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  1. #3539
    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    The women you encounter and who respond to you, anticipate and meet your desires and needs on their own volition are a reflection of who you are. If you are attracting very few women who volunteer or don't have to be put on notice, this is an example of how you stand in her eyes. There are only so many top quality women to go around, and they go to the best guys, just like you try to go for the best girls.
    1. The women you encounter and who respond to you, anticipate and meet your desires and needs on their own volition are a reflection of who you are.
    Actually that statement is not 100% true. And I'll explain why. With a question. If anyone encounters 2 (or more) different individuals that each treat you differently. One is self less and proactive, and the other is selfish / and clueless which one is supposed to be a reflection of who that person is? Now we have a choice, pick one. It's always been convenient to blame bad company as if that is a reflection of somebody. And then claim if one has success with good people, that is a reflection of that person as well. But it's a false conclusion. Because a person can just as easily encounter someone else that treats the same individual differently. That is a clear indication that ones behavior is a reflection of themselves, not necessarily of other people.

    2. If you are attracting very few women who volunteer or don't have to be put on notice, this is an example of how you stand in her eyes.
    Once again that is a false conclusion. It is not about how few or how many one attracts. That is not how you measure ones value collectively in others eyes. It's about the mindset of a certain dating / mating / social construct that may be available at any given time or place. If there are mostly individuals that have a certain mindset within a dating / mating / social construct to choose from, the chances of finding individuals that volunteer without being put on notice will be slim to none.

    You have to factor in the environment one is in, how individuals are conditioned and taught within that environment. You can apply what I'm saying to many other examples. It doesn't have to be about women and men. But it would be incorrect to say, you are attracting only a few individuals that volunteer, because of how you stand in their eyes. That is a flawed conclusion. Because there are instances where that does not apply. You can encounter very few individuals that volunteer, because the numbers of volunteer minded individuals are not in abundance or available.

    Here's an analogy/example of what I see as a flawed premise. Try to use what you are saying in regards to having 10 different friends, all with different personalities. Using your premise, an individual attracted all of these people and established a friendship, based on who that individual supposedly is. Explain to me how you would sort out who an individual is, by each individual friends personality/behavior? And why you wouldnt simply assume, that each friends individual character or behavior is a reflection of themselves?

    3. There are only so many top quality women to go around, and they go to the best guys, just like you try to go for the best girls.
    This is another false conclusion. Top quality women do not necessarily go to the best guys. The whole world knows that is not true. If top quality women were all going for the best guys, so called bad boys and thugs wouldn't stand a chance with them. But we know that is not the case. Moreover, who measures what top quality in a woman is supposed to mean for everybody? And who discerns who the best guys supposedly are for a supposedly top quality woman? Top quality is a concept with too many variables. Same with "Best Guys". Everybody has character flaws. That would make one beg the question. What the hell is a top quality woman or a best guy? People are different things to different people. Didn't you imply or suggest that already?

    As for going with the best girls? I think that is a false conclusion as well. Guys tend to go for what attracts them. Sometimes that leads to seeking compatibility. But if it's just sex a man is interested in, that doesn't necessarily require or entail going for the best girl.

  2. #3538
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    It is not about money. I respect the chicks walking around Boca Chica beach trying to sell massages and do nails. At least they are fucking trying.

    One problem I have with Dominicans in particular is that anytime I ask them what they would like to do they have not one suggestion. Nothing. They are like a deer in headlights.

    Although it is very rare, whenever I meet a Dominican that can make a suggestion about something I am so fucking grateful. Just try asking them what they would like to do when you are together. You will think you asked them something about quantum physics.

    Exactly. Even that is something to offer!
    This resonates with me. A long time ago I was messing with a chick I grew fond of. Problem though, she would never suggest anything or plan anything for us. She always relied on me to initiate. She had no problems going along with whatever I planned or suggested, but she would never initiate. Interesting enough, she was older than me.

    She was like the princess in the movie Coming To America. Before the nuptials Eddies character took his bride to be aside, to try to get to know her. So he started off asking her. What do you like? And her response was "Whatever you like". Eddie frustrated, he says I know you know you what I like, but I want to know what you like, not what I like. She just repeated, I like whatever you like. Well that is kinda like the way some women operate.

    This particular chick I was messing with, would never initiate or suggest something for us to do together. I even tried to pull her aside to talk to her about it, numerous times. Chick just would not budge. What I think the problem was, she had a sense of entitlement. And for her to suggest or plan something was beneath her, because to her it was a mans role to do everything to make sure she was entertained. In other words she was not a TEAM PLAYER. The most I got out of her was this.

    If we went somewhere, without warning she would pay for what we were doing. But she would never give me the satisfaction of knowing she was going to do that. It was always a surprise. I did not feel relieved just because she paid for us. She would never give me the satisfaction of feeling special by suggesting, planning and then inviting me to do something together with her.

    Needless to say, the only redeeming value was our sexual chemistry. Thats it. After I got tired of that, we went our separate ways. On her part, the only reason why she dealt with me, is probably because she thought I was going to be like the other suckers she dated, that were paying her bills. I wasnt doing any of that. And another reason? I was closing on a house, and she thought that I was going to move her in.

    One day, I had a heart to heart with her. I asked her. If you and I were living together in this house, please tell me what a typical day or week would be like? The chick could not and would not answer that question. Why? Because her motivation for being with me, was fraudulent. I was supposed to be blinded by the juice I was getting regularly. But of course I wasnt having it. Been single forever. Never knew a woman that could pass the long term compatibility test. But then even if one did, there is no way I would be legally bound to any relationship based on the fucked up laws and social customs that men have to deal with today. And I'm damn sure not to going to allow some chick in a foreign country to have me hemmed up.

  3. #3537
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrx2005  [View Original Post]
    Very few women I have encountered will volunteer to do certain things. They will do it, but they have to be asked or put on notice. When women don't think on their feet in regards to a mans needs, wants or comforts, that is an example of how men may equate a womans value as NOT having something to offer or not bringing anything to the table besides pussy..
    The women you encounter and who respond to you, anticipate and meet your desires and needs on their own volition are a reflection of who you are. If you are attracting very few women who volunteer or don't have to be put on notice, this is an example of how you stand in her eyes. There are only so many top quality women to go around, and they go to the best guys, just like you try to go for the best girls.

  4. #3536
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    It is not about money. If this broad does not know how to say she makes the best banana pudding in the world and gives a mean massage then there is no hope. Hell you can even have great companionship to offer. You don't need money for you to have a marketable skill. But when you are sitting there like a bump on a log waiting to be led around by a collar and waiting on someone to feed you and pay your bills is where I have a problem. Have some ambition to do something. Make your self worth (not necessarily financially) something. I respect the chicks walking around Boca Chica beach trying to sell massages and do nails. At least they are fucking trying.

    One problem I have with Dominicans in particular is that anytime I ask them what they would like to do they have not one suggestion. Bih I am right here with a pocket full of money. You can do anything you want in this country and you have not one idea? Not I want to see this new movie that is out. Not I want to go to Puerto Plata and see the Teleferico. Not I want you to take me shopping and spend a lot of money on me. Nothing. They are like a deer in headlights.

    Although it is very rare, whenever I meet a Dominican that can make a suggestion about something I am so fucking grateful. Just try asking them what they would like to do when you are together. You will think you asked them something about quantum physics.

    Exactly. Even that is something to offer!
    I see we were somewhat on the same page in thought. I didn't even know you posted yet.

  5. #3535
    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    For a woman to accumulate financial resources, marketable skills, manageing ability, etc. , 'something to offer', she has to start thinking like a man. Once a woman does that, she's no fun.

    Look for and seek out femininity. After all, you know how to be a man, right? So why wouldn't you appreciate and enjoy the company of a woman for simply knowing how to be a woman.
    On the issue of women bringing something to offer (to the table), financial resources, marketable skills and management abilities, those are not attributes men generally measure a womans value in regards to themselves. When men talk about a woman bringing something to offer (to the table) , they are usually talking about a woman bringing commensurate reciprocation.

    In other words men are not particularly expecting women to match what they do on behalf of women, especially financially. It's about a woman thinking on her feet in terms of how she can demonstrate reciprocation towards a man by doing something that that man values. Better if she is doing it willingly, and it is something she knows he values, not just something she is willing to do to please herself. Better still if she does it on her own without the man having to ask her to do it. Case in point. I like massages. I like giving massages.

    Many chicks I have encountered in life will never have to ask for a massage. I will volunteer. Very few women I have encountered will volunteer to do certain things. They will do it, but they have to be asked or put on notice. When women don't think on their feet in regards to a mans needs, wants or comforts, that is an example of how men may equate a womans value as NOT having something to offer or not bringing anything to the table besides pussy. If a woman brought some of her finances to the table, at least that might help somewhat. But enough men may not need or expect a womans financial input. Men typically dont measure a womans value to himself by her financial prowess. Unless he is a parasitical creature that feeds off of women.

    Anything a man may do on behalf of a woman, a woman, if she is paying attention and not selfish, can recognize his efforts. Through communication she learns that that man likes massages, personal grooming, his house cleaned or laundry done, a meal prepared with her cleaning up afterwards. Looking out for him in negotiations when out and about. Whatever it may be. Those are things a woman can do which would be considered providing commensurate reciprocation. The key is that it is genuine effort on her behalf, and not just a woman faking the funk to trick a guy into believing she enjoys doing it, when reality she is just trying to make a false impression ( like chicks who offer to pay half of a bill, but dont really mean it ). All of those things can be offered, and still preserve a womans femininity.

    Now when it comes to p4 p, for the most part most men just want a woman to at least try to provide the basics to an agreement / arrangement. Don't ask for a condom to suck dick when you agreed, to no condom. Don't work on your period, and expect to get paid in full when the dude chooses to abort. Don't agree to a TLN, when you know you are going to have someone call at a certain time so you can get out of it. Enough men are not expecting miracles from unprofessional prostitutes, just a fair deal. Thing is, enough women are getting worse and worse when it comes to that concept. Kinda reminds me of a movie of a drug deal gone bad. A simple exchange of money for the drugs. One side is greedy, they want the money and the drugs. Dealing with some women is like that.

  6. #3534
    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    For a woman to accumulate financial resources, marketable skills, manageing ability, etc. , 'something to offer', she has to start thinking like a man. Once a woman does that, she's no fun.
    It is not about money. If this broad does not know how to say she makes the best banana pudding in the world and gives a mean massage then there is no hope. Hell you can even have great companionship to offer. You don't need money for you to have a marketable skill. But when you are sitting there like a bump on a log waiting to be led around by a collar and waiting on someone to feed you and pay your bills is where I have a problem. Have some ambition to do something. Make your self worth (not necessarily financially) something. I respect the chicks walking around Boca Chica beach trying to sell massages and do nails. At least they are fucking trying.

    One problem I have with Dominicans in particular is that anytime I ask them what they would like to do they have not one suggestion. Bih I am right here with a pocket full of money. You can do anything you want in this country and you have not one idea? Not I want to see this new movie that is out. Not I want to go to Puerto Plata and see the Teleferico. Not I want you to take me shopping and spend a lot of money on me. Nothing. They are like a deer in headlights.

    Although it is very rare, whenever I meet a Dominican that can make a suggestion about something I am so fucking grateful. Just try asking them what they would like to do when you are together. You will think you asked them something about quantum physics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sawassdee  [View Original Post]
    I personally appreciate and enjoy the company of an agreeable, caring, in the home industrious woman. (One who is happy to utilize her skills and show you she is a value add to you.
    Exactly. Even that is something to offer!

  7. #3533

    Agreement Here

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    For a woman to accumulate financial resources, marketable skills, manageing ability, etc. , 'something to offer', she has to start thinking like a man. Once a woman does that, she's no fun.

    Look for and seek out femininity. After all, you know how to be a man, right? So why wouldn't you appreciate and enjoy the company of a woman for simply knowing how to be a woman.
    Agreement here. I think the heart of the previous discussion lies in HOW much one is being taken advantage of financially. Whether its the short con (sex worker) or long con (Baby mama money or marriage / Divorce) its still a con and everyone knows the game is for easy financial support. I personally appreciate and enjoy the company of an agreeable, caring, in the home industrious woman. (One who is happy to utilize her skills and show you she is a value add to you. However when in exchange for quick financial compensation I do not want to provide her wages of multiple days work at her regular w2 job for less than an hour worth of enjoyment.

    Unless of course she's an artist with you. AND she is serious about her Art! LOLOLOL.

  8. #3532
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrx2005  [View Original Post]
    So enough women don't have anything to offer except pussy. In addition enough women fit this category as well. THEY DO NOT WANT to offer anything else except pussy.
    For a woman to accumulate financial resources, marketable skills, manageing ability, etc. , 'something to offer', she has to start thinking like a man. Once a woman does that, she's no fun.

    Look for and seek out femininity. After all, you know how to be a man, right? So why wouldn't you appreciate and enjoy the company of a woman for simply knowing how to be a woman.

  9. #3531
    Quote Originally Posted by Sawassdee  [View Original Post]
    I think of this when they are quoting stupid ass prices or giving continual poor performances. Women do have value but many don't earn like that. Harsh but my truth.
    And one reason enough women can consistently get away with subpar performance, and all the rest of the negative shit, is because women generally do not have anything, anybody or any entity in place to hold them accountable. They have almost zero consequences for their actions.

    Additionally, because men are not collectively on the same page (in fact were more in competition with each other, than being allies). Men will make excuses and make allowances for women. But be harder on men and hold men accountable, even if a woman is more at fault And good women don't correct or teach their own to be any better than they are. In fact it's encouraged for women to be entitled to privileges and meeting lower standards. Good women generally turn a blind eye to their faults and the faults of their own. And maybe they have their reasons. Men as tricks (direct or indirect tricks) arent exactly highly respected and / or revered by women.

  10. #3530

    This is the why we negotiate

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Most women do not have anything to offer except pussy. I was talking to a Brazilian chick on Cupid yesterday. She asked me what I want from her. I asked her what she had. She said the grace of god. I said well give me that then. I kind of figured she did not have anything else to offer.
    True statements like Mr. E's always push me to keep in the forefront that its either a fair exchange when it comes to simply sex or to never overpay if I decide to spend money. Pussy has very little value in the corporate workplace. Many of these sex workers don't have the skillset to make much money in an actual w2 day job. So IMHO they have no business quoting compensation for a corporate 4 to 6 days of 8 hours or more labor in exchange for 30 minutes to an hour of romping in the bed. Something they already do for free whenever the desire hits them.

    I personally love shopping at Walmart and buying gas at QT and Racetrack gas stations. I give them most of my business just to watch their female employees lift boxes, stock shelves, sweep up inside or outside, clean up spills or nasty ass bathrooms etc. Its always a simple reminder to me of what she knows she has to look forward to if she thinks too high of herself and has no other skill. I think of this when they are quoting stupid ass prices or giving continual poor performances. Women do have value but many don't earn like that. Harsh but my truth.

  11. #3529
    Quote Originally Posted by GrownMan1  [View Original Post]
    I think one of the biggest problem is the idea I've listen to own. It may start out at the beginning but in time you're going to want to upgrade. The leasing company knows this. Few people write out the complete lease agreement. They either charge you a lot at the beginning or make you pay more over time to maintain. Overtime the average person realizes I'm not going to buy this car It's not worth it.
    Sorry I was very intoxicated. I think one of the biggest problem is the idea leasing to own. It may start out good at the beginning, but in time you're going to want to upgrade. The leasing company knows this. Few people ride out the complete lease agreement. They either charge you a lot at the beginning or make you pay more over time to maintain. Overtime the average person realizes I'm not going to buy this car she not worth it.

  12. #3528
    Quote Originally Posted by GrownMan1  [View Original Post]
    Few people write out the complete lease agreement. They either charge you a lot at the beginning or make you pay more over time to maintain. Overtime the average person realizes I'm not going to buy this car It's not worth it.
    If it flies, floats, or fucks: Rent it.

  13. #3527
    Quote Originally Posted by Wrx2005  [View Original Post]
    On the issue of P4 P:
    .

    But then of course. The "leasing companies" (women) caught on. Oh you don't want to buy our cars? You don't want to deal with our repairs and maintenance costs. Too expensive for ya huh?. Ok then, We'll make our money, by changing the cost of leasing. We are going to start charging more to lease this "ride". Yeah, when leases 1st came out, you could lease for short term for a fraction of what it would cost to own. Now some lease deals cost just as much as owning the damn thing.

    One reason anybody would pay a grip for an expensive lease in spite of the false advertising, is because they want what Cuba Dave said "That look at me, look". However in reality, those look at me models usually have no more value than the more reliable get the job done models. Good thing. For a reasonable donation, we have the ability to test drive a lot of different models without having to own or be responsible for anything after were done.
    I think one of the biggest problem is the idea I've listen to own. It may start out at the beginning but in time you're going to want to upgrade. The leasing company knows this. Few people write out the complete lease agreement. They either charge you a lot at the beginning or make you pay more over time to maintain. Overtime the average person realizes I'm not going to buy this car It's not worth it.

  14. #3526

    Oh well, I have some time to spare

    On the issue of P4 P:

    World wide, we have all grown up and been a witness to women taking note of less and less men signing up for long term fleecing, errr I mean leasing (marriage). And seeing more and more men turning more towards p4 p in it's many forms (Back Page, back room strip clubs, your seedy red light hood areas, traveling abroad for "cheap pussy" etc). Whatever men did to avoid a life time of being tethered to a female, they did it.

    But then of course. The "leasing companies" (women) caught on. Oh you don't want to buy our cars? You don't want to deal with our repairs and maintenance costs. Too expensive for ya huh?. Ok then, We'll make our money, by changing the cost of leasing. We are going to start charging more to lease this "ride". Yeah, when leases 1st came out, you could lease for short term for a fraction of what it would cost to own. Now some lease deals cost just as much as owning the damn thing.

    Here in Sosua the standard lease agreement (p4 p) was a lot less 5 to 6 yrs ago than what lease companies (chicas / women) are trying to get today. The good thing though. In Sosua (or anywhere else in the world) one has options, and the competition is usually fierce. Many lease companies work hard trying to get the buyers attention. Buy here (I got makeup on, high heels, butt implants, padded bra / butt inserts, false eye lashes, big ass sunglasses on to hide my appearance, camoflouge clothes to hide imperfections / scars, fake designer gear, fake hair, fake nails, colored contacts, tattoos and my sexual market value odometer has been rolled back a few 1000 miles). Plus there is no car fax on me, just word of mouth.

    One reason anybody would pay a grip for an expensive lease in spite of the false advertising, is because they want what Cuba Dave said "That look at me, look". However in reality, those look at me models usually have no more value than the more reliable get the job done models. Good thing. For a reasonable donation, we have the ability to test drive a lot of different models without having to own or be responsible for anything after were done.

  15. #3525
    Thanks but the underlying credit goes to the locals. What you don't learn from your friends and others experiences, the locals will teach you.

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