the point, you just mentioned the real problem I had with Seeking, which now that I think about it wasn't the monthly cost, though I still think it's exorbitant. Once I logged into my account to check the pricing, I think back to all the messages I sent to girls on there, and the people I attempted to communicate with. The real problem was that immediately upon contacting these retarded gringos, they would demand a signed contract stating a $5,000 monthly allowance. Not only did no one want to meet first without being guaranteed a long term, ongoing monthly payment, no one even wanted to video chat to confirm that they were the same girl from the pictures. All the stupid bitches wanted to talk about from the very first sentence was "How much are you willing to give me each month for the next year?" Not "Hi, how are you, how was your day?" The very first thing out of their goddamn mouths was how much money they wanted per month, and they wanted it immediately before discussing anything else. So thus I must be convinced that girls from Mexico, or DR, or Brazil aren't going to behave exactly the same way.

And I'm kind of curious. I know that cell phones have proliferated in 3rd world countries compared to say 2005. So have cell phone towers and service, especially now in 2023 if you look at South America, and to a significantly lesser extent, even Africa. But what I'm really curious about is why would all these girls choose to get on Seeking if it is a service that has been primarily scrutinized in the America media? Whereas Tinder for instance is used in other countries. I don't know how Seeking got publicity overseas, but I'm wondering what would cause all of these Latinas to see themselves as sugar babies, and not act the same way on Seeking that American women do?

[Tefnx]

The main thing is:

If the subscription cost is too much for you, SA is probably not for you to begin with.

I too am about the chase, I love it, but I am not stupid when I have something good I stick with it. There are 4 girls in MTY, that I have been seeing since Covid, all 4 are great girls and total freaks, but traveling to MTY is rough now. Driving is horrible, it now takes 2 additional hours with all the traffic now and yes, I can fly to CDMX cheaper then MTY. It makes no sense, that a a flight to MTY is so expensive in Texas. So I am pretty much sticking with CDMX now.

In CDMX I am seeing 5-7 girls regularly and always looking for new ones. I can not complain my life is amazing and a large part of that is directly from.

SA. SA has totally changed my life for the better.

There is a lot of haters about SA, and we all agree it is tough in the states. But of the guys that post regularly I never recall any of us telling guys not to use every option to meet chicks. (Twitter, Escorts, other on-line options.). Hell, Elvis even suggested handing out cards. It works, when I was in Kiev / Moscow all my Italian friends would use this. It is tough, but it works. So I will never understand why some constantly Hate on SA. It just makes no sense and $90 a month is nothing.

[DramaFree11]

I really think the past day or two on this thread are apples and oranges discussions. If you want a sure thing, get an escort, if you want something in the gray area and enjoy (steve)/ put up with (me) the hunt and associated awards that are well documented, then use seeking.

Someone has said this before, but it's absolutely true. Once a girl bangs you she'll always bang you. Unless you piss her off or give her some reason not to. I don't consider myself to have a "stable" but there are girls that I've seen a few times and things just kind of ended on their own or never really took off with no official "break" but I could call any one of them tomorrow and I know they'd meet me for dinner with implied sex afterward of they weren't seeing someone and half of them would see me if even if they were seeing someone.

I too am about the chase, I love it, but I am not stupid when I have something good I stick with it. There are 4 girls in MTY, that I have been seeing since Covid, all 4 are great girls and total freaks, but traveling to MTY is rough now. Driving is horrible, it now takes 2 additional hours with all the traffic now and yes, I can fly to CDMX cheaper then MTY. It makes no sense, that a a flight to MTY is so expensive in Texas. So I am pretty much sticking with CDMX now.

In CDMX I am seeing 5-7 girls regularly and always looking for new ones. I can not complain my life is amazing and a large part of that is directly from.

SA. SA has totally changed my life for the better.

There is a lot of haters about SA, and we all agree it is tough in the states. But of the guys that post regularly I never recall any of us telling guys not to use every option to meet chicks. (Twitter, Escorts, other on-line options.). Hell, Elvis even suggested handing out cards. It works, when I was in Kiev / Moscow all my Italian friends would use this. It is tough, but it works. So I will never understand why some constantly Hate on SA. It just makes no sense and $90 a month is nothing.

[Gfefan]

Exactly. If I need to get off, meet an escort for an hour or two. Euro girls escort has quite a few. And, my regular is from there. But I will never take her out for dinner or dip in without condom.

If I need experience, hang out, chat, flirt, play a little cat and mouse game and then bed the chick, preferably without condom, seeking it is.

Apples and oranges, like someone said.

I really think the past day or two on this thread are apples and oranges discussions. If you want a sure thing, get an escort, if you want something in the gray area and enjoy (steve)/ put up with (me) the hunt and associated awards that are well documented, then use seeking.

Someone has said this before, but it's absolutely true. Once a girl bangs you she'll always bang you. Unless you piss her off or give her some reason not to. I don't consider myself to have a "stable" but there are girls that I've seen a few times and things just kind of ended on their own or never really took off with no official "break" but I could call any one of them tomorrow and I know they'd meet me for dinner with implied sex afterward of they weren't seeing someone and half of them would see me if even if they were seeing someone.

[The Cane]

Have they defined a prostitute? Is it anybody you give money to for a sex act (to include seeking college girls) or is it only pros (AMPS, fkks, escorts, etc)? Probably best that he not have that conversation with her but wondering if you know.

My wife and I had that conversation about pros before we were married she said fine until it wasn't. As long as money changed hands my conscience was clear and I'd stick to pros. Seeking is a rather new, post divorce, experience as I don't even think it existed when we got married.

At the time there was no Seeking. So "prostitute" meant fucking pros for money. I don't know how Seeking fits (or doesn't) within their equation now.

[FilthyBeaver]

Have they defined a prostitute? Is it anybody you give money to for a sex act (to include seeking college girls) or is it only pros (AMPS, fkks, escorts, etc)? Probably best that he not have that conversation with her but wondering if you know.

My wife and I had that conversation about pros before we were married she said fine until it wasn't. As long as money changed hands my conscience was clear and I'd stick to pros. Seeking is a rather new, post divorce, experience as I don't even think it existed when we got married.

This is so spot on! I have a friend who is in a sexless marriage. It's not that they don't love each other. They do, and they're still together. But, his wife (who I know) just lost interest in having sex. At the same time, she realized that her husband still had needs. So, she agreed that he could see tutes. She had just two rules. Number 1 was never, ever bring another woman into her house. And number 2 don't spend too much money (I don't know where they set the limit here). So, what you're talking about is for real. I'll tell you another thing too. I was shocked to learn how common it is to be fucking another man's wife with his knowledge and consent (cuckoldry). But that's another discussion for another time and place!

[The Cane]

On top of that, there was this Men's right guy doing a video on how to fix a sexless marriage. His #1 piece of advice was if you are not getting in your marriage was to talk to your wife and see about getting it outside the marriage and paying for it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx53je5_I1c. he counsels tons of men and said he was shocked at how many wives were okay with a man being out and having his fun. In fact, wives preferred if men paid for it.

This is so spot on! I have a friend who is in a sexless marriage. It's not that they don't love each other. They do, and they're still together. But, his wife (who I know) just lost interest in having sex. At the same time, she realized that her husband still had needs. So, she agreed that he could see tutes. She had just two rules. Number 1 was never, ever bring another woman into her house. And number 2 don't spend too much money (I don't know where they set the limit here). So, what you're talking about is for real. I'll tell you another thing too. I was shocked to learn how common it is to be fucking another man's wife with his knowledge and consent (cuckoldry). But that's another discussion for another time and place!

[Nounce]

Well, I guess just from my way of thinking, ....

They go on seeking not looking for the same girls you can easily find elsewhere. They filter them out. They also don't look for girls by hour. Your cost calculation is off if it is based on PPM.

It seems you are stuck with only 1 who you can't easily meet. To use your own argument against you, why go to Europe and pay twice than you need to meet a Latin American girl?

[Elvis 2008]

There's plenty of beautiful talent in the USA for $1,000+ an hour.

But the minute the hour is over (or even sooner) they are out the door. Following Dramafree's advice, during the pandemic, I had five to ten women in Monterrey, Mexico, which is an hour flight from my house at my beck and call, I met through seeking. I know it is more now but I was getting ridiculous talent at the $100 to $200 level, and my hotel room was $50. The best of these women were easily worth a $1000 because I could spend all day fucking them.

It sucks that the peso has gone down versus the dollar because Mexico is easier than ever. Cancun and Mexico City have facial recognition stations and customs, which used to be an hours long chore, is now done in less than 15 minutes. With Global Entry, I am through USA customs always in less than 5 minutes, and you do not get the third degree with Global Entry. The huge hassles with traveling abroad IMO are gone now.

In any case, I suppose I'll give Seeking another shot the next time I'm out of the country, assuming my other girl isn't accessible to me at the time.

Yeah, I agree with that. I got hooked on this white underbelly channel, and there was this fascinating interview with this pimp here, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbndAaZjRzg.

If you go the 36:13 mark, you will see him talking about his opinion about where this "human trafficking" element came from. Like with so many things, I swear the criminals seem more moral than the government.

I am not sure this is all of it. I think government officials think any money made illegally is theirs like with prostitution. The rest of the world seems to be giving human trafficking lip service but this has been an American led "crisis" decades in the making.

On top of that, there was this Men's right guy doing a video on how to fix a sexless marriage. His #1 piece of advice was if you are not getting in your marriage was to talk to your wife and see about getting it outside the marriage and paying for it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx53je5_I1c. he counsels tons of men and said he was shocked at how many wives were okay with a man being out and having his fun. In fact, wives preferred if men paid for it.

The point is the USA governments are so fucked up with this "human trafficking" nonsense that guys should be going abroad for sex. The punishment these days for getting caught is insane.