Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[Pessimist]

I am sorry but how are your be and the viable in a sex session between a man and a girl? Are we going to fuck as if we are starring in Eyes Wide Shut? I don't follow your conclusion that they are all doable, as you say at the end. I mean, we have been crying copiously that not all girls are fully nekkid in the main room and that some girls will not suck dick w / o a condom unless extra money is proffered, will guys now accept putting on masks while fucking a girl who also has a mask? (Those N95's are hard to breathe through as such, some old guys may suffer severe consequences if fucking with a n95 on).

I also am not sure if the government will buy the FKK argument (if that is going to be their argument) that sex is safe and no transmission will happen as long as the guy and gal wear some kinda mask. I don't believe chance of transmission is zero if one of them is infected, and I don't see how the government will accept it will be safe.

My guess is, I totally misunderstood what you tried to say. Please correct me.

I speak German, and I was not able to spot this statement. She made it clear, that their will be lots of trial and error in relaxing all the constraints. Some sooner (schools) and some later.

There is no reason that brothels should re-open sooner or later then disco-clubs, bars etc.

My take is, that brothels will re-open.

A) if they have a viable strategy to keep customers (mongers) away from each other. As I pointed out in the GT thread, this is for some of the narrow FKK club difficult to achieve. FKK clubs either have to remodel significantly, go bust, or wait for 2021.

B) if they have a viable strategy to keep males safe from the young ladies (e. G. Both most likely will be wearing masks). The ladies will likely have to wear surgical masks in the room (like condom was already mandatory, right?)..

[MaxSquatter]

Ugh masks means no oral, no kissing, no anything but stuffing penis in. Sure hope it is more lax. Not even worth going.

I speak German, and I was not able to spot this statement. She made it clear, that their will be lots of trial and error in relaxing all the constraints. Some sooner (schools) and some later.

There is no reason that brothels should re-open sooner or later then disco-clubs, bars etc.

My take is, that brothels will re-open.

A) if they have a viable strategy to keep customers (mongers) away from each other. As I pointed out in the GT thread, this is for some of the narrow FKK club difficult to achieve. FKK clubs either have to remodel significantly, go bust, or wait for 2021.

B) if they have a viable strategy to keep males safe from the young ladies (e. G. Both most likely will be wearing masks). The ladies will likely have to wear surgical masks in the room (like condom was already mandatory, right?).

C) ladies will be selected by the mongers from a distance. I have seen this already in swiss brothels in 2010 and before.

D) And the mongers might feel or be obligated to wear FFP2 masks during sex. Not 100% sure. But this is conceivable- provided enough of them masks will be around in summer or so.

I think this is all doable. But there is no way that brothels will re-open sooner or later then disco-clubs, bars etc.

Re point a: some red-right districts have an easier time to build safer tracks. Similar to shopping centers.

BTW: ladies that have already been infected may have the best business chances.

[Kuni042]

Passive vaccines are nothing to fear. They only kill 1 in 10 millions. And have severe side effects 1 in 100,000.

Yet active vaccines are tougher. I had one once, and regret not to have chosen my right arm for the injection. Why the right arm? Simply because I sleep on the left side (ie the left arm). And that was out of the question for 3 nights.

I would hypothesize that when a vaccine is found, whenever that may be, countries may require people seeking to enter the country to have a vaccination certificate. I am one of those who have a fear of vaccination. What a decision!

[Sirioja]

I would hypothesize that when a vaccine is found, whenever that may be, countries may require people seeking to enter the country to have a vaccination certificate. I am one of those who have a fear of vaccination. What a decision!

Many problems with grippe vaccine in France. What about European union, only UK is out now.

[Turgid]

I would hypothesize that when a vaccine is found, whenever that may be, countries may require people seeking to enter the country to have a vaccination certificate. I am one of those who have a fear of vaccination. What a decision!

[Rocky V]

3. It has been shown that the corona virus messes with our immune system and can temper with our white blood cells. Then, when we get the vaccine, which is usually crippled forms of the same virus in order to stimulate our immune system without it being able to kill off the virus, the vaccine may become more dangerous than the disease. Because even the crippled forms of Covid-19 may mess with our immune system in a similar way. And this is why I am way more scared of a lifelong vaccine than even a full month of near death at the hospital.

A successful vaccine is made of parts of the proteins of virus, so it would not even look like the virus they came from and it would definitely be inactive. A virus can be active or not active, nothing in between. However, the first vaccine will be tested at the end of this month on healthy volunteer and Advent-Irbm and Oxfor University are attracting a lot of investments for then distribute the vaccine as widely as possible. It may not be so crazy to think we may have a working vaccine in the summer. Fingers crossed.

[Rocky V]

I saw a report today that the UK does not count deaths in nursing home facilities or deaths that occur in private homes. I mean, how in the world can that be? Makes no sense to me, and if true, proves we're not comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges then because I know the USA does count these types of COVID-related deaths.

It would make perfect sense if you knew how bonkers the UK government is and how keen they are in running from reality. The death numbers in UK are also managed in a way that they never reach 1000/ day, as that would be psychological too hard for UK people to accept. A bunch of idiots in charge, yet very faithful to their 'Dear Leader' Boris Johnson!

[Pistons]

Mutations occurs in the hosts. The more people that are infected, the more mutations. However, lethality is not good for a virus. If it kills the host quickly, the virus dies too. That is why viruses tend to become less lethal with time. No country has shown an ability to control covid-19 once is rapidly spreads. The only way is suppression. In general, vaccines work even if the virus mutates. There is a lot of similarity and it is easy to target a virus once you have an effective vaccine. The vaccine can be adjusted for any common mutation. The problem here is the virus is novel so we have zero immunity. Even an imperfect vaccine will provide some immunity and at least mitigate the death rate.

Well, it has been said the vaccine against the common flu, which mutates quite a lot as well, only reduces your time of being sick by 10-20%. And that is when the mutation of the season is very close to the one that infects you. Flu viruses from previous seasons probably has an even lower immunity bonus than the 10-20% you get from the vaccine, but may be in larger quantities. So yes, you are right that it may help to some degree. And that the worst mutations will just kill off themselves along with their targets.

But,

1. We don't know yet how fast it mutates.

2. It may mutate in reverse, back to the most lethal forms. While the vaccine makers will most likely miss the most lethal versions in the samples they have used.

3. It has been shown that the corona virus messes with our immune system and can temper with our white blood cells. Then, when we get the vaccine, which is usually crippled forms of the same virus in order to stimulate our immune system without it being able to kill off the virus, the vaccine may become more dangerous than the disease. Because even the crippled forms of Covid-19 may mess with our immune system in a similar way. And this is why I am way more scared of a lifelong vaccine than even a full month of near death at the hospital.

[The Cane]

France is counting not only people dying in hospitals, but old people in residences and others, and less than 15000 deaths today, Italy tell about 20000 deaths but more around Bergamo, and already more than 20000 in US, with more than 15 millions more unemployed with no more healthcare insurance and many people who can't anymore pay their flat rent and have to leave NY. Real crisis in US where some don't even have money to buy to eat. Government should give about 1000 USD to help some, but what about 11 millions illegals? Confined will be extended in France. In France, they say not more than 15% were infected, not enough because of confined, when 1 infected may infect 3 new people. Best is to have been infected and recovered, then no more risk tell french doctors. For sure, best to return to brothels with no risks.

I saw a report today that the UK does not count deaths in nursing home facilities or deaths that occur in private homes. I mean, how in the world can that be? Makes no sense to me, and if true, proves we're not comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges then because I know the USA does count these types of COVID-related deaths.

[Mr Ho]

Women at the helm has never been good for our proclivity. Look what happened to my once favorite destination, Argentina. There have only been undependable social media rumors of vaccines. What about other clubs and crowd activities such as Oktoberfest and music concerts. Are those dependent on vaccines as well? No different congregation activities than brothels.

Only activity true monger care is brothels and escort service LOL, I ain't going to any events where there is bunch of guys with beers on their hands and girls wearing clothes LOL!

[Sirioja]

So you missed out on this article?

https://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/...of_1347414_11/

That is for Italy, a country which has been fairly good at testing people. With 15.935 tests per 1 M. In Comparison, Germany has 15.730 tests per 1 M. So Italian numbers are more accurate than German numbers. And in Italy, it seems they are only managing to pick up on about 44% of deaths from the virus.

New York for comparison tests 22.478 per 1 M, so figures there are probably a bit more precise. But Spain, UK and France has been very sloppy, so you can probably multiply it by 3-4 in those countries. Meaning for example France now has probably over 50 000 deaths. Hi Sirioja, remembers what we discussed a few days ago?

But of course, make your own number calculations. I will stick to mine. For India for example, with just 137 tests per 1 M, I suspect the real figures can probably be multiplied by 100-150. And Brazil is underepoting by 50+ times. And Africa pretty much doesn't have any testing capacity worth recognizing at all. But US figures shows Africans are 6 times more at risk than whites. Questions is just is that is due to the reasons the officials claim. I personally think the genetic factors play a larger role in all of this, so Africa will be hit harder than anywhere else. They will also face the same 'Hunger Games' scenario India is experiencing. Further increasing the death numbers from other non-corona related deaths. So there are no epicenters any longer its pretty global.

France is counting not only people dying in hospitals, but old people in residences and others, and less than 15000 deaths today, Italy tell about 20000 deaths but more around Bergamo, and already more than 20000 in US, with more than 15 millions more unemployed with no more healthcare insurance and many people who can't anymore pay their flat rent and have to leave NY. Real crisis in US where some don't even have money to buy to eat. Government should give about 1000 USD to help some, but what about 11 millions illegals? Confined will be extended in France. In France, they say not more than 15% were infected, not enough because of confined, when 1 infected may infect 3 new people. Best is to have been infected and recovered, then no more risk tell french doctors. For sure, best to return to brothels with no risks.

[Kel Varnsen]

I hate to disappoint you and other FKK fans, but just let you know that Merkel said a few days ago in the press conference that she will keep the brothels closed until there is vaccine, according to a German board. So everything is up in the air.

Do you have a quote or reference where Merkel specifically mentions prostitution or brothels? I have not seen any.

A summary in English of Merkel's press conference before Easter can be found here: https://www.thelocal.de/20200409/the...s-restrictions.

She is quoted as saying: The rules will remain in place as long as we do not have a vaccine that can be used to immunize the population against the virus. .

This was with regard to how this year's summer holidays may be affected and had nothing to do with prostitution specifically. It's unclear which rules she is referring to, however it certainly isn't Germany's plan to keep the status quo until a vaccine has been developed. So I think she is just referencing that some unspecified rules will be in place until that happens.

I see German media reference an expert brief quite a lot which describes a tentative way forward. This article (in German) is one example: https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/p...6868.bild.html.

Here is an excerpt from the article, by way of Google Translate:

The expert commission recommends that economic activities should be re-approved as quickly as possible and as far as responsible. Protective measures such as masks, spacing or partitions would have to be taken. Retail stores could, for example, "reopen earlier than discotheques, in gastronomy, strict guidelines may be conceivable (distance between tables, limited number of people)".

The paper also states: "Major events such as Bundesliga soccer matches with spectators, but also trade fairs and congresses will not be possible in the foreseeable future. ".

My point is, I think it is too early to tell what will happen to prostitution in Germany, and particularly FKKs, for the next six to 18 months. Even if a vaccine takes 18 months or longer to develop and distribute, I don't think we can conclude already that FKKs will be closed for the duration.

I still carry a fair hope that it will be possible to lounge in a German FKK garden come July or August 2020.

A meeting between all states and the federal government is set for this coming Wednesday. I think we will know a lot more after the following press conference.

P.S.

And also, I think it will be up to to individual states, and not Merkel and the federal government, if and when the FKKs open again.

[Akibono]

I am kinda going against the flood here and suspect Sweden did the right move in not closing down as much. The only thing they should have done better was to test far more than they have. You cannot test enough in order to get real data.

Because the only way I see it now, is that we have to burn this thing out. Although not destroying the health system, we need to keep it at max capacity in order to burn it out as quickly as possible. Otherwise, the virus will just mutate thousands of times before we reach herd imunity. And the more it mutates, the harder it will get to reach herd imunity. And also, the less effective vaccines will become. Actually, vaccines will be 99.99% useless from day one is my prediction due to the mutation rates some scientists are seing.

So basically, people will just have to die. A lot of people. It is the only way for society to get back to where we were. Otherwise, we'll just be herds in a cage for the rest of our lives. And hell, even Netflix, HBO and others are putting TV shows on hold, and gyms are closed. So this is getting boring fast.

Mutations occurs in the hosts. The more people that are infected, the more mutations. However, lethality is not good for a virus. If it kills the host quickly, the virus dies too. That is why viruses tend to become less lethal with time. No country has shown an ability to control covid-19 once is rapidly spreads. The only way is suppression. In general, vaccines work even if the virus mutates. There is a lot of similarity and it is easy to target a virus once you have an effective vaccine. The vaccine can be adjusted for any common mutation. The problem here is the virus is novel so we have zero immunity. Even an imperfect vaccine will provide some immunity and at least mitigate the death rate.

[Sirioja]

I hate to disappoint you and other FKK fans, but just let you know that Merkel said a few days ago in the press conference that she will keep the brothels closed until there is vaccine, according to a German board. So everything is up in the air.

Really? Until vaccine which will need months. Austria and maybe Switzerland should reopen before.

[Sirioja]

Fully aware this is the German forum. And painfully aware that it's become the Corona Virus opinion of the day forum. So I hope the following break from that is welcomed by at least some.

Sometimes people discuss whether Globe is worth it. And you may have heard of its double price competitor Aphrodisia at a heart stopping $USD280/ half. Is it worth it? You decide. Here is a report from a year ago.

Rolled up around 10 and like a lot of these clubs it is very discreet from the street. Uber guy dropped me off but I had to poke around a bit to find it. It is in fact at the pin but only identified by two massive wooden doors. Push your way in and you will see another door labeled Aphrodisia.

Upon arrival, a hostess greets me in the hall and explains the process and prices (yes it's 280 a half! But it scales better. 380 for 45 minutes, 500 an hour). On your right is another door where you enter the club. And wow. I mean wow. This was a Thursday night and there must have been 30 girls and maybe 5-6 guys. I was stunned how many girls there were and they were all slim and pretty.

The club has an unusual format. No cover and the drinks are free. You could literally come in, have a few drinks and leave if you don't like the merch. This is highly unlikely. There are tons of girls and they all eyes on you. It's very unusual, especially if you are used to being the last picked for gym class.

The girls are not allowed to approach so it's a very chill vibe. I found a spot on the couch and chatted up a fellow compatriot who had been before. It was a nice conversation but before long we waived over a dark haired Romanian hottie in a black Danskin. She sat between us and we both chatted her up a bit. I was tempted but we both moved on.

Eventually I settled on Aurelia. An unbelievably pretty German girl. A solid 9 in and out of her clothes. We went upstairs. The rooms are very nice with 12 foot ceilings and a big king bed in a large room. Showered across the hall while she took the money downstairs. Clothes were shed and we had a very pleasant if unspectacular time. We did all the usual stuff but I can't recall the exact sequence (give me a break. I've fucked 5 girls in the last 24 hours and I am in pussy fog!

Her kissing was light and she does not BLS or I would have repeated. Great pussy fit, in both doggie and mish which is rare for me, so that is a big plus. We finished about 20 minutes in but no rush to leave. Shared a cigarette on the bed and just chatted for a while. Nice relaxed mood.

Even though the sex was nothing to write home about there is a classiness to the in-room interaction. Very sweet and professional and at the end where I had left the CH20 change on the table she said "don't forget your money" rather than "a tip for me?" I am definitely not at Sharks or Oase! And Just a classy feel throughout..

I visited twice Aphrodisia on 2019, each time on Thursday at 7 pm, because Thursday evening is said to be best casting time there. Welcoming desk with good chocolates on desk on my second visit. Both times when I arrived, more than 50 girls, more than at Globe, some sitting behind the bar, all girls looking at you, staring at you, smiling, at least you feel very beautiful if you are self confident enough about your image, and I was the only guy, sultan of harem, girls serve you drink. Free entry and drinking for free, even if you want to drink alcohol, unfortunately, only orange juice for fruit juice, for me. On my 2 visits, I stayed about 8 hours, I saw guys entering, drinking or taking drug on the bar, and leaving without even looking at girls, and from my Russian escorts I pay 200 € for nearly 1 hour, I try to leave at 55 mn not to be asked for 1 hour rate, and from girls in Paris streets I see every day, I never saw any girl, not even Sunny, who worth to pay 280 for 30 mn, or 500 for 1 hour, I had prettier and more fresh girls in Germany, really kissing, I can enjoy for 4 hours in Germany for 1 hour at Aphrodisia and not even better service, with not many really kissing, I was told by some locals. Aphrodisia casting really don't worth the rate, many girls worked in Germany before, but not fresh anymore, like ex Beatrice Oase or Sharks seen on my first visit, but not on second, kind of cemetery for WGs, Aphrodisia is like the end of the road. Even Globe casting fell and not more than 5 girls at Globe now worth the rate = 130 €/30 mn, for me, with CIM 100 , anal 200 . More fresh girls and less silicon, except at GT, in Germany where if you find a beauty for you, you can have 3 hours with her for 1 hour at Globe, and 4 hours with her for 1 hour at Aphrodisia. Casting is on average far higher level for looks and services at Globe than at Aphrodisia, but unfortunately, Globe lost chic, girls lost elegance and charm. Zurich is a small village where cocaine is cheap. According to some locals and from my Swiss experiences, some other Swiss clubs are more interesting now, I mean before virus. Wait and see what will be after, but Globe was not anymore higher level than Germany where I had prettier girls for less expensive in 2019, mostly at Oase and one great at Gold.