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  1. #653
    Quote Originally Posted by AndalusExpat  [View Original Post]
    Big arses on girls? The Spanish like big arsed girls. Hence the proliferation of silicone enhancements. The metric you're using is your personal metric. You're 9 will be someone else's 6.
    Agreed, and someone else's 6 might be a 9 for me. It is the beauty of the sport. Eye of the beholder and all that. You don't get that many Spanish customers in E92 or Scandalos any more. Oh sure a few sit in the casino area of 92 and enjoy the sites over their one coffee and one beer in 4 hours. But 99% of the paying punters in these clubs are not Spanish. The clubs cater for wealthy tourists. The reason you see the very fat asses in Scanadalos (far less in E92) is that the Moroccan young guys with the cash love the bit booties.

  2. #652
    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    I'm afraid this is partly just pandemic and now world economy driven. Everything is getting more expensive and many of the girls have debts after not being able to work (much) during lockdowns etc. So prices have increased. If you go to the FKK threads you'll see similar debates regarding rates in Germany getting higher.

    I'm not sure I agree that the quality in Scandalos is better. There are a lot of girls there who are very fat or have enormous bums. If that's your thing that's great. But they are huge! Yes there are several 9's, but as you say, there are some at E92 also.

    I doubt we will see falls in prices any time soon. There are enough people willing to pay the higher prices so no need for them to drop lower. It will even out. They know what prices they can get and when the customers stop going (if the prices get too high) they will reduce to attract custom. Part of the problem is that a lot of clients had a lot of cash in their pockets after the pandemic. And having been locked up wanted to spent it. And party. This also assisted prices increases. They are not going to reduce any time soon.
    I suppose one could call this a club report, since I was in Carvajal last night with a Brasilian puta & everything else being so quiet we thought we'd go have a drink in Estark. I'm sure the club don't like me doing this but who gives a toss? Seemed fairly busy. She chatted with a couple of the other Brasilians. They were telling her the punters are hard work to get any money out of. It's just about worthwhile working there. They were quizzing her about other opportunities. But it's no better outside. Why she was out for dinner with me rather than working. You're right about the prices. Girl's incomes got a caning during Covid & they're trying to make up lost ground. They're just trying it far too soon. This season really hasn't got off the ground. Looking at the street outside my town centre apartment around midnight at the weekend, it was virtually deserted. And this is the main shopping road a short walk from the beach. In '19 it was jostling with people headed away from the area's numerous restaurants or towards the night life. What tourists I am seeing about are in the retired age group. A distinct absence of lads from the northern countries down for a Med jolly. The cleverer girls work on their own have been reducing prices & benefiting by doing so. Whether that competition seeps into the clubs is another matter.

    Big arses on girls? The Spanish like big arsed girls. Hence the proliferation of silicone enhancements. The metric you're using is your personal metric. You're 9 will be someone else's 6. For reference, my Brasilian (Bahia, coffee coloured, pretty without slap, 30 years real) is slender with small naturals & delightful little arse. Also enormous fun to be around if you don't mind foregoing a lot of sleep. She generally does better with foreign clients.

  3. #651
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    It is a rip off. The problem is that there are people who pay such rates without any problems, and that's the problem, once the girls have clients who are willing to pay 200 an hour, they won't accept 150 anymore.
    Now scandalo is much better in terms of quality, many 9's. Thats not to say that you can't find a 9 in estark, it is just that the overall quality is really better in scandalo, but expect 300 e an hour and 30 for sheets. I know you can say no to that, but many 9's will simply say you either pay the 30 or I go with another client. And yes there are clients who wouldn't mind paying 500 e an hour so 30 more doesn't change anything for them. I even heard that one was even asking for 350 an hour and the guy paid, so be careful not to pay these rates.
    I'm afraid this is partly just pandemic and now world economy driven. Everything is getting more expensive and many of the girls have debts after not being able to work (much) during lockdowns etc. So prices have increased. If you go to the FKK threads you'll see similar debates regarding rates in Germany getting higher.

    I'm not sure I agree that the quality in Scandalos is better. There are a lot of girls there who are very fat or have enormous bums. If that's your thing that's great. But they are huge! Yes there are several 9's, but as you say, there are some at E92 also.

    I doubt we will see falls in prices any time soon. There are enough people willing to pay the higher prices so no need for them to drop lower. It will even out. They know what prices they can get and when the customers stop going (if the prices get too high) they will reduce to attract custom. Part of the problem is that a lot of clients had a lot of cash in their pockets after the pandemic. And having been locked up wanted to spent it. And party. This also assisted prices increases. They are not going to reduce any time soon.

  4. #650
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    Paying that kind of money in Spain would be a total rip-off! Why? In Germany, for that price, I can procure an hour of sex for that with BBBJ, CIM, and butt sex. I could get that for $100 less per hour in Brazil! Whereas, so many girls in Spain want to do CBJs (I refuse), won't take CIM, and definitely won't cornhole. I'm not saying you can't find it all in Spain, but it's at a level of effort I don't have to put up with in Germany and Brazil where I can more routinely get value for my money. And now, here comes annoying new legislation on the horizon in Spain. The Iberian peninsula remains absent from my monger travel plans. Too bad too since I otherwise enjoy vacationing in that country.
    It is a rip off. The problem is that there are people who pay such rates without any problems, and that's the problem, once the girls have clients who are willing to pay 200 an hour, they won't accept 150 anymore. The notion that estark is 150 e an hour is simply wrong (a few days ago I was there again and, not even one was interested in it, maybe very bad looking ones accept that because they have no clients, even tho they are more interested in drunk tourist who have no idea about what they are doing), most of them in estark want 200 an hour plus 20 for BBBJ if they do it, now maybe they give you a discount if you are their regular or buy 2,3 hours rooms as payforit says. Estark is quite busy and the good looking ones are making good money but I feel that the level of service has dropped.

    Now scandalo is much better in terms of quality, many 9's. Thats not to say that you can't find a 9 in estark, it is just that the overall quality is really better in scandalo, but expect 300 e an hour and 30 for sheets. I know you can say no to that, but many 9's will simply say you either pay the 30 or I go with another client. And yes there are clients who wouldn't mind paying 500 e an hour so 30 more doesn't change anything for them. I even heard that one was even asking for 350 an hour and the guy paid, so be careful not to pay these rates.

  5. #649

    That's right!

    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    Spending an entire day around a swimming pool with nearly 100 naked women (FKK Oase yesterday), playing soccer, table tennis and basketball with 5 or 6 very pretty young naked girls. And sunbathing with 2 one 3 of them rubbing the oil in. Everywhere. It makes the Spanish clubs very very boring indeed! I love Spain as a country. It knocks spots of Germany for me (maybe Munich and Hamburg excluded, and actually Bad Homburg is lovely), and I shall indeed return this year to sample my favourites at E92. But on a hot summers day there is just no beating the whole FKK experience. Pool party all day at Oase Saturday. You should come! There was sweetcorn on the menu at the outdoor BBQ by the pool. And I know how much you love your corn! LOL!
    And this all contributes to getting that value for your money that I'm oft to talk about. And yes again, I'm quite the connoisseur of the cornhole! Hahaha!
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  6. #648
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    Paying that kind of money in Spain would be a total rip-off! Why? In Germany, for that price, I can procure an hour of sex for that with BBBJ, CIM, and butt sex. I could get that for $100 less per hour in Brazil! Whereas, so many girls in Spain want to do CBJs (I refuse), won't take CIM, and definitely won't cornhole. I'm not saying you can't find it all in Spain, but it's at a level of effort I don't have to put up with in Germany and Brazil where I can more routinely get value for my money. And now, here comes annoying new legislation on the horizon in Spain. The Iberian peninsula remains absent from my monger travel plans. Too bad too since I otherwise enjoy vacationing in that country.
    All fair comments. I'm mid FKK trip and have had rooms for 150/ hour (and even 40 for 30 minutes!) with BBBJ. As you know, CIM 50 extra and your wonderfully described "cornhole" 100 more! I am no anal fan but temptation to ask a girl tonight for cornhole his just overwhelming. LOL!

    E92 won't get to 300/ you. As reported previously, there are many there who will do standard 150/ hour with BBBJ if they get to know you. But that requires at least a couple of visits in the club rather than one. I have done all the maths before. There really isn't much in at all all. Take a standard night at say Sharks. 65 entry. Ignore own drinks as you pay for you own in both countries. Ignore even girl drinks (I find in FKKs it's not easy to get them to partake as they don't get a commission on it and it makes them tired). Room for an hour. Sharks - 150 with BBBJ from 80% of the girls but this example was any of the FKKs in Hamburg (Atmos / Harmony) or Bavaria, or Samya (see report this week), you would have to pay 20 more for BBBJ. It's 100 more for anal in FKK and 50 CIM. So now your entry, one hour, one room, BBBJ, CIM and anal just cost you a total of 365 euros and that assumes the BBBJ was not charged for. Same hour in Artemis 10 more. Sunshine 50 more (Munich). That's an expensive room! Ok you got a meal for free! Spain is a different model. No entry fees (most places or 10 e with ticket for a beer). Many places the girls won't do the extras (as you correctly stated). But E92 standard price 150/ hour. Scandalos 250 though 200 common. If you pay more then for cornhole and CIM (if they do either) it takes you back up to the sort of cash you spent in an hour in FKK.

    There is a main difference though. Spending an entire day around a swimming pool with nearly 100 naked women (FKK Oase yesterday), playing soccer, table tennis and basketball with 5 or 6 very pretty young naked girls. And sunbathing with 2 one 3 of them rubbing the oil in. Everywhere. It makes the Spanish clubs very very boring indeed! I love Spain as a country. It knocks spots of Germany for me (maybe Munich and Hamburg excluded, and actually Bad Homburg is lovely), and I shall indeed return this year to sample my favourites at E92. But on a hot summers day there is just no beating the whole FKK experience. Pool party all day at Oase Saturday. You should come! There was sweetcorn on the menu at the outdoor BBQ by the pool. And I know how much you love your corn! LOL!

  7. #647

    Rip-off!

    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    I also really hope that they don't start charging 300 euros an hour, because it seems that it is on that path.
    Paying that kind of money in Spain would be a total rip-off! Why? In Germany, for that price, I can procure an hour of sex for that with BBBJ, CIM, and butt sex. I could get that for $100 less per hour in Brazil! Whereas, so many girls in Spain want to do CBJs (I refuse), won't take CIM, and definitely won't cornhole. I'm not saying you can't find it all in Spain, but it's at a level of effort I don't have to put up with in Germany and Brazil where I can more routinely get value for my money. And now, here comes annoying new legislation on the horizon in Spain. The Iberian peninsula remains absent from my monger travel plans. Too bad too since I otherwise enjoy vacationing in that country.

  8. #646
    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for a good field report. Who did you repeat with?

    I suspect you got charged the extra 20 for BBBJ and DFK because you only took 30 minutes. You will still find a lot of girls in the club who will still do 150/60 minutes with those services included (provided you know them / they know you). The other thing is that with now over 126 rooms rented in the club by girls (I a told this is the highest ever number since the club opened) competition is high so there should be some great deals to be had even with the good looking girls. There are some, e. G. Christina, who will not budge from her 200/60 price but all of the Ina / Beatrice / Veronica / Alicia group will happily do 150/60 (and the 10 for the sheets).

    It makes 30 min sessions uneconomical - 75+20+10 = 105 for 30 minutes. You get an extra 30 for only 45 euros!

    I agree some of the girls just wait to prey on drunk tourists. But that happens in clubs worldwide. What is clear is that business is booming in the clubs this year. E92 is clearing over 50,000 euros per week in accommodation fees alone before it sells a single drink / revenues from towels / casino etc. I just hope they don't follow the Scandalos model of allowing the girls to go crazy with pricing. I know the policy is very much that the girl is a hotel tenant / can charge what she wants, but truth is that the club does get involved in mediating disputes between clients and the girls, hence no reason to make clear that silly hiking of prices will mean rooms will not be let out to those found to be doing it. Occupation is close to capacity now other than the suites. So any girl representing trouble / breaking with policy too much will find herself having to look for a new club.
    I also really hope that they don't start charging 300 euros an hour, because it seems that it is on that path.

    I repeated with Ina, even tho the service was really good but I left thinking that only a few months ago this was 75 euros and actually better service. I think too much work also makes them tired and less willing to please, because they are just thinking about going back down to the bar and get another client.

  9. #645
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Went on a Tuesday, about 70-80 girls were working (was told that more than 100 are currently at the club) , many guys around in the disco area but was told that there is not enough work for all of them. Spotted about a dozen who were 7 or more, but depends on your taste really, I am really picky tho.

    Approached 3 , 4 of them (never had seen them before so I think they were new as they didn't speak english nor spanish well) none of them was willing to give BBBJ, DFK. That was really disappointing because it was the first time I was told no to BBBJ in estark (always got DFK at estark too but I know some may not accept it). So went around the club to find another one, it was obvious that the not so good looking ones were willing to give those services but I was not interested in them. So decided to repeat a session with one of the popular girls at estark (I usually don't repeat as I like to change every time to experience new things) . So was told that the rate is now 100/30 min,+10 for sheets. Payforit had said that here so not surprised, but then another 20 for BBBJ and no DFK. (it was 75/30 min with the same girl including BBBJ and DFK just a few months ago). It is understandable that they have upped the price as it is summer and inflation and etc. But what was not fine for me is that you increase the price and then are going to offer less services for the higher rate.

    It is great to have many working in estark, more girls than 2007 or 8 when it was booming, but I think the problem is that most just want drunk tourists in order to earn more and offer less. Because many tourists just get there drunk and don't ask for services and just go up and pay. Lets hope it doesn't stay this way.
    Thanks for a good field report. Who did you repeat with?

    I suspect you got charged the extra 20 for BBBJ and DFK because you only took 30 minutes. You will still find a lot of girls in the club who will still do 150/60 minutes with those services included (provided you know them / they know you). The other thing is that with now over 126 rooms rented in the club by girls (I a told this is the highest ever number since the club opened) competition is high so there should be some great deals to be had even with the good looking girls. There are some, e. G. Christina, who will not budge from her 200/60 price but all of the Ina / Beatrice / Veronica / Alicia group will happily do 150/60 (and the 10 for the sheets).

    It makes 30 min sessions uneconomical - 75+20+10 = 105 for 30 minutes. You get an extra 30 for only 45 euros!

    I agree some of the girls just wait to prey on drunk tourists. But that happens in clubs worldwide. What is clear is that business is booming in the clubs this year. E92 is clearing over 50,000 euros per week in accommodation fees alone before it sells a single drink / revenues from towels / casino etc. I just hope they don't follow the Scandalos model of allowing the girls to go crazy with pricing. I know the policy is very much that the girl is a hotel tenant / can charge what she wants, but truth is that the club does get involved in mediating disputes between clients and the girls, hence no reason to make clear that silly hiking of prices will mean rooms will not be let out to those found to be doing it. Occupation is close to capacity now other than the suites. So any girl representing trouble / breaking with policy too much will find herself having to look for a new club.

  10. #644

    Estark

    Went on a Tuesday, about 70-80 girls were working (was told that more than 100 are currently at the club) , many guys around in the disco area but was told that there is not enough work for all of them. Spotted about a dozen who were 7 or more, but depends on your taste really, I am really picky tho.

    Approached 3 , 4 of them (never had seen them before so I think they were new as they didn't speak english nor spanish well) none of them was willing to give BBBJ, DFK. That was really disappointing because it was the first time I was told no to BBBJ in estark (always got DFK at estark too but I know some may not accept it). So went around the club to find another one, it was obvious that the not so good looking ones were willing to give those services but I was not interested in them. So decided to repeat a session with one of the popular girls at estark (I usually don't repeat as I like to change every time to experience new things) . So was told that the rate is now 100/30 min,+10 for sheets. Payforit had said that here so not surprised, but then another 20 for BBBJ and no DFK. (it was 75/30 min with the same girl including BBBJ and DFK just a few months ago). It is understandable that they have upped the price as it is summer and inflation and etc. But what was not fine for me is that you increase the price and then are going to offer less services for the higher rate.

    It is great to have many working in estark, more girls than 2007 or 8 when it was booming, but I think the problem is that most just want drunk tourists in order to earn more and offer less. Because many tourists just get there drunk and don't ask for services and just go up and pay. Lets hope it doesn't stay this way.

  11. #643

    Estark

    Has anyone been to estark recently? Who is the most beautiful one there at the moment?

  12. #642

    Scandalos May 2022

    My one and only visit this trip. Midweek. Line up was decent but not amazing. 90% of the girls from South America or Dom Republic. Contemplated another round with Anna (blonde Ro) and Mayte (also blonde Ro with gym body) but ended up with longtime fav Lorena. Small blonde Ro- very pretty 9/10. I obviously prefer EE girls! It's the big butts on the latinas that puts me off. To each their own. The club was pretty busy by 12.30 but not as busy as E92 weekends. Probably not a fair comparison.

    Room charge is still 30/ hour. And I still refuse to pay it. Drinks. Beer 12 euros, wine a crazy 15 per glass. Girl drinks 50.

    Settled on 400 for 2 hours with Lorena provided she paid the room so she made 340 for 2 hours. That is actually less than a lot of girls in E92 are now making as the guy only has to pay 10 for the room. Speaking to several girls it seems that the drift to E92 may continue but it's actually not that different in terms of what the girls make in each club.

    That's likely to be my last club visit for a couple of months on the CDS now as I leave on Thursday, and am not likely to be back here until late July, Look forward to hearing updates from others.

  13. #641
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Who is valentina? Slim? Have you tried her?

    Any other news? Thanks.
    No not especially slim. Pretty face. Tattoos, Columbian.

    No news other than (1) separate report on Scandalos last night to follow (2) E92 last week saw one Swedish guy turn up and order 12 (yes twelve) bottles of champagne at 400 euros a bottle. He then books three girls (Ina, Beatrice and Veronica) for 4 hours. So in total spends nearly 7000 euros. Wait for it. He proceeded to repeat that routine four nights running! Wow. Just shows that there is obviously some heavy money out there. Good luck to him but especially happy for these lovely ladies.

  14. #640
    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    Didn't see any tattoos. Think you mean Valentina. Yes Christina was there in an all blue catsuit. Fairly constantly in the room again.
    Who is valentina? Slim? Have you tried her?

    Any other news? Thanks.

  15. #639
    Quote Originally Posted by Buurmanneken  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    I'm planning a visit 24-25 may in region Casares / Estepona, would like to visit some clubs, thinking of hotel Fontana (24/5) & Estark (25/5).

    I can imagine the experience is the same as / compared to (German) Saunaclubs (Sixsens in Lemiers & Saunaclub Babylon in Elsdorf? First talk about services vs prices & then room?

    Anny experiences in Glass place Estepona?

    Looking for tips for very oral oriented service (sloppy, deep BBBJ (preferably with Garg. Prof.) & eventual to be combined with "arns."
    Would not bother with Estark 95 - it is empty most nights - 6/7 girls and nothing special. Fontana is good after 11.30 currently. Line up has fluctuated in recent years (pandemic excluded) so hit and miss but you'll find someone you like. Prices are 200/ hour. 10 entry for drink. Ladies drinks 30. Yes similar to Germany though you've named 2 FKKs / Saunaclubs that I have not been too (though Sirioja has been to Sixens many times. See his reports in that forum). So I cannot say what LU is like in either but I suspect stronger than in any of the clubs at that end of the CDS you are visiting.

    GP in Estepona is some journey for you if in Casares. Prices start 200/ hour but some girls now wanting 250. Lady drinks 30 or 50. Usually no more than 10 girls of which one or two are 7/10. Not seen an 8/10 there for some time.

    Have fun and please do report.

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