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  1. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Mursenary  [View Original Post]
    That affects transmission rate but not death rate of those infected. That's a reflection of medical response. Even in the mostly densely populated NYC, death rate is still only 7% compared the 10% you see in aforementioned European countries.
    Good point. This could "almost" isolate out all other factors, and make medical response the sole basis of comparison. But I would argue that that you must then look at the closed cases. USA has 113 K closed cases, 41 K deaths, which comes out to 37% death rate. France is 35%, Italy is 33%, Spain 21%, and Germany 5%.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us

    But I still don't think these numbers prove that health system in one country is any better than the other. Deaths seem to pile up when hospitals get overloaded and when the population has high comorbidities. At least the first factor is dictated more by policy makers. Procuring test kits, ventilators, and masks and deciding how early and how long to implement social distancing are outside of the healthcare system's control. USA still has 650 K open cases. If the decision to reopen is not the correct one or the reopening is not properly planned, managed, and executed, American hospitals will never get a chance to "catch up" and improve on their death rate.

  2. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHo  [View Original Post]
    By the way, it is France who made the virus laboratory in Wuhan China.
    What you mean? France is responsible of organization and safety in China? But I'm happy France get ordered for building in China, and do CIA have real proof which can be controlled by everybody, when one of the less reliable organization, can compete with China for truth.

  3. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Mursenary  [View Original Post]
    Mutations have not shown to affect pathogenicity and disease outcome. They only change antigen expression that may affect detection. Death rates have been directly correlated to socioeconomic environment of the population in the affected region.
    Then it should be terrible in some poor parts of the world right now, because Bergamo in Italy which was fairly badly hit, is one of the wealthiest parts of Europe. Definitely one of the wealthiest in Italy for sure!

  4. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Tropea317  [View Original Post]
    So make the picture.

    Austria and Germany quickly to a new normality.

    And don t forget that Germany have a big Pharma industry for all the equipment e the vaccine.

    For the hospital never had ICU problem.

    So poor Italy, please don't censored this because I m Italian, with its lousy health system and politicians, e 1/3 of the country mafialand. Will be the first to entry in crisis and the last to exit.

    For 1 or 2 years no more Italian customers in FKK.
    There are rich Italians spending big money in FKK land, even poor South. I m really sorry for Italy I really love, for bad experience about chinese virus, but I m happy my Dolomiti friends are safe and look forward going in my little paradise: Stelvio, Gavia, Mortirolo, Zoncolan in Frioul and now extreme 28% Gentile, Carabinieri adviced me. I really wish for great sporty, climbing every day for more than 15 days, ironman Summer, but only on bicycle. If no more Italians, Wellcum and Andiamo will die, I think Chiaso also, other Swiss clubs will cry, and even some GT Bruggen girls. I remember I met 2 really pretty Italian girls at Wellcum, Anna on August 2016 and lightning Tea on August 2018 , but both not good for me because not really kissing and when they saw my frustration about their way for sex, they told: But Italians here don t kiss. I was luckier with Mila at Marina Slovenia, also full of Italians. I have different behavior, but FKK need Italian business.

  5. #167

    Singapore

    It is funny how CNN insult Singapore today and BBC write the opposite about nations health and its health care system LOL. I am surprise France or Germany is not even on top 10.

    http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/2020...thcare-systems

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Mursenary  [View Original Post]
    What's life like in western Germany? Apparently some services are now slowly opening up? Are more people out and about? Are people acting strange and scared?

    It looks like Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, UK, Belgium, Sweden, and UK are complete messes. No doubt because the first five had overly romanticized healthcare systems unable to respond to this disaster. UK and Sweden are probably doing poorly because they did too little too late.

    Despite the media's portrayal of anecdotal and regional disasters, the mood in most of the US seems to be on an uptick. Some beaches are opening up. Some states are lifting stay-at-home orders while keeping social distancing measures in place. Cases and deaths have plateaued. Overall death rates are much much lower than than the previously exaggerated predictions. Death rates have settled at about 2.4% of those infected 0.01% of total population, much better than the 10% death rates of infected in those mentioned EU nations and the UK. What the heck is going on over there! Personally, I think the death numbers during this whole mess is exposing how weak some these western European societies really are. Respect to certain countries like Germany, Austria, and Norway for the discipline of their people, public health programs, and medical providers. The numbers show that the US, despite being lead by a fat monkey and a microscope where the world overly dramatizes our country, has shown that you don't need a romanticized utopia to respond to this disaster.
    Media does not seem pin blame on US healthcare system or any other national healthcare system. Media seems to blame certain governments for their slow responses. Underfunding programs. Not being prepared, and not resourcing ventilators and medical equipment. In other words, poor long-term and short-term planning by politicians. Media has consistently trumpeted the idea that there is no healthcare system on the planet that can handle the coronavirus if social distancing were not put into place to mitigate the spread.

    Rather than country-to-country comparison, it might be more appropriate to shift the conversation to a city-to-city comparison. Madrid accounts for 33 percent of Spain's deaths, NYC about 25 percent of USA's deaths. The hardest hit cities in each country all have a few things in common: (1) high population density, (2) globally connected financial center for their respective country. Cheyenne, Wyoming has better coronavirus statistics than NYC, but I doubt you will find anyone who would say that they have better doctors or healthcare than NYC. We still haven't seen coronavirus hit Africa. They might have better than expected numbers due to being a younger population. Again, I doubt any media will draw conclusions that they have better healthcare system than the western nations.

    Questions are going to be asked and the status quo will be challenged or scrutinized in every country. After such a crisis, I think it is only natural to reconsider all policies or re-initiate old discussions. For USA that might be universal healthcare and social inequality. For China that might be government transparency and surveillance. Applicable to every country might be pandemic response, city planning, telecommuting, and global alliances. For instance, Italy has not been happy with its EU partners. For those reasons, there could be both economic and political stability in the post-Covid 19 world.

  7. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by DasBooty  [View Original Post]
    Europe has a higher population density than the US.

    Example of what high population density leads to: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aly-Spain.html.
    That affects transmission rate but not death rate of those infected. That's a reflection of medical response. Even in the mostly densely populated NYC, death rate is still only 7% compared the 10% you see in aforementioned European countries.

  8. #164
    UK USA and Israel together want to make trillion lawsuit against China?

    Maybe something more spicy.

  9. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Mursenary  [View Original Post]
    What's life like in western Germany? Apparently some services are now slowly opening up? Are more people out and about? Are people acting strange and scared?

    It looks like Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, UK, Belgium, Sweden, and UK are complete messes. No doubt because the first five had overly romanticized healthcare systems unable to respond to this disaster. UK and Sweden are probably doing poorly because they did too little too late.

    Despite the media's portrayal of anecdotal and regional disasters, the mood in most of the US seems to be on an uptick. Some beaches are opening up. Some states are lifting stay-at-home orders while keeping social distancing measures in place. Cases and deaths have plateaued. Overall death rates are much much lower than than the previously exaggerated predictions. Death rates have settled at about 2.4% of those infected 0.01% of total population, much better than the 10% death rates of infected in those mentioned EU nations and the UK. What the heck is going on over there! Personally, I think the death numbers during this whole mess is exposing how weak some these western European societies really are. Respect to certain countries like Germany, Austria, and Norway for the discipline of their people, public health programs, and medical providers. The numbers show that the US, despite being lead by a fat monkey and a microscope where the world overly dramatizes our country, has shown that you don't need a romanticized utopia to respond to this disaster.
    You must be joking? USA is a mess, just look at the numbers. There's a bloodbath in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Louisiana, Massachusetts and Michigan. New York is worse off than any other European country excluding San Marino. And the numbers are only going up. On top of that over 22'000'000 people lost their jobs in four weeks and that despite the high number of deaths. Canada is looking so much better, USA could really learn a lot from them. Its freighting to see how weak USA really is. They actually failed worse than many feared.

  10. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    I'm sorry, I know I m different but I m much more interested by virus crisis with so many deaths, economy crisis with 22 millions more unemployed in US, 8 millions more in France, than brothels and Evita I see at Sharks since January 2015 , and even my best girls, but only my subjective ranking of values, of course. At the moment, some beauties escorting in Paris, but I already missed 4 who left, went only with 1 , because not in the mood about what happen to our world, I don't mean FKK land I don't care much about at the moment. Still a Polish, a Estonian and a Belarus real beauties if I have better mood, when only pleasures are to work and prepare bicycle to climb my beloved mountains and wish to go to my Dolomiti friends. I m happy because they are safe. I wish Romanian girls had good Easter in family today.
    By the way, it is France who made the virus laboratory in Wuhan China.

  11. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Atlante18  [View Original Post]
    In such a case, the FKK will be freed from the most noisy clients.
    Not so fast.

    The Italian residents in Italy.

    For the big bunch that already work in Germany, for restaurants tourism etc, BTW are almost totally a business of mafia camorra etc, but don t tell to Deutsche regierung, they like mafia money, make money in Italy than export in Germany banks, they will stay.

    If you want to make a pogrom, I'm with you.

  12. #160

    Western media.

    CNN and BBC among others are hypocritical. Each day, they randomly attack other nations about corona virus failure, today they are saying Singapore had it control, but now cases spiked etc. I think they should look at what is happening to their own nations with insane death rates and medical system completely failed and they only had corona since like March in western nations.

  13. #159

    Make education great again

    Quote Originally Posted by Mursenary  [View Original Post]
    It looks like Spain, France, Italy, Netherlands, UK, Belgium, Sweden, and UK are complete messes. No doubt because the first five had overly romanticized healthcare systems unable to respond to this disaster. UK and Sweden are probably doing poorly because they did too little too late.

    Despite the media's portrayal of anecdotal and regional disasters, the mood in most of the US seems to be on an uptick. Some beaches are opening up. Some states are lifting stay-at-home orders while keeping social distancing measures in place. Cases and deaths have plateaued. Overall death rates are much much lower than than the previously exaggerated predictions. Death rates have settled at about 2.4% of those infected 0.01% of total population, much better than the 10% death rates of infected in those mentioned EU nations and the UK. What the heck is going on over there! Personally, I think the death numbers during this whole mess is exposing how weak some these western European societies really are. Respect to certain countries like Germany, Austria, and Norway for the discipline of their people, public health programs, and medical providers. The numbers show that the US, despite being lead by a fat monkey and a microscope where the world overly dramatizes our country, has shown that you don't need a romanticized utopia to respond to this disaster.
    Europe has a higher population density than the US.

    Example of what high population density leads to: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...aly-Spain.html.

  14. #158
    Quote Originally Posted by Sirioja  [View Original Post]
    I'm sorry, I know I m different but I m much more interested by virus crisis with so many deaths, economy crisis with 22 millions more unemployed in US, 8 millions more in France, than brothels and Evita I see at Sharks since January 2015 , and even my best girls, but only my subjective ranking of values, of course. At the moment, some beauties escorting in Paris, but I already missed 4 who left, went only with 1 , because not in the mood about what happen to our world, I don't mean FKK land I don't care much about at the moment. Still a Polish, a Estonian and a Belarus real beauties if I have better mood, when only pleasures are to work and prepare bicycle to climb my beloved mountains and wish to go to my Dolomiti friends. I m happy because they are safe. I wish Romanian girls had good Easter in family today.
    Siri, do that in corona virus thread LOL. The guy is thanking for corona topic has been moved to corona thread and then you begin corona topic here again LOL!

  15. #157
    Quote Originally Posted by Kuni042  [View Original Post]
    This may include lots of precautionary steps: masks, ventilators, duck tape, mandatory apps and what not.
    I hope this is your attempt at humor. I see no different between P6 business transactions and dating, except on has a much higher chance of ending with sex. In your scenario a couple out on a date would be forbidden from kissing the same as a bear and a WG. What I expect, and am surprised I haven't seen it yet, is the religious end of the world groups coming forward, blaming their God for smiting those who willingly expose themselves to filth and petulance.

    One thing that has been interesting to watch is the national chest pounding, claims of superiority. Interestingly enough, we are all stuck on the semi solid surface of a molten lava ball. With the exception of the possible 6 persons on the space station we are all pretty much stuck in this mess together. Regardless of how you believe this virus started, it started in one country and thanks to high speed flights around the world, and Audi's sweeping the Autobahn, this virus has spread to the far reaches of the world. A country can have it completely eradicated and all it takes is one traveler to contact the virus and pass through said country and the virus can be back in the wild again. My Hope's are that the nations of earth figure out how to limit the number of fatalities in time, then the virus can run its course building antibodies in the majority of human kind.

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