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  1. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Questner  [View Original Post]
    The premise was to make things faster and easier. Read from the following sentence: 'This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations'.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

    To make things easier and faster, in my opinion, the malady should be viewed as a malady only, three times more dangerous than a flu. Every other response is nonsense. Reminds me of a stupid leftist comment that 'half of a bridge is better than no bridge at all'.
    Data out of Israel in real world where they have mostly given Pfizer BioNtech is showing 90% protection v getting the disease, with over 80% being the much ballyhooed British variant, and a 99% improvement in death (including the old frails) and negligible transmission and certainly no more than the false negativity rate of the stupid tests we have. So why the heck are we not immediately using vaccine passports? We are acting like bumbling idiots with this thing, and ideology is at work. Not science. Fauci is talking about masks in 2022 today! Can you beleive that shit? My prediction, We will be having single digit thousands of cases and 100-200 deaths a day by mid April this year. What we will see is small outbreaks in areas yet to have had widespread disease. Our gov't should be working on mobile vaccination vans for such developments right now. And on an updated vaccine for 2022. As far as national disease burden is concerned, we will be looking at a very different situation in April. Mostly via innate immunity from the 1/3 or so people that I think have got exposure to the disease already augmented by the currently 13% who have got a shot, that number will be closer 25% by then. 35+25 =60% but adjusting for the infected who got vaccinated, At those levels where perhaps ~1/2 the population has some sort of immunity, the spread will be minimal even if we aren't quite at herd. The countries that really have te be cautious are those that have had minimal disease burden to date and yet to be fully vaccinated, like Australia and NZ and other Asian Countries.

  2. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Questner  [View Original Post]
    'This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations'.
    Questner, every study says that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Questner  [View Original Post]
    'Reminds me of a stupid leftist comment that 'half of a bridge is better than no bridge at all'.
    While I like mocking the leftists, that is not what is going on here. There is limited data on whether one shot can be as good as two, but the thing I hate with the percentages is they are talking about how well the vaccine protects against Covid but the real issue is how sick you get with Covid. As far as I have seen, even with the vaccinated do (and it rarely happens) get Covid, it is no worse than a common cold so for all in intents and purpose, the vaccine is close to 100% effective against someone getting severe illness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Questner  [View Original Post]
    But even if it does confer a similar immunity in the short term my understanding is that the second dose (for those vaccines for which a second dose is recommended) should provide a longer period of protection.
    That is not known. What is known is the antibodies go up markedly after the second shot but with the surge of antibodies, you are seeing a marked increase in side effects with the second shot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Questner  [View Original Post]
    But there might be reasons for delaying the second shot in order to give more first shots where vaccines are in limited supply. A tradeoff.
    I see the benefit of giving more people one injection versus fewer having two, but I am not sure how much of a benefit or if there is any benefit unless you are a vaccine manufacturer. That is why I keep seeing the percentages with regards to the vaccinated getting Covid being pushed over people getting the vaccine and having severe Covid.

    That data is not as well known but if one shot prevents 99 or 100% from having severe Covid then we should be doing a lot more first shots and a lot less second shots. So what if people get the vaccine and have a cold for a few days as long as they do not spread it?

  3. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]
    "Even before the second dose, BNT162 b2 was highly efficacious, with a vaccine efficacy of 92.6%, a finding similar to the first-dose efficacy of 92.1% reported for the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna). ".

    I'll enclose the link one more time for the sake of convenience.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242
    The premise was to make things faster and easier. Read from the following sentence: 'This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations'.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

    To make things easier and faster, in my opinion, the malady should be viewed as a malady only, three times more dangerous than a flu. Every other response is nonsense. Reminds me of a stupid leftist comment that 'half of a bridge is better than no bridge at all'.

  4. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]
    "Even before the second dose, BNT162 b2 was highly efficacious, with a vaccine efficacy of 92.6%, a finding similar to the first-dose efficacy of 92.1% reported for the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna). ".

    I'll enclose the link one more time for the sake of convenience.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242
    That level appears to be achieved around the 4 week mark. But even if it does confer a similar immunity in the short term my understanding is that the second dose (for those vaccines for which a second dose is recommended) should provide a longer period of protection. It does strengthen the measures of immune response, and this is why it is part of the recommended process.

    But there might be reasons for delaying the second shot in order to give more first shots where vaccines are in limited supply. A tradeoff.

  5. #125

    Vaccines and travel

    Quote Originally Posted by Artisttyp  [View Original Post]
    Obviously.

    There is no way you or anyone else is doing anything going forward without a vaccine.

    You don't have to take it if you don't want to but just like you say NOTHING will be accessible without it.

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/23/chaos-erupts-at-shanghai-airport-after-mass-covid-19-testing-ordered/
    And this is exactly as it should be. ID like to see vaccine cards needed to go to the grocery store! There is no need for stupid anti science anti vaxxers to increase the risk to the rest of us and prolong the time to herd immunity and eventual return to normalcy. Sure you can refuse to take the vaccine. And be excluded from all public places.

  6. #124

    Kindly explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Questner  [View Original Post]
    Not true. Reading is basic.
    "Even before the second dose, BNT162 b2 was highly efficacious, with a vaccine efficacy of 92.6%, a finding similar to the first-dose efficacy of 92.1% reported for the mRNA-1273 vaccine (Moderna). ".

    I'll enclose the link one more time for the sake of convenience.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242

  7. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Artisttyp  [View Original Post]
    Fairly comprehensive from what I see:

    https://travel.usnews.com/features/w...avel-right-now
    Thanks' for sharing this useful information.

  8. #122

    Great List

    Fairly comprehensive from what I see:

    https://travel.usnews.com/features/w...avel-right-now

  9. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Xpartan  [View Original Post]
    If true, that might make things much faster and easier.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242
    Not true. Reading is basic.

  10. #120

    Pfizer and Moderna vaccines prove 92% effective with just 1st dose after 2 weeks

    If true, that might make things much faster and easier.

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2036242

  11. #119

    Dr?

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyMontanaaO7  [View Original Post]
    I'm in the process of compiling a list of countries with no entry / travel restrictions (quarantines, negative PCR test, etc) and that haven't banned Americans. So far I only have Mexico, Croatia, Albania, Costa Rica, Tanzania, and a few that have flip flopped. Are there any others I'm missing that anyone here has had experience with traveling to recently?
    If memory serves me, the DR doesn't require anything.

  12. #118

    Clarification

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    I believe the United Arab Emirates is also on the list. At least that country used to be. Think it still is. A pussy haven for traveling mongers. Expensive, but not as expensive as Switzerland. And a pussy haven I say to you!
    I should clarify that by saying that it was only Dubai that was open. The rest of the Emirates were closed to tourists.

  13. #117

    Uae

    Quote Originally Posted by TonyMontanaaO7  [View Original Post]
    I'm in the process of compiling a list of countries with no entry / travel restrictions (quarantines, negative PCR test, etc) and that haven't banned Americans. So far I only have Mexico, Croatia, Albania, Costa Rica, Tanzania, and a few that have flip flopped. Are there any others I'm missing that anyone here has had experience with traveling to recently?
    I believe the United Arab Emirates is also on the list. At least that country used to be. Think it still is. A pussy haven for traveling mongers. Expensive, but not as expensive as Switzerland. And a pussy haven I say to you!

  14. #116
    I'm in the process of compiling a list of countries with no entry / travel restrictions (quarantines, negative PCR test, etc) and that haven't banned Americans. So far I only have Mexico, Croatia, Albania, Costa Rica, Tanzania, and a few that have flip flopped. Are there any others I'm missing that anyone here has had experience with traveling to recently?

  15. #115

    Demand

    There's so much pent up demand out there! When we get on the other side of this virus, there's going to be an explosion of economic activity, especially in the travel, hospitality, restaurant, and live entertainment sectors. Get ready to get your shots my mongers! Here's a useful tool for those living in the United States:

    https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/plan-your-vaccine/

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