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  1. #895

    The CDS

    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    Sad to hear of the end of Miladys but not totally shocked. Truth is that the CDS has deteroriated both for mongering and more generally in the last few years. Gone are the glory days of Marbella (long ago) and even Puerto Banus of 15 years ago with the fabulous Navy Bar as it then was. The "Brits in the Sun" fish and chip brigade of Torremolinos and Fuengirola are now matched in Banus numbers by dubious characters, gangsters or just every stag and hen party in town. Its seedy, rowdy, dirty and feels tired. The old days of the charm of the live piano bars then capping the night off with a trip to Miladys or even the old Oasis Club in Estepona (now Glass Palace) or even Cleopatras in Nueva Andalucia have gone. Scandalos has been infested with fat ass latinas so the only viable option on the coast (for those of us who hate the major risk of bait and switch of escorts who know they just wouldn't get selected in clubs in person so resort to online) is E92 and now the new Fontana (old E95). As previously reported, whilst there are still some reasonable options neither have the Ina's, Mellissas, or Julias of back in the day. All solid 9/10's save for the incredible 10/10 Melissa.

    It's just not where its at now. Be it the changeable weather (floods in Malaga?), horrendous traffic on the A7, or just simply much better options elsewhere, the CDS has been on the skids for quite some time. Of course construction continues to boom at pace but once upon a time it was golfers paradise (and for the ladies a decent supply of victims) now its wealthy families from Russia, Scandanavia and new wealth (Koreans) and their families. And this is why the girls in all of the clubs complain about the lack of clients, lack of money, etc. The Spanish economic mentality is to put prices up to cover shortfalls rather than reduce to attract more custom. It has killed it off.

    We've seen very singificant hikes in prices of drinks and time in the room in recent years. Pre covid E92 price was 150/e in the room for one hour and 20 /e ladydrinks. I would regularly do a deal with 2 girls - (maybe 8/10's) 250 each for 2 hours and up to 4 drinks in the 2 hours as well as the one in the bar first. I was never once refused. 600 total for a real party for 2 hours. Not cheap but a great night out. Now, that same 2 hours and 5 drinks would be total 1000 euros. X2 girls x2 hours at 200 e now (800) plus x5 40 e drinks. Crazy prices. Now I struggle to find x8/10's in E92 or Scandalos. Sure there are still some viable options but I'm not mad keen on taking 2 girls any longer for these silly prices.

    For very similar money in Dubai I can go to Club Blu and take out a nailed on 10/10 Swedish model who is absolutely stunning for the entire night! Or head to Jules, Ratskys or York and take x2 solid 9/10s for maybe total 800 euros for 3 hours.

    For context here, the same 1000 euros above in E92 now for a party in Spain, I could go to Soi 6 in Pattaya Thailand and wait for this.that money equates to me taking EIGHTEEN young girls to a room. All 9/10 bodies, slim, fit, great service. I'm getting too old for 2 girls let alone that sort of party! Sure I know Thailand is cheap (though even thats increased in prices but only to about 30-40 euros for a couple of hours per lady).
    But it is a good example of how European mongering has sadly become economically dire.

    When you make the comparisons, especially with Dubai, CDS is just a very poor option. I am in Dubai now for between 2-3 months a year near Dubai Marina. The weather is guarnteed, the restaurants amazing and shopping / activities / entertainment are forever increasing and with prices for every budget. There are at least 10 decent places for mongers to choose from (more likely hundreds if the "spas" are included) with diversity of nationalities and frequently nights where you see 9/10's and the odd 10/10 and overall at substantially lower prices than the "curvy" girls in Scandalos where if you ain't careful you may get ripped for another 30 e for blankets for the room! There is just no comparison. You can stay in 5 star luxury for about the same price as some fleapit in the middle of Fuengirola (to go to E92) or Malaga Nostrum for Scandalos.

    Im truly sad to see this demise but its how life goes. Old favourites fade and are replaced by new shiny exciting options elsewhere. I've no doubt that Dubai will have its period, decline, and the best girls will move on again to wherever has become "the vibe" (silly phrase). But one thing for sure. Those glory days on the CDS have long gone.

    What a shame. Great memories but with only a few exceptions, that's all the CDS has to offer now.
    I cut the cord on the CDS several years ago. Even well before you PFI. You could just see it coming. The lack of value there for your money with the girls and clubs wanting to charge more and more without delivering more or better. I gave up on the CDS many years ago and have read nothing encouraging me to to go back. Well, happy holidays!

  2. #894
    Quote Originally Posted by Werqweq  [View Original Post]
    Maybe check out seeking next time you're here? It's not my cup of tea I've decided, without even trying, but I did have a look around before deleting my account. While not a lot of girls here, there were some who at least based on the photos looked pretty good.

    I'm following the spanish forum too, lumismalaga.com. Occasionally someone good is mentioned there, but it's pretty dry there too if what you like is young and fit.
    I would never again in my life oragnise a session with any girl I have not met personally. I'm afraid the bait and switch industry is rife and thriving. I don't mind going into one of the tantra massage places and selecting there. If no good options I leave. But taking the trouble to rake through photoshopped pics on websites only to prepare for the meet / get excited about the prospect only to find that the girl who greets you is 10 years older than described, fatter than described, nowhere near as pretty as her filtered face, is just absolutely not for me. Not when worldwide there are just so many other good amazing face to face options. Last time I was in Madrid I did Vive (again) Factory Air (surprised it is still open) and Pigmallion. Whilst I liked the food in Pigmallion the line up was dire for some incredible prices. Vive is always good but had a couple of disappointments there too.

    I'll be back to CDS early next year and will again venture to Fontana, Cleofas and Scandalos before hitting E92. I can rrattle off 7 or 8 girls I always have a good time with at E92 and who I don't have to do the laborious (as you correctly say) BBBJ interview as I have been with this small crop so many times they are fine with it. But the new talent in E92 is few and far between and it has become hit and miss. Fridays and Saturdays can be quiet and Mondays and Wednesdays busy!

    I'm increasingly using CDS as "time off" the hobby and making sure I fill my boots instead when in Thailand, Dubai, Cambodia, Fili and even the UK as well as my regular pilgrimages to FKK land (though that too has become very expensive albeit there is always a large pool of fit, pretty, young, slim optifuks so worth it for the eye candy, being surrounded by 100 naked ladies etc.

    I remember this happening to KL (Kuala Lumpur) - it lost its two best clubs in quick succession and rapidly fell off the sex travel destination list. I think Spain is heading in that direction.

  3. #893
    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    Sad to hear of the end of Miladys but not totally shocked. Truth is that the CDS has deteroriated both for mongering and more generally in the last few years. Gone are the glory days of Marbella (long ago) and even Puerto Banus of 15 years ago with the fabulous Navy Bar as it then was. The "Brits in the Sun" fish and chip brigade of Torremolinos and Fuengirola are now matched in Banus numbers by dubious characters, gangsters or just every stag and hen party in town. Its seedy, rowdy, dirty and feels tired. The old days of the charm of the live piano bars then capping the night off with a trip to Miladys or even the old Oasis Club in Estepona (now Glass Palace) or even Cleopatras in Nueva Andalucia have gone. Scandalos has been infested with fat ass latinas so the only viable option on the coast (for those of us who hate the major risk of bait and switch of escorts who know they just wouldn't get selected in clubs in person so resort to online) is E92 and now the new Fontana (old E95). As previously reported, whilst there are still some reasonable options neither have the Ina's, Mellissas, or Julias of back in the day. All solid 9/10's save for the incredible 10/10 Melissa.

    ...

    What a shame. Great memories but with only a few exceptions, that's all the CDS has to offer now.
    Maybe check out seeking next time you're here? It's not my cup of tea I've decided, without even trying, but I did have a look around before deleting my account. While not a lot of girls here, there were some who at least based on the photos looked pretty good.

    Looking forward to MS's report from Estark. Even though I live here permanently, and only a 10 m drive from estark92, I've not even bothered to drop by for almost a year now I think, and that's because the 3-4 last times I went there I did not see anyone attractive. Old, fat, ugly, or all three combined. Always having to verify in advance that BJ is without condom is boring too.

    Both Madrid and Barcelona seem to have several decent alternatives based on reports posted in those forums, so perhaps go there instead if practical.

    I'm following the spanish forum too, lumismalaga.com. Occasionally someone good is mentioned there, but it's pretty dry there too if what you like is young and fit.

  4. #892

    The demise of the CDS

    Quote Originally Posted by MagicSheep74  [View Original Post]
    Milady Palace. It has closed down, and nobody knows if it will open again.

    Found a new villa that has opened in Nueva Andalucia. Calle Alcala 15 the, Villa 12 E. - Tried it once, never again. Total tourist trap, girls unattractive. Avoid at all costs.

    Casa Masa has moved location again. They are now located at. See. Benaojan 109. Tried the new casa masa, nice looking place, but again did not see one attractive girl.

    Look like I will have to venture to 92 or Scandalo once again. Not exited about that prospect, but this dicks not going to suck itself.
    Sad to hear of the end of Miladys but not totally shocked. Truth is that the CDS has deteroriated both for mongering and more generally in the last few years. Gone are the glory days of Marbella (long ago) and even Puerto Banus of 15 years ago with the fabulous Navy Bar as it then was. The "Brits in the Sun" fish and chip brigade of Torremolinos and Fuengirola are now matched in Banus numbers by dubious characters, gangsters or just every stag and hen party in town. Its seedy, rowdy, dirty and feels tired. The old days of the charm of the live piano bars then capping the night off with a trip to Miladys or even the old Oasis Club in Estepona (now Glass Palace) or even Cleopatras in Nueva Andalucia have gone. Scandalos has been infested with fat ass latinas so the only viable option on the coast (for those of us who hate the major risk of bait and switch of escorts who know they just wouldn't get selected in clubs in person so resort to online) is E92 and now the new Fontana (old E95). As previously reported, whilst there are still some reasonable options neither have the Ina's, Mellissas, or Julias of back in the day. All solid 9/10's save for the incredible 10/10 Melissa.

    It's just not where its at now. Be it the changeable weather (floods in Malaga?), horrendous traffic on the A7, or just simply much better options elsewhere, the CDS has been on the skids for quite some time. Of course construction continues to boom at pace but once upon a time it was golfers paradise (and for the ladies a decent supply of victims) now its wealthy families from Russia, Scandanavia and new wealth (Koreans) and their families. And this is why the girls in all of the clubs complain about the lack of clients, lack of money, etc. The Spanish economic mentality is to put prices up to cover shortfalls rather than reduce to attract more custom. It has killed it off.

    We've seen very singificant hikes in prices of drinks and time in the room in recent years. Pre covid E92 price was 150/e in the room for one hour and 20 /e ladydrinks. I would regularly do a deal with 2 girls - (maybe 8/10's) 250 each for 2 hours and up to 4 drinks in the 2 hours as well as the one in the bar first. I was never once refused. 600 total for a real party for 2 hours. Not cheap but a great night out. Now, that same 2 hours and 5 drinks would be total 1000 euros. X2 girls x2 hours at 200 e now (800) plus x5 40 e drinks. Crazy prices. Now I struggle to find x8/10's in E92 or Scandalos. Sure there are still some viable options but I'm not mad keen on taking 2 girls any longer for these silly prices.

    For very similar money in Dubai I can go to Club Blu and take out a nailed on 10/10 Swedish model who is absolutely stunning for the entire night! Or head to Jules, Ratskys or York and take x2 solid 9/10s for maybe total 800 euros for 3 hours.

    For context here, the same 1000 euros above in E92 now for a “party” in Spain, I could go to Soi 6 in Pattaya Thailand and wait for this….that money equates to me taking EIGHTEEN young girls to a room. All 9/10 bodies, slim, fit, great service. I'm getting too old for 2 girls let alone that sort of party! Sure I know Thailand is cheap (though even that’s increased in prices but only to about 30-40 euros for a couple of hours per lady).
    But it is a good example of how European mongering has sadly become economically dire.

    When you make the comparisons, especially with Dubai, CDS is just a very poor option. I am in Dubai now for between 2-3 months a year near Dubai Marina. The weather is guarnteed, the restaurants amazing and shopping / activities / entertainment are forever increasing and with prices for every budget. There are at least 10 decent places for mongers to choose from (more likely hundreds if the "spas" are included) with diversity of nationalities and frequently nights where you see 9/10's and the odd 10/10 and overall at substantially lower prices than the "curvy" girls in Scandalos where if you ain't careful you may get ripped for another 30 e for blankets for the room! There is just no comparison. You can stay in 5 star luxury for about the same price as some fleapit in the middle of Fuengirola (to go to E92) or Malaga Nostrum for Scandalos.

    I’m truly sad to see this demise but its how life goes. Old favourites fade and are replaced by new shiny exciting options elsewhere. I've no doubt that Dubai will have its period, decline, and the best girls will move on again to wherever has become "the vibe" (silly phrase). But one thing for sure. Those glory days on the CDS have long gone.

    What a shame. Great memories but with only a few exceptions, that's all the CDS has to offer now.

  5. #891

    Grim News Marbella

    Milady Palace. It has closed down, and nobody knows if it will open again.

    Found a new villa that has opened in Nueva Andalucia. Calle Alcala 15 the, Villa 12 E. - Tried it once, never again. Total tourist trap, girls unattractive. Avoid at all costs.

    Casa Masa has moved location again. They are now located at. See. Benaojan 109. Tried the new casa masa, nice looking place, but again did not see one attractive girl.

    Look like I will have to venture to 92 or Scandalo once again. Not exited about that prospect, but this dicks not going to suck itself.

  6. #890
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Yes, but even tho it works as a villa in that sense, but its got big signs out there, gate always open with lights etc so it kinda feels like a club.
    It's an important distinction to understand if you're going there. Who you are dealing with The girls in clubs like Scandalos or Estark are independents paying to work there. The club is a service provided to the girls. Any girl can work there provided it has capacity. They just contact the club & book. You're dealing with the girl, not the club. In the case of Milady's, the girls actually work for the house. Milady's is highly selective on who they employ. The girls have to go for an audition & they have a considerable rejection rate. I know girls who've been both accepted & rejected. So, like any villa, you're dealing with Milady's not the girl. It's Milady's providing the service & who you're paying. You'd notice the difference with outcalls. Don't know about Scandalos, never go there, but there's girls at Estark advertise outcalls on the sites. They get one, they go off & cover it. It's their client. Nothing to do with the club. What they do when they're there, whether they work or not is their decision. With Milady's you arrange an outcall with the house. A girl leaving the house during a shift to service a client without the house's participation would be sacked. In fact, if Milady's found out a girl & had been servicing one of Milady's clients during her off shift time, she'd likely be sacked as well.

    And something you probably don't understand about your pump & dump half hours. For you, the difference is the time spent with the girl in the room. It looks entirely different for the girl (or for a villa). The whole of any shift is work. After any trick, the girl has to shower & repair hair & makeup etc, get back to the floor to line up & groom the next victim. Even on a busy night, that can be half an hour. On a sparse night longer. And it's going to be the same whether it's a half hour trick, or an hour, or longer. Tricks get progressively more profitable the longer they last. So now maybe you'll understand why the girls don't much like the half hour gilipollas & are reluctant on the services like BBJ's, DFK's etc. They're preventing them from finding the better clients & more money. Why places like Milady's do deterrent pricing or just don't offer half hours at busy periods?

  7. #889
    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    In addition to which, in common with all the other clubs on the coast, punter enters, is not required to select a girl almost immediately from a parade (as is the case is several villas), can mingle, buy several drinks, listen to music, chill with friends even without speaking to the girls if the guy pleases, before making a selection of choice having seen what is on offer face to face and with a significantly larger number than is ever on offer at any villa. I've been in Miladys on nights when there have been 70 girls. Those days are long gone (as sadly is the use of the baby grand piano on the right).

    In the minds of nearly all punters who have ever been there: it's a club. It looks like one, operates like one (to the punter) and for many years was considered to be "the best club". It's own Instagram page describes it a "Miladys Palace Dance and night CLUB". Its own TikTok describes it as a club. Tripadvisor lists it in Marbella night clubs.

    For me at least, if it looks like a club, acts like a club, those who frequent it think it is a club, and to cap it off it even calls itself a club, then guess what? Its a club!
    I honestly thought it was a pharmacy, that will explain why I keep on getting thrown out for asking for paracetamol!

    Milady Palace. Prices 350/60, girl keeps 250.

    200/30 girl keeps 150.

    Drinks 50, girls keeps 30.

    All girls that are allowed to work there have present their full STD results every 4 weeks to management.

    Found a new villa that has opened in Nueva Andalucia. Calle Alcala 15 D, Villa 12 E. They claim to have 15 girls present at any one time, and is 150 Euros' per hour.

    Casa Masa has moved location again. They are now located at. See. Benaojan 109. They currently have 20 girls working.

    I will try all 3 in the next 2 weeks, and report back. Might even drag myself along to Scandalo for a peek. Although not hopeful, as I am not a fan of giant Latina's with the ass of a hippopotamus.

    Stay safe, MS.

  8. #888
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Yes, but even tho it works as a villa in that sense, but its got big signs out there, gate always open with lights etc so it kinda feels like a club.
    In addition to which, in common with all the other clubs on the coast, punter enters, is not required to select a girl almost immediately from a parade (as is the case is several villas), can mingle, buy several drinks, listen to music, chill with friends even without speaking to the girls if the guy pleases, before making a selection of choice having seen what is on offer face to face and with a significantly larger number than is ever on offer at any villa. I've been in Miladys on nights when there have been 70 girls. Those days are long gone (as sadly is the use of the baby grand piano on the right).

    In the minds of nearly all punters who have ever been there: it's a club. It looks like one, operates like one (to the punter) and for many years was considered to be "the best club". It's own Instagram page describes it a "Miladys Palace Dance and night CLUB". Its own TikTok describes it as a club. Tripadvisor lists it in Marbella night clubs.

    For me at least, if it looks like a club, acts like a club, those who frequent it think it is a club, and to cap it off it even calls itself a club, then guess what? Its a club!

  9. #887
    Quote Originally Posted by AndalusExpat  [View Original Post]
    Milady's isn't a club. It's a villa. The girls work for the house on % & are not independents like Estark or Scandalos. So whether or not they do pump & dumps is the house's decision not theirs.
    Yes, but even tho it works as a villa in that sense, but its got big signs out there, gate always open with lights etc so it kinda feels like a club.

  10. #886
    Milady's isn't a club. It's a villa. The girls work for the house on % & are not independents like Estark or Scandalos. So whether or not they do pump & dumps is the house's decision not theirs.

  11. #885
    Quote Originally Posted by JanGat  [View Original Post]
    I like this one for quality and closeness to Marbella / Banus, despite it being expensive. Visited 3 times in the space of last two years. Usually a really good selection, mostly Latinas, sometimes Romanians. Each time I go there is at least 3-4 girls that I like.

    I usually go around 11 pm and it is still kinda slow at that time, however many girls are already there waiting. As for the pricing. It's 350/ HR. There is an option for 30 minutes but I never tried it. Drinks for the ladies are 50.

    Like I said, quality in terms of looks is very good. However, I advise to always negotiate BBBJ before going to the room. Not all the girls would do it, but those who would won't charge you extra for some reason.
    Yes, Miladys is obviously the nicest club on the coast and quality is usually very good, but high prices, and the service is not always great. The 30 min option is not really available as it is not worth it because they ask for something like 250 , and not all girls are willing to offer it.

  12. #884

    Milady Palace

    I like this one for quality and closeness to Marbella / Banus, despite it being expensive. Visited 3 times in the space of last two years. Usually a really good selection, mostly Latinas, sometimes Romanians. Each time I go there is at least 3-4 girls that I like.

    I usually go around 11 pm and it is still kinda slow at that time, however many girls are already there waiting. As for the pricing. It's 350/ HR. There is an option for 30 minutes but I never tried it. Drinks for the ladies are 50.

    Like I said, quality in terms of looks is very good. However, I advise to always negotiate BBBJ before going to the room. Not all the girls would do it, but those who would won't charge you extra for some reason.

  13. #883
    Quote Originally Posted by PayForIt  [View Original Post]
    Interesting. I was in E92 for two nights a few weeks ago and a number of the old favourites were still in there including Stephanie / Olympia / Veronica / Bianca / Camilla. But like you, revisited a few nights later on a Saturday and dreadful until nearly midnight when a lot of girls came down. Don't know why they leave it so late. Might give Scandalos another outing on your report.
    Yes, exactly PFI, my guess is that on Saturdays most of the good looking ones head downstairs pretty late (too late for me as I don't like to go there at midnight, usually go at round 22.00 and prefer to be their first customer) the reason I think is that most people are out dinning and drinking till late during weekends and head there late at night so it makes sense for them, but during week days they tend to come down early as people want to be home early.

    I still haven't seen / found olympia and camilla, really want to try specially Olympia as you recommended.

    Try scandalo and let us know please. The night I went it was pretty decent but again DFK and BBBJ a bit of problem.

  14. #882
    Quote Originally Posted by Qazwsx5  [View Original Post]
    Hi gents,

    So during the last few weeks I hit up estark twice and scandalo once, so my findings as follows.

    Estark: went there on a tuesdays night, there were about 40 working and 7, 8 guys at round 23:30 , quality was not great but there were about 7 I would rate 7,8 , so not too bad, price is still 100/30 min and 10 for sheet.

    Scanalo: went there on a Thursday, about 30,40 girls, about 20 guys quality was better, maybe much better that estark not because there were 20 7 or 8's but because there were about 5 or 6 I would rate 7,8 and 2 or 3 I would rate 9 . But these were busy all the time around some strange geezers.

    Estark: this time it was Saturday night at 22:00 , again about 40 girls, maybe quality a bit worse than Tuesday night (I know weird, maybe I was too early or its just that dead nights are better) about 15 guys, this time there were 5 I would rate 6 or 7 , didn't see any 8's or 9's.
    Interesting. I was in E92 for two nights a few weeks ago and a number of the old favourites were still in there including Stephanie / Olympia / Veronica / Bianca / Camilla. But like you, revisited a few nights later on a Saturday and dreadful until nearly midnight when a lot of girls came down. Don't know why they leave it so late. Might give Scandalos another outing on your report.

  15. #881

    Quick report

    Hi gents,

    So during the last few weeks I hit up estark twice and scandalo once, so my findings as follows.

    Estark: went there on a tuesdays night, there were about 40 working and 7, 8 guys at round 23:30 , quality was not great but there were about 7 I would rate 7,8 , so not too bad, price is still 100/30 min and 10 for sheet.

    Scanalo: went there on a Thursday, about 30,40 girls, about 20 guys quality was better, maybe much better that estark not because there were 20 7 or 8's but because there were about 5 or 6 I would rate 7,8 and 2 or 3 I would rate 9 . But these were busy all the time around some strange geezers.

    Estark: this time it was Saturday night at 22:00 , again about 40 girls, maybe quality a bit worse than Tuesday night (I know weird, maybe I was too early or its just that dead nights are better) about 15 guys, this time there were 5 I would rate 6 or 7 , didn't see any 8's or 9's.

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