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  1. #43
    I have been hoping to travel again. Like many others on this forum I'm sure. But.

    Here's the deal as I am starting to see it. I'll just put it out to all of you. The last things to come back will be international travel. At least travel as we used to know it. Perhaps limited travel with extensive testing and 2 week plus quarantines, but not low cost available and open travel.

    This is based on comments I'm hearing from experts, things like "if there's pockets of infection anywhere in the world it will get everywhere" And indeed that is how it got started, and how it spread.

    So imagine a country, like New Zealand for example, that has almost no cases, in fact everyone that had it has recovered and they have no new cases coming on. Do you think they'll be anxious to open their airports to, for example, Americans? Or Brazilians? When they've spent huge amounts of their national treasury on stamping out the virus. And tourism is very important to their economy. But with the virus they have no economy, so the best bet is to keep out the potential infected people.

    We have that already in Canada. We have provinces with no cases. Do you think they're interested in tourism from Ontario and Quebec. Not really.

    And so with the places we love.

    So, I'm not optimistic about travel any time soon. Until there is a very effective treatment, or until vaccination is almost universal (and we don't know if or when that will happen).

    And so I'm trying to envision a retirement without travel, which for me is without sex to be blunt. Sucks. But that's how it feels to me. Guess I might have to try to work up some feelings of desire for those that might have me, grandmotherly types, whales, the twisted and entitled, and the like.

  2. #42

    Reopening of Caribbean Nations

    Here is an article from Lonely Planet detailing how and when some nations and territories in the Caribbean (Aruba, Saint Lucia, Bahamas, Antigua and Barbuda, Puerto Rico, Grenada) will open with the current COVID 19 situation:

    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/article...ource=facebook

  3. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Artisttyp  [View Original Post]
    Unless you spend your day in a surgical theater, I'd venture to say the air you breath on a commercial jet airplane will be the most germ free air you breathe all day.

  4. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeos1  [View Original Post]
    Announced apparently that international travel to Colombia will not be allowed until after the end of August.

    And perhaps similar with Argentina.
    Argentina has already announced there will be no domestic or international flights in Argentina until the end of September. Of course it is Argentina we are talking about and things could change within the hour.

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  6. #38
    Announced apparently that international travel to Colombia will not be allowed until after the end of August.

    And perhaps similar with Argentina.

    Probably opening the way for this to be the next date announced through many Latin American countries.

    Costa Rica published a long list of things that will open up over the period of a few months. But nothing about international travel there either.

  7. #37

    Italy announces plans to ease travel restrictions starting June 3

    Some hope from Italy!

    Foreign minister Luigi Di Maio indicated that Italy's eased restrictions would apply to those already in the European Union, writing on Facebook that from June 3 it will be possible "to move within E. U. States".

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9ad_story.html

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  9. #35
    Just a reminder that information on international travel is what I'm hoping for here. I'm not interested in people arguing or presenting points of view as to why it should be this way or that. Countries and governments are doing what they think they need to do and time will tell what are the best strategies. But discussion of herd immunity, "natural course" things should go, various theories relating to political agendas or even national agendas are not needed here.

    This is similar to a thread in the Colombia forum, I just thought a thread with a worldwide view of what various countries are doing and saying as far as travel is concerned might be of value to some of us who might be looking for alternative places to travel to, for example.

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  12. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Downandup  [View Original Post]
    Here's the story:

    https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020...e-if-it-works/

    Phase 1 is completed and if the trials are successful then 100 million doses will be made by September with the UK getting 30 million.
    Right. Thanks for the link. The other information that I found was that the Phase 1 testing (animal tests) were at first said to have great results, but the actual data was released it was not so great. Anyway, the ITV report was a "feel good" story for the British. Hopefully this vaccine performs in human trials and if so could be released to the British within some months. If the early results of human trials are promising it would make sense for the company to start building up supplies. It takes time to produce vaccines because they are "grown" not mixed up in a vat, so having it on hand in case it is effective is a great idea if the company has the resources to do that.

  13. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeos1  [View Original Post]
    Looking for that information. Basically animal trials are done, and phase 1 human trials are about to start. But a long ways from that to commercial production, but I'll keep looking.

    Normally human trials take a few years since they are looking for negative effects in short and long term. And only in Phase 3 do they test it against the actual virus.

    Anyway, I know a lot of this is being fast tracked, but it still seems unlikely to be that soon.
    Here's the story:

    https://www.itv.com/news/anglia/2020...e-if-it-works/

    Phase 1 is completed and if the trials are successful then 100 million doses will be made by September with the UK getting 30 million.

  14. #31

    Disregard this post

    Deleted post because the link didn't work

  15. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Zeos1  [View Original Post]
    Looking for that information. Basically animal trials are done, and phase 1 human trials are about to start. But a long ways from that to commercial production, but I'll keep looking.

    Normally human trials take a few years since they are looking for negative effects in short and long term. And only in Phase 3 do they test it against the actual virus.

    Anyway, I know a lot of this is being fast tracked, but it still seems unlikely to be that soon.
    I did find some more info on it. Seems like it didn't actually prevent infection in the animal trials. The actual data and information from the animal trials was released later than the original story and hype. The hope it that it can at least help reduce the severity of the infection. Or. There is still a possibility that it could work better in humans than in the animal trial. Phase 1 human trials are starting. The company was going to prepare some quantity of it basically "in case it works". But the earliest is around the end of the year.

  16. #29

    70 Percent total Herd minimum.

    Would booster be required or just a single dose, many questions. 30 million a good start to reaching the billions capacity needed for the whole herd.

    Quote Originally Posted by Downandup  [View Original Post]
    UK government plans to have 30 million doses of a vaccine ready in September if the Oxford trial is successful.

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