Costa Del Sol Club Club Reports only

[Qazwsx5]

Disco part in estark is open again, Friday night at 1,00 quite busy, quality quite good.

[Werqweq]

I took a decision about 18 months ago to abandon the Spanish threads due to the silly childish school playground type sniping.

I'm sure that most of us here greatly enjoy your contributions, though it's unfortunately much easier to just think "that was interesting", than to reply with a compliment, especially if you don't have anything more useful to say than "that was interesting".

In the perhaps 10-12 times I've gone to estark92 the last 3-4 years I've only once had what I'd rate as a good experience (some newish girl around 25 years old from some south american country I no longer remember what was). Except for that I had one ok experience, had two bad ones, and the rest of the times I didn't even see anybody I'd like to bang. Too old, too fat, or not pretty. Also having to always confirm BJ without condom first is a turn-off. Even my one good experience was nothing more than what would have been an average experience in other countries, so hard to motivate myself for even the 10 minute drive.

Since I'm not interested in partying or drinking with p4 p-girls either, the casas or the freelancers would be much more suitable for me, but after some half-decent experiences there initially, I've given up on those too after too many photoshopped photos, or just plain bait and switch. The spanish forum (lumismalaga) has considerable more activity (anything is considerably more than the zero here is of course "considerably more" but there too good experiences are far in between, and would probably be even worse for me as I find the common Spanish preference for what to me is just fat, large-assed women disgusting, and the few times I've went to a "casa", that is all I saw. Mostly far too old for me to be interested in paying too.

Since I live here I keep an eye on this thread, hoping somebody will report some good experiences which will make me want to take the 10 minute drive to estark again, so do hope you post again next time you're visiting.

[Werqweq]

I'm fascinated Mr Cane. Do you think you could enlighten us where these "reports of distinction" are? The only one I can find for you for Spain was one you authored yourself way back in 2018 where you linked to your own posts. Are we therefore to presume that you author only "reports of distinction", leaving the mundane for lesser beings?

Well, I had to have a good laugh at that one. Argumentative nonsense aside, I'd nominate the post above to a "funnies of distinction", if there was such a category here.

[PayForIt]

I've given up on doing reports. The last actual report on the CDS main board is Jummy from before Christmas. If I'm not benefitting from other people's reports, why should I bother? I always thought point of posting here was other people should benefit from the posts. I don't find PayForIt constantly rubbishing everything here apart from a couple of puti clubs particularly beneficial. Tens of thousands of punters here can't all be wrong, can they? If he can't hack it here, it's his problem.

A few points. Firstly, you do not, and I believe have NEVER posted a report in THIS thread - the CLUB REPORTS ONLY thread, about an encounter you've had with a girl in a CLUB (the trick is in the name of the thread!)

For year's you've been writing reports rubbishing anything and anyone to do with the clubs, from the girls, the club owner and the "low information" punters who use them. Entirely fine for you to not like clubs, or, to use your term "cannot hack them". But in which case, don't post in this thread at all as you have nothing to report because you don't use clubs for your enjoyment.

I very very rarely report now in the main CDS thread as it’s become a thread for reports which are NOT about clubs. I think over the years you have frequently reported in that main thread in a way which will have been highly beneficial to those who frequent it. You clearly know a lot about agencies in Spain, how they operate, private villas etc. So your reports are valuable in that thread. But you have no experience to report on about attending all of the clubs on the CDS and actually taking girls to rooms. That was demonstrated days ago when you commented that anyone taking a girl to a room for 200 euros was crazy. This after you had alleged I was a low information punter. But that comment was ironic - it demonstrated your total ignorance of the current price regimes in CDS Clubs, where 200/hour is not crazy. Its very very common. Other than Cleofas, 200 is about standard in nearly every other club on the coast. From Fontana in LOS Barrios, through Glass Palace Estepona, to E92 and until its demise Scandalos (300+). So you are not qualified to comment on the club scene as you don't use it. I'm not qualified to report on the escorts scene as I won't use it due to the horrendous bait and switch. You believe that's the result of a lack of knowledge and you might be right about that but I don't really care because my experience of it is such that I will never do it again.

So all in all. Better to stick to what we know best.

The Cane does have considerable experience of using clubs. Both historically in Spain (not just on CDS but Madrid etc) and in many other destinations globally including FKKs to Scandalos and other in Brazil (where he is currently located! He knows how clubs work and what the current situation is. He decided to abandon Clubs on the CDS for good reasons. You appear to have taken umbrage at me making negative comments not only about Clubs but the CDS. Sorry you don't like them but they are my thoughts. Mongers regularly share such opinions. For example it's frequently the case in the FKK forums that people ask whether it's better to visit Artemis in Berlin or any of the 5 main FKKs in Frankfurt. Responses often say that whilst there is the monopoly in Berlin (only one FKK) it's a much better City to visit for non-mongering reasons than Frankfurt with its multiple FKK options. I'm sure people in Frankfurt don't start getting upset by this!

I've commented that I'm genuinely sad to see the demise of the CDS both for mongering and as a destination generally. I am lucky to have a very nice home on the CDS so I really want it to return to former glories. I actually replied to you that I hope it makes a comeback. But I am unwilling to write false accounts suggesting it's much better than it is. You regularly criticise Spanish economic policies and attitudes. Is that you "not hacking it". So I would be delighted to be reporting on a real revival on the CDS of both Club scene and more generally about the location. It would truly benefit me. Until 2 years ago I spent more time on the CDS than anywhere else in the World. I've changed that because it doesn't warrant it now and has sadly fallen behind many other destinations on a number of fronts.

I don't comment on your posts in the main thread. Without being unkind, I rarely even read them or anyone else's posts in that thread as I'm not interested in the main thread as it doesn't cater for my preference which, as you know, is Clubs. I don't therefore venture to be an expert in things I don't know much about. But you seem to be very interested in making comments in the Club Reports Only thread despite being someone who self-admittedly dislikes clubs, thinks they are overpriced, that the girls are terrible in standard (despite many posts to the contrary) etc. There are people who post helpful reports in this thread like Qaz5.

Only last week you were rightly criticised by another member of the thread here (Werqweq) for the manner of your response to me. I posted a jocular comment about us finally agreeing on something last week (peace) and reaching a truce. Your response? More bile and nonsense about me being a "low information" punter when the truth is that I probably have known as much information about clubs on the CDS in the last 10 years than anyone who has ever posted in this threat. Such knowledge being recognised in the Reports of Distinction thread which you again admit you've never made it to! My knowledge of the club scene in CDS cannot be considered "low information" with any sense of credibility. But it's definitely on the wane. Because I'm not visiting enough to maintain it due to the demise of the CDS which you actually agreed about a week ago. Only to now asset that I cannot "hack" it. You couldn’t make this up!

If any of this mattered at all (to any of us) it would have value. Truth is that we all have better things to do with our time and lives.

I think it's a shame if you decide not to report in the main thread and share your knowledge of villas and escorts which appears to be far from "low information". But it's up to you. I do wonder though why you visit the threads at all if you've made a decision not to report. Do you just enjoy the silly spats? I think I might have more respect for you if you admitted that that was the real reason you come into these threads!

Your post I'm responding now to, in summary, amounts to you getting nothing out of the threads, nobody reports anymore so you won't report yourself. Wonderful. Why visit the threads at all?

I took a decision about 18 months ago to abandon the Spanish threads due to the silly childish school playground type sniping. I continued to attend Clubs on the CDS and occasionally when looking at ISG on other threads where I was visiting or located got PMs by mongers who know I know the CDS club scene asking questions I answered. But I stopped posting due to the childish back-biting. It was very nice of many guys to contact me to say they missed my reports. They seemingly didn't find them low information.

I decided recently to rejoin the fray again.

What a terrible mistake!

I thought we might be getting somewhere.

We're not.

A similar level of immaturity and childish commentary still sadly exists in this thread - be that from the odd wholly unwarranted attack of the type Werqweq criticised, or the (mainly amusing) snipes Jummy 1 comes out with (I particularly enjoyed Fullofit! - excellent) which usually get taken down by Admin due to breaches of rules!
They are funny whilst they manage to stay up though!

Why don't we strike a Trump / Putin deal here? As you and Jummy have absolutely nothing to report on positively about clubs (and have little experience of them other than "went in for 10 minutes and it was awful" and NEVER report on taking a girl to a room, what she was like etc), then why not just stay out of this thread entirely and don't comment on things you know nothing about. Simultaneously, I will follow suit and avoid the main thread entirely (as I have nothing to offer in that thread other than an occasional trip to a massage place).

I'm hoping for a sensible response (and perhaps a short-lived reposte from Jumbled 1!).
If we cannot "agree to disagree" then I bid you and Jummy farewell and will just block you both so I simply cannot see what you write in future which tends (at least in this thread) to be a mix of hopelessly useless information or insults. Let's both stick to what we know. Please don’t write a response about your knowledge of the CDS club scene in the 1970s and 80s. You might have “hacked it” back then, but for your own reasons you don’t visit clubs now to partake in our sport, haven’t done so for years (or at least never reported on doing so) and so let the threads be for up to date information (low or high!) from people who know what the situation actually is. You posted a sensationalist comment about a police “raid” at E92 recently which “cannot be good”. It demonstrated a total lack of knowledge about how the police interact with Clubs in Spain. Even Jummy knew it was normal to have the occasional visit! So I’m hoping we aren’t treated to nonsense about your Clubs expertise as it is likely to be very much historical rather than current.

You are a clearly intelligent man, well travelled, and knowledgeable about non-club related mongering on the CDS. You stick to that, and leave those of us interested in Clubs only to report in this thread - the Club Reports Only thread.

[The Cane]

No. I'm genuinely interested. If you have so many reports of distinction I might learn something. Reports of distinction are for specific countries. That's a lot of countries to look through. Over 100? I've been back through your posts (there are a lot) & the only reports I can find. Reports of encounters with putas rather than general comments related to other's posts. Are some for Madrid in 2018. You visited a couple of clubs. So what am I missing?

You are entirely correct. I have never been awarded a report of distinction. I have however submitted a fair number of reports on encounters with girls. And received PM's of thanks for them. I generally will only report on one girl the once. Since that will contain the info on her should anyone want to meet her. I suppose there's about 50 of them back to 2018. I generally don't report on second encounters or girls turn out as not worth the bother or are leaving the area soon. No point. I do occasionally report on girls best avoided. That said, despite meeting numerous new girls over the past few months, I've given up on doing reports. The last actual report on the CDS main board is Jummy from before Christmas. If I'm not benefitting from other people's reports, why should I bother? I always thought point of posting here was other people should benefit from the posts. I don't find PayForIt constantly rubbishing everything here apart from a couple of puti clubs particularly beneficial. Tens of thousands of punters here can't all be wrong, can they? If he can't hack it here, it's his problem.

You're right. I've been around on this and other sites for at least a couple of decades. That's a lot of posts. I've been to over 50 countries on 5 continents and mongered in many of those places. And I've written a lot of reports. But you know what? Let's keep the subject where this started. The current tensions here are not about me. They aren't about PFI either. No, it's as Werqweq wrote. It's the impolite and insulting way in which you address people in this thread. Like is commonly said, it's possible to disagree without being disagreeable! You know, that would really help a lot! But the thing I have to keep wondering about is why do you keep posting in this thread anyway? I can only conclude that it's just agitate. You moaned and complained about everybody talking about the clubs all the time and why didn't people talk about the other options in Spain. If that was so missing why didn't you seize that mantle yourself instead of just complaining about it? Well, PFI created this thread for those of us who like the club scene, and what did you do? You started frequenting and posting in here on a subject you said you didn't want to hear about! Why? I can only conclude it's just to try to get people wound up. In any event, I'm done dealing with you and Jummy too. You want to read some of my most recent stuff? Then check out the Brazil threads. I'm here now and having a blast! And at least one member has put some of my "spot reports" into the RODs. You can agree. You can disagree. But I don't care. Somebody else thinks so, and it is what it is. Hasta luego!

[Andalus Expat]

If you're too lazy and or don't know how to use the site that's your problem. And since you apparently don't like to read my reports anyway what do you care? We aren't finding any RODs from you. That's for darn sure! There's no mistaking that. If you don't like what I write about, then put me on ignore and don't read it. Simple as that.

No. I'm genuinely interested. If you have so many reports of distinction I might learn something. Reports of distinction are for specific countries. That's a lot of countries to look through. Over 100? I've been back through your posts (there are a lot) & the only reports I can find. Reports of encounters with putas rather than general comments related to other's posts. Are some for Madrid in 2018. You visited a couple of clubs. So what am I missing?

You are entirely correct. I have never been awarded a report of distinction. I have however submitted a fair number of reports on encounters with girls. And received PM's of thanks for them. I generally will only report on one girl the once. Since that will contain the info on her should anyone want to meet her. I suppose there's about 50 of them back to 2018. I generally don't report on second encounters or girls turn out as not worth the bother or are leaving the area soon. No point. I do occasionally report on girls best avoided. That said, despite meeting numerous new girls over the past few months, I've given up on doing reports. The last actual report on the CDS main board is Jummy from before Christmas. If I'm not benefitting from other people's reports, why should I bother? I always thought point of posting here was other people should benefit from the posts. I don't find PayForIt constantly rubbishing everything here apart from a couple of puti clubs particularly beneficial. Tens of thousands of punters here can't all be wrong, can they? If he can't hack it here, it's his problem.

[The Cane]

I'm fascinated Mr Cane. Do you think you could enlighten us where these "reports of distinction" are? The only one I can find for you for Spain was one you authored yourself way back in 2018 where you linked to your own posts. Are we therefore to presume that you author only "reports of distinction", leaving the mundane for lesser beings?

If you're too lazy and or don't know how to use the site that's your problem. And since you apparently don't like to read my reports anyway what do you care? We aren't finding any RODs from you. That's for darn sure! There's no mistaking that. If you don't like what I write about, then put me on ignore and don't read it. Simple as that.

[Andalus Expat]

Seems to me that plenty of people are interested in what I have to say since I have posts in Reports of Distinction for countries all over the world, including Spain. The same cannot be said for you (or Andalus Expat). Until your overall contributions match mine, which is never, I suggest that you cease and desist.

I'm fascinated Mr Cane. Do you think you could enlighten us where these "reports of distinction" are? The only one I can find for you for Spain was one you authored yourself way back in 2018 where you linked to your own posts. Are we therefore to presume that you author only "reports of distinction", leaving the mundane for lesser beings?

[Jummy1]

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[Qazwsx5]

Visited estark Saturday night, it was okish quality, 6,7 good looking out of 30 , it was quite early tho, about 21:00 , mostly brazilian for some unknown reasons. Bianca, payforit favorite was there also but didn't see the rest.

The club door is shut and you must go through the caisno door, not sure why the club is shut ATM, maybe because of what AE said a few days ago.

[The Cane]

No one here is interested. I suggest you desist.

Seems to me that plenty of people are interested in what I have to say since I have posts in Reports of Distinction for countries all over the world, including Spain. The same cannot be said for you (or Andalus Expat). Until your overall contributions match mine, which is never, I suggest that you cease and desist.

[PayForIt]

Please clear out some PMs from your inbox. I've been trying to message you but can't due to your box being full.

Sorted. Sorry!

[Andalus Expat]

Oh dear. I see our "peace" is of the Putin variety! Its not that I'm a "low information" punter. It's that we are comparing apples with pears. You know from many past exchanges that I simply will not use indies / escort sites because the bait and switch is horrendous. There are MANY places on CDS now where over 200/ hour is perfectly normal. The villas alongside the old Miladys Palace are 250. Milayds before closing reached 350. Scandalos was 300 or 350/ hour. Fontana is 200/ hour. E92 is 200/ hour and has been for a long time. Glass Palace Estepona 250/ hour. Most of the best tantric massage places now are 160/ hour.

I've made very very clear repeatedly that I want to choose a lady based upon optics when she is actually in front of me. Not from some website when she looks stunning but turns up, is 45 years old and fat. I've tried them and sadly never again. Yep there are some decent villas. A lot of them now not far off 200/ hour.

Far from being "low information" I probably know more about the Club scene along the CDS than most! But its not your scene. That's why I created the Club Reports only forum. The trick is in the name CLUB reports. Not on your friends villa, or indies. CLUBS. And my friend, I can tell you (with good information not low information) that the CLUBS that exist on the CDS now rarely have prices below 200. Cleofas (Campamento) is 150. Great fun but older ladies and not slim / optiks. Finding a very attractive lady IN A CLUB on CDS wanting less than 200 is not easy now!

So its not a question of not "knowing any better". I know my scene. Clubs. You don't know that scene. Or if you did, you wouldn't be writing that 200/ hour is odd. It is very normal in most clubs and cheap in some of them! When you say "nobody pays 200 per hour for 3 hours" I gave you an actual example of a Spanish punter who just paid 1000!

So the "nobody" isn't right. I have no idea if he considers he has sense or not. You clearly think he doesn't. But its all relative. Maybe he is SO wealthy that 1000 for that VIP suite was nothing to him. I know plenty of guys who think 200/ hour isn't anything odd. Most of the FKK clubs in FRA now the girls want 200/ hour. You'll find the odd older or uglier one at 150. Prices have changed in clubs. This level of pricing is now standard. So for those who like, as I do, selecting from girls in a club, face to face, this level has become "normal".

If I asked you what was the amount you last paid for an hour in a club I doubt you would be able to answer unless it was years ago. Because you don't pay for girls in clubs. So you wouldn't know. Now does that make you (rather than me) the "low information" punter. Baring in mind we are in the CLUB REPORTS ONLY forum?

Is the truce over or are we friends again? LOL

As Werqweq commented. No need for rudeness. Not least as I was being polite.

You said "the mongering needs to be not only available, but really good" It is. The scene you say you're the expert on is couple of hundred girls out of thousands work on the CDS. And what expertise is needed? Isn't that the point of clubs? No expertise is needed. As for "bait & switch", the experienced punter largely avoids it. Checking photos against TInEye is a first precaution for false photos. And "If it looks too good to be true it probably is. " is another. But part of actual punting expertise is to be able to tell the genuine adverts from the false. That comes from experience. And the girls aren't very clever with their advertising. There are thousands of guys doing this & having a good time. And they're not paying 200 an hour. Don't forget it's you who are setting the prices in clubs not the girls. They charge that because you are willing to pay it. If you didn't, they couldn't. Simple as that.

The rest of us are having a whale of a time. A sample can be found on the local Spanish language forum, often a couple dozen encounters a day. Lack of paying customers is keeping prices down & making girls amenable to deals once they know you.

Mr Werqweq, There aren't many girls under 25 in the game. If they told you they were, they most likely lied. Few women get into this because they want to. They do it because they ran out of options & women under 25 are mostly still exploring the options. Being a club girl is one of the worst ones. Few girls will do it for long if at all. Doing a shift perched up on heels, their backs aching & a smile plastered on repeatedly being knocked back by uninterested men isn't pleasant. And club clients are some of the worst in the business. The women have to be as tough as nails or desperate.

[The Cane]

Please clear out some PMs from your inbox. I've been trying to message you but can't due to your box being full.

[Jummy1]

That's all I'm saying.