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  1. #7262
    YK,

    I get you guys are trying to be helpful, but the cynicism you and me show towards women is pretty incredible. I don't regret my relationship with my fiance it all. There is something to be said for wanting to lay in her arms all night versus just fuck, the special way a woman in love looks at you. I have been cynical too. I didn't think I could fall in love again, didn't think it was in me to want to be monogamous with someone again, but I did. We were together for 2 years. What broke us up was that she didn't understand how free markets were. This company she "worked" for was very slick, but that is all they were, and she, being from a socialist country, fell for a multilevel marketing scheme that I doubt she would have fell for if she lived in a capitalist country. People from Venezuela are different because of what they have been told, what they have seen, and you can talk to the average Colombian about Venezuelans, and they will share their views which are practically identical to mine.

    It's different than when the USSR fell and Russian women stormed the scene in the late 1990's. Those women were kept in the dark, but it is similar in that Venezuelans have to learn the rules of capitalism. They come from a country where they see people eating out of the trash, leaders who derided capitalism but stuffed their pockets full of cash. The American Dream doesn't exist in Venezuela. If you work hard, had a long term perspective, and provided solutions in the market place, you were a sucker. The government would steal you blind. The people who got rich in Venezuela are / were self serving drug dealers and thieves. That affects people. My gal thought this multilevel marketing shit was going to make her a millionaire, and she didn't tell me about it because she knew I was cynical of it. She still believes that she will be rich doing it BTW. I shouldn't have put the stuff in there about seeing another man. I think it was more about how she was hiding who she was from me that made her sexually frigid in the end. And you guys don't get this part. Both our families were cynical of our relationship and when they saw us together, they wanted it to work out. It wasn't just me who bought into the dream.

    And the reason I posted my story was to warn people about Venezuelans. They ARE different because of what they have seen, what they have been told. I was concerned about losing my gal to another guy: a guy with rip roaring abs or one who gave her more cash. I never thought I would lose her to a con man.

    I think what you guys ARE talking about is falling for a woman like this Santa Fe stripper I met. The best lay of the trip so far has been Asakira. She dances at Troya. Well, all the women move around the clubs down there, but that was the one club where we met. I invited her back to my hotel. She was up for $100 for TLN. I paid for the hotel versus in house facilities because she agreed to DFK and BBBJs OTC. She was so good in bed that a lot of guys would fall for her right there. Her BBBJ may have been the best I have ever had. The reason I am sharing her name is because outside of another roll in the hay, I am not interested in anything else with her.

    I don't get the part about being with someone every day. For 18 months, there were no issues with me and my gal. If she were in a position where she could have come to the USA, it might have worked even better. I was giving her in a month what I paid a SB for a night with me. Paying for a USA Girl with her qualities for a week or two in Mexico would have cost four, maybe even five figures in the past. You can video chat for free these days and we did every week. Shit, half of the times I have bought an American woman a ticket for a trip, I have been stiffed. American women are scared of traveling for some reason. My gal loved it, and here in Colombia, every woman I have offered up a trip with has ate it up, and they have jumped at the meager amount per day I have offered. I probably am going to cut the offer in half and see what happens.

    It's never easy to know how much to give. Steve Jobs said it was easier to make money than to give it away. It's tricky. You want to give enough so a woman can do anything but not enough so they do nothing. That is a paraphrased line from Warren Buffett, and I am skeptical of anyone who thinks they have the answer on how much the right amount is to give any woman.

    Yes, I want to recreate what I had. I am not forcing love, but I want to be with someone with the potential for love. I am interested in seeing a Colombian woman for a week vacation and see what happens from there. The price is too high for quality American women. I had some of the best looking and best performing SBs you guys have ever seen: Bud Light girl, college cheerleader, a woman who was a dead ringer for a SI swimsuit model, but I never thought about getting serious with any of them. They all had a screw loose, and they want marriage for something serious. I know Hollywood talks of Romance and the hell of divorce is not talked about nearly enough. 50% of my income? Fuck that.

    I have met and bedded several Colombian women now. Just because they are professionals does not mean they aren't hucksters, but it is cynical to think they are all hucksters. The best lay was the Santa Fe stripper, but the test time I had was with a 2nd grade teacher, and she was great in the sack. The woman loved sucking cock. In between her, who never even gave me a price tag, was an engineer asking for $400 a day and a lawyer who wanted $300. I kicked them both to the curb. The other one with potential for a vacation was a 19 year old who is a model / finance student. She is too young for anything serious, but she would be fun to hang with for a week. And I have more lined up. It's been a busy week.

  2. #7261
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    ............I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word............
    In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.

  3. #7260
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    It is easy for me to do because being a player I have probably 100 or so chicks and I am not trying to settle down like that.
    Slapping my knee, this is cracking me up so much. How do you find the time to post so much with a harem like that swooning over you?

  4. #7259
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?
    Are you serious? Are you really bragging about this? This is how you treat a "friend"?

  5. #7258
    Quote Originally Posted by YippieKayay  [View Original Post]
    Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

    (1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

    (2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

    (3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town.

    (4) Accept the fact that fucking and dating for short periods when you visit is all you're going to get. Everything else is just lies, pain and suffering.

    Go to Colombia. Have a good time. Take some photos. When you get back you can look at the photos and remember the good times. Unless you move there that's all you should expect.
    If you want to see the truth of #2, go hang out around Western Union and watch. You'll see the hot chicks go in to pick up money. They'll almost always have 2 guys with them. One is the boyfriend. The other is his friend. After they get the money, she'll take them out partying.

  6. #7257
    Quote Originally Posted by IronQuinn  [View Original Post]
    Jesus, you this harsh with everybody? I think he realizes his mistake without the salt you're pouring. Plus, I'd re-read those texts. That girl's not asking you "directly", but she's laying some hints. If she's got the cash to travel to the States, and send her daughter to Chile, the cost of a visa, along with a $50 daily limit is peanuts. You know she'd like to go, be a pal and send her the cash, ha, ha. You speak with her in English? -I'm just messing with you, man. I think his post was a good story shared. This forum is all about helping the next guy.

    So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.
    It's a harsh world. You're not doing anyone a favor by sugar coating everything.

    Substitute an American from Texas for his Venezuelan and I had the same experience. It hits you in the gut when you find out the woman who has been telling your whole family how much she loves you, is out shopping for a better deal. It's even worse when her mother is telling you how much her daughter loves you, while the mother is setting her up with married sugar daddies.

    It's an expensive lesson to learn and money isn't the biggest cost.

  7. #7256
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    A female friend of mine told me to look at all her social media. She said, "All these idiots think they can hide shit on social media, and they can't". She found her instagram page and sure enough it was like she suspected. There were all pictures of her family, friends, and none of me. Even one had the #love on it next to a guy. I was pissed, but she did zero about it to fix it. She was working when she told me she wasn't. Well, she was in on of these multimarket scams. Family pleaded with me to go to Lima and get her back. She even broke up with me before I broke up with her. Unbeknownst to my family, I decided to go to Bogota instead and offered to fly her here. I didn't hear from her. From nearly married with kids to being fucking ghosted.
    Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

    (1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

    (2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

    (3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town.

    (4) Accept the fact that fucking and dating for short periods when you visit is all you're going to get. Everything else is just lies, pain and suffering.

    Go to Colombia. Have a good time. Take some photos. When you get back you can look at the photos and remember the good times. Unless you move there that's all you should expect.

  8. #7255
    Quote Originally Posted by IronQuinn  [View Original Post]
    So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.
    But that is all nationalities, not just Venezuelans. You can't generalize and say how bad Venezuelans are because you happened to get used by one. The problem does not lie in the nationality of the girl. The problem lies in the inability of the hopeless romantic to tell when he is being used.

    Of course her family liked him if he was footing the bill for sending them all across the world. In Rio we used to say you will know how much these chicks really like you when you show up with no money. If someone is still around you when you are not paying for everything and helping them out of financial jams (those will never end) then you have a winner. But if you are always having to come out of your pocket, that is when you need to take heed.

    It is easy for me to do because being a player I have probably 100 or so chicks and I am not trying to settle down like that. Imagine 100 chicks coming to me talking about needing money for a $20 electric bill or whatever. That would be 2000 damn dollars for me to give out. Not possible. But when you are concentrating on only 1 chick, the nickel and diming will slide through until either they feel they have used you enough and want to go on to suck the blood out of someone else, or you realize you have been had. In the OP's case, he had set his chick and her family up nice and it was not until she had already moved on to do her own thing when he started questioning everything.

    And just like anything it gets easier with practice. It was hard the first time a chick had to ask a guy for money. But as they kept doing it, it got easier and easier to where it is just second nature and rolls off the tongue. Telling them no is the same way. It may be hard the first couple of times because you are afraid to lose out on the pussy, but as you practice it and practice it, you can do it in your sleep. One of my chicks recently asked me for money and I told her nope I did not have it. She said you never have it. I said, yet you continue to ask.
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  9. #7254
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Dude all women are the same. It is just that you are not used to the bullshit of the women that live somewhere that you don't travel to frequently. Even less if you don't speak the language of the person. You can put up with more of the foreign bullshit (and even more if you are afraid to lose the chick) than the local bullshit, until you become accustomed to the foreign bullshit too. That is why it behooves you to put your foot down at the first sign of bullshit from any woman instead of kissing up to her and giving in to her.

    I know plenty of good Venezuelan women. Don't blame them if you chose to be a hopeless romantic (I don't even let chicks know I have a facebook, nevermind putting them on mine and wanting them to put me on theirs) and white knight and go around saving people. Any expat on ISG will tell you that you have no business investing like that in a person if you are not going to be there with them day to day. Hell, I was messing with a chick where I live in Thailand. I had to head to the States to my aunt's funeral, and she got pregnant while I was gone. Her kid is almost 2 and we are still friends and fuck buddies. But unlike you, I don't invest like that in chicks, so there are no sour grapes.

    You made a horrible investment and you are the only one to blame. I am sure that if you told any friends about this beforehand they told you it was a bad idea and you told them to go to hell because you knew what you were doing. I have a buddy that lives in the Philippines and he was messing with a chick that died. He was still supporting her kids afterwards. That is exactly what he told me when I told him that was not his responsibility. Then when he found out the chick really did not die and he was being scammed, it was then yeah man you were right. I do not know what I was thinking.

    I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?
    Jesus, you this harsh with everybody? I think he realizes his mistake without the salt you're pouring. Plus, I'd re-read those texts. That girl's not asking you "directly", but she's laying some hints. If she's got the cash to travel to the States, and send her daughter to Chile, the cost of a visa, along with a $50 daily limit is peanuts. You know she'd like to go, be a pal and send her the cash, ha, ha. You speak with her in English? -I'm just messing with you, man. I think his post was a good story shared. This forum is all about helping the next guy.

    So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.

  10. #7253
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Sex was great early on then less off it, started putting me down more: the shaming, the finger pointing, all the irresponsible shit I thought was just American women. She reminded me of my ex-wife.
    Dude all women are the same. It is just that you are not used to the bullshit of the women that live somewhere that you don't travel to frequently. Even less if you don't speak the language of the person. You can put up with more of the foreign bullshit (and even more if you are afraid to lose the chick) than the local bullshit, until you become accustomed to the foreign bullshit too. That is why it behooves you to put your foot down at the first sign of bullshit from any woman instead of kissing up to her and giving in to her.

    I know plenty of good Venezuelan women. Don't blame them if you chose to be a hopeless romantic (I don't even let chicks know I have a facebook, nevermind putting them on mine and wanting them to put me on theirs) and white knight and go around saving people. Any expat on ISG will tell you that you have no business investing like that in a person if you are not going to be there with them day to day. Hell, I was messing with a chick where I live in Thailand. I had to head to the States to my aunt's funeral, and she got pregnant while I was gone. Her kid is almost 2 and we are still friends and fuck buddies. But unlike you, I don't invest like that in chicks, so there are no sour grapes.

    You made a horrible investment and you are the only one to blame. I am sure that if you told any friends about this beforehand they told you it was a bad idea and you told them to go to hell because you knew what you were doing. I have a buddy that lives in the Philippines and he was messing with a chick that died. He was still supporting her kids afterwards. That is exactly what he told me when I told him that was not his responsibility. Then when he found out the chick really did not die and he was being scammed, it was then yeah man you were right. I do not know what I was thinking.

    I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?
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  11. #7252
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Sigh, I met one in Aruba, flew out there, moved her to Peru. Then moved her sibling and whole family there. We fell in love. Her family liked me, and my family went to Lima and met her, and they liked her. We talked of having children. One night she got dressed up, and I was like, "Fuck, this girl is a 10." Sex was great early on then less off it, started putting me down more: the shaming, the finger pointing, all the irresponsible shit I thought was just American women. She reminded me of my ex-wife.

    A female friend of mine told me to look at all her social media. She said, "All these idiots think they can hide shit on social media, and they can't". She found her instagram page and sure enough it was like she suspected. There were all pictures of her family, friends, and none of me. Even one had the #love on it next to a guy. I was pissed, but she did zero about it to fix it. She was working when she told me she wasn't. Well, she was in on of these multimarket scams. Family pleaded with me to go to Lima and get her back. She even broke up with me before I broke up with her. Unbeknownst to my family, I decided to go to Bogota instead and offered to fly her here. I didn't hear from her. From nearly married with kids to being fucking ghosted.

    I met up with Woodman last night. Streets filled with Venezuelan women. My woman would have been one of them without me.

    Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others. After Western nations got ripped off, China and Russia moved in and they have gotten ripped off now. Maybe it's not fair to characterize all Venezuelans this way, but I was afraid that I would lose my woman to another man, and I did. I lost her to this stupid Ponzi scheme known as imarketslive or IML, and the guy was this sleaze ball founder, Christopher Terry. It makes Amway look ethical. You don't have to work, just trade currencies. Working is for suckers. That is the socialist way right?

    I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word. Maybe that isn't fair but when you grow up in a culture of lies, it is hard to not lie yourself. Then you throw women in the mix and it is even worse. Yes, I think my girl was a narcissist, but how many hot women are normal? I think if I were to get married again it would have to be to an unattractive woman. Don't kid yourself, guys. These women really rarely love you. I literally got this woman out of hell, and this is what she did. Her family swore she was loyal, but in my heart, I think she was fucking around on me.
    Damn, man, that's awful. I feel like buying you a beer. The Venezuelan girls are good looking in my opinion, but I'd never take one seriously. If anyone has any doubt about their loyalty, they should read your post.

  12. #7251
    Is the hotel girl friendly? I will come to and try to book a hotel, now I lean to ibis.

    Quote Originally Posted by RajGupta125  [View Original Post]
    Hi guys,

    I'll be in Bogota this Sunday. Staying for a week.

    If anyone is around and wants to meet up for drinks and bar / club hopping PM me. Looking forward to hanging out. I'll be staying at Hotel Saint Simon.

    Thanks.

  13. #7250
    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowJ  [View Original Post]
    Thanks alot. Any word on the cleanliness / girl friendliness?
    Yeah, I should have said, I had not heard any complaints. It is decent. I'm pretty sure as long as the girl is 18 with ID it's all good.

  14. #7249
    Quote Originally Posted by Arcangel  [View Original Post]
    I am now seeing a Venezuelan girl from an impoverished middle class family. I started talking to her on SA last year. A large number of girls cannot hold a conversation beyond: "Hola amor, como ests? But this one I could talk to. Her spanish spelling is better than mine, which cannot be said for many of the girls I chat to. She was at home in VZ with no options in life, but recently made it out to Bogot. So I took a risk and sent her money to take a bus and come and stay with me for a week, sight unseen. The first two nights she was shy and wouldn't let me touch her, but then she warmed up and it was well worth it. Shy, innocent, full of sexual desire, tall, slim, curious, intelligent, honest. Just what I like. She's never done P4 P, and yes, I believe her..
    Sigh, I met one in Aruba, flew out there, moved her to Peru. Then moved her sibling and whole family there. We fell in love. Her family liked me, and my family went to Lima and met her, and they liked her. We talked of having children. One night she got dressed up, and I was like, "Fuck, this girl is a 10." Sex was great early on then less off it, started putting me down more: the shaming, the finger pointing, all the irresponsible shit I thought was just American women. She reminded me of my ex-wife.

    A female friend of mine told me to look at all her social media. She said, "All these idiots think they can hide shit on social media, and they can't". She found her instagram page and sure enough it was like she suspected. There were all pictures of her family, friends, and none of me. Even one had the #love on it next to a guy. I was pissed, but she did zero about it to fix it. She was working when she told me she wasn't. Well, she was in on of these multimarket scams. Family pleaded with me to go to Lima and get her back. She even broke up with me before I broke up with her. Unbeknownst to my family, I decided to go to Bogota instead and offered to fly her here. I didn't hear from her. From nearly married with kids to being fucking ghosted.

    I met up with Woodman last night. Streets filled with Venezuelan women. My woman would have been one of them without me.

    Venezuelans are fucked up. They think that they are rich because of their oil reserves, and the world stole from there, so it is okay to steal from others. After Western nations got ripped off, China and Russia moved in and they have gotten ripped off now. Maybe it's not fair to characterize all Venezuelans this way, but I was afraid that I would lose my woman to another man, and I did. I lost her to this stupid Ponzi scheme known as imarketslive or IML, and the guy was this sleaze ball founder, Christopher Terry. It makes Amway look ethical. You don't have to work, just trade currencies. Working is for suckers. That is the socialist way right?

    I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word. Maybe that isn't fair but when you grow up in a culture of lies, it is hard to not lie yourself. Then you throw women in the mix and it is even worse. Yes, I think my girl was a narcissist, but how many hot women are normal? I think if I were to get married again it would have to be to an unattractive woman. Don't kid yourself, guys. These women really rarely love you. I literally got this woman out of hell, and this is what she did. Her family swore she was loyal, but in my heart, I think she was fucking around on me.

  15. #7248
    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman09  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    I know several ISGers / Gringos who have stayed there.

    Room with Kitchen is 50 mil room without 30 mil.
    Thanks alot. Any word on the cleanliness / girl friendliness?

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