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  1. #11114

    Santa Fe becomes a bit slowly from new year

    Staying at Bogota from end of December as already get bored to move all over Colombia in less than 7 weeks visited 14 different cities. Going to Santa Fe almost every day and not so much girls on the streets as was before on November. Last Saturday was really good was a lot of girls and I start to thinking Santa Fe is going back to normal but next few days again becomes same quiet. Of course if you coming here for 3-7 days still plenty of girls to choose, but if you stay longer and don't like repeat same girls and want new everyday as me after sometime its become more tricky to find new girls you like. Some days I could find any I like. As for this moment the best times for street girls probably between 18.30 pm till 21.30 pm. I went many times on the daytime also but its quiet. The prices not change for street girls I always paying 40 k for 20 minutes with room in total. If you ask the girls how much they want for 20 min? Some said 40 k some 50 k but 90 percent agree 40 k if you negotiate. If you go out of main area you still can get some street girls for 30 k but another side most of the times not worth to go the girls is lower quality and streets are more dodgy. 3 or 4 days ago the drug dealer was murdered at Santa Fe hotel room so last few days was crazy amount of police on the streets I never seen so many before. Anyway Santa Fe still fun if you use the common sense.

  2. #11113

    The white man's third world desperation complex

    Quote Originally Posted by Kib123  [View Original Post]
    My friend, you need to travel some more, and experience more women. Your assessment could not be further from the reality.
    Nah he's one of those white dudes that went to Africa or South East Asia first. If you go to any Africa subforum especially the east African forums and guys will rave about Madegascar.

    There are people who literally stave to death there. I've been told by long term visitors that there's no tourist infrastructure to speak of, 10 will buy you almost any girl of your choice all night in places like Nosy Be. The problem is that it's in Nosy be. You add that to places where the only white man they see is an aged sex tourist or some aid worker or missionary and a lot of women see white guy and life savior as the same.

    I love Africa Kenya especially but I prefer a middle ground between a super entitled western feminazi and a illiterate desperate village girl who won't let you out of her sight for a second to keep you away from another girl.

    What some of the white hunters in Africa don't tell you is because they are convinced that a 18 year super model look-a- like loves their flabby 80 year old bodies they fall in love with them too and start building houses and stuff for them in these little villages. I'm not looking for some desperate street urchin to validate me, I just want the pussy and maybe a nice cup of coffee. I want to to treat me like she is my girlfriend in bed, I don't care about what she thinks of me in the morning.

    Hope this Helps.

    Trip.

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  4. #11111
    Quote Originally Posted by Parks292  [View Original Post]
    Been living in Bogota for nearly 4 months now, with trips to Brazil and Mexico here and there. Must have met over 40 ISG members and shown the city to many, people from all ages and walks of life. Several of whom have become friends, and I have to admit I feel indebted towards the forum because of that. Though business was not my intention when first arriving, through serendipity, ended up at advanced negotiations with a Colombian conglomerate. My stay has been more than P2 P, over the months I've experienced a lot of what the city has to offer. Add to that the connections I've built with locals, expats, diplomats, being fluent in Spanish. And I almost feel at home, quite frankly.

    A few points:

    -Santa Fe. The good: There is always some talent, and it's really cheap. The bad: you get what you pay for. The vast majority of SF's population isn't actually working girls, but young Venezuelan refugee guys who are just roaming the streets and hanging out. Wouldn't consider it dangerous but I wouldn't be naive to call it safe. Fortunately, this board allows you to find other members to go with, which makes the whole experience much better..
    Thank you so much for detailed insights. I have 2 questions for you brother. Appreciate a lot if I can get your experience and expertise to my confusion.

    Which place amongst Brazil, Colombia and Mexico. Would you prefer easy for young light skin hotties? (BTW I am looking for BBFS option so consider that into your answer).

    And once you provide the Country. Which city would you recommend?

  5. #11110
    Quote Originally Posted by Parks292  [View Original Post]
    Non P2 P: as far as I'm concerned, this is where Bogota shines. Keeping it short because this is a P2 P forum. Tinder: Better than in America. Just like in most developing countries, girls are generally bored and want to meet. Bars / clubs: Girls are usually approachable and you will be surprised at how many girls speak English and are well-travelled. Steadily been going out to Zona T where I have my favorite spots. I was pleasantly surprised at how receptive and willing to meet most girls are.
    I'll be in Bogota for only 5 days, would you recommend Tinder or SA for non-working girls? I would prefer to have things lined up before I arrive there, but Tinder seems like it would be better used once I'm there instead of ahead of time.

    Thanks for all info.

  6. #11109
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    If you want to give her something (and you should be able to tell if a chick is a WG after all I listed before), focus on her needs like a BF would "You said your grandmother had arthritis. How much does medicine for that cost here? I do not want her to be in such pain". Or you can slip money in her pocket and tell her you left her a gift.
    Everybody is not into that act like I am not a hooker and find other reasons to give me money thing. My Venezuelan girl in Peru makes $8 per day. I gave her $25 to get back and forth because she was coming to see me after work everyday. She got angry and said it felt like I was paying her and gave the money back. You want to be careful not to insult someone like that.

  7. #11108

    A few months in Colombia

    Been living in Bogota for nearly 4 months now, with trips to Brazil and Mexico here and there. Must have met over 40 ISG members and shown the city to many, people from all ages and walks of life. Several of whom have become friends, and I have to admit I feel indebted towards the forum because of that. Though business was not my intention when first arriving, through serendipity, ended up at advanced negotiations with a Colombian conglomerate. My stay has been more than P2 P, over the months I've experienced a lot of what the city has to offer. Add to that the connections I've built with locals, expats, diplomats, being fluent in Spanish. And I almost feel at home, quite frankly.

    A few points:

    -Santa Fe. The good: There is always some talent, and it's really cheap. The bad: you get what you pay for. The vast majority of SF's population isn't actually working girls, but young Venezuelan refugee guys who are just roaming the streets and hanging out. Wouldn't consider it dangerous but I wouldn't be naive to call it safe. Fortunately, this board allows you to find other members to go with, which makes the whole experience much better.

    SF just isn't for everyone. Rooms are filthy and depending on your level of cleanliness this might or might not be an issue. Then again, what can you expect at this price? If you're on a tight budget, SF is the way to go. If you're not, there are better options for a better experience. I enjoy my comfort and rather spend more for more. Aside from the initial novelty factor, the longer I've been in Bogota, the less I've went. That being said I suggest you visit it and see it. I still enjoy SF in 2 ways: to party every once in a while in one of the bars, more for the stripclub and party environment than for getting laid. And to check for new talent, test drive it and if it's good, meet them outside (sadly this isn't always possible as many girls in SF don't have an ID and a cellphone). To better my experience, I've made good contacts in SF from bar owners, managers, waiters, security and obviously girls. Suggest you do the same. This definitely enhances the experience when you're treated well and know your way around.

    -SA. Been one of my favorite playgrounds for years, having met hundreds of girls, strictly in America. First time experiencing it here and overall I would say SA in Colombia is not bad but has less quantity and less quality than other cities in America that have yielded better results for me. I also found the percentage of hardcore pros to be substantially higher on SA in Colombia than in America.

    -Other P2P options: Eroticas Bogota is good for escorts. For a different experience, there's an upscale massage place called Nanxing Spa. Wasn't impressed by Lido as talent was similar to SF. Hard to believe that in a country like Colombia, there isn't a place anywhere near the level of experience you can get in Hong-Kong / Cascadas in Tijuana!

    -Non P2 P: as far as I'm concerned, this is where Bogota shines. Keeping it short because this is a P2 P forum. Tinder: Better than in America. Just like in most developing countries, girls are generally bored and want to meet. Bars / clubs: Girls are usually approachable and you will be surprised at how many girls speak English and are well-travelled. Steadily been going out to Zona T where I have my favorite spots. I was pleasantly surprised at how receptive and willing to meet most girls are.

    Can't say there is one place to meet the best girls in town. Rather what I've done is entertain all options and pick the top 5% from each of them: SF and the best 3-4 Fiebre / Troya girls, SA and the non-P2 P options. That is how I've built a rotation with top talent.

    Restaurants: food is actually much better than expected in Bogota! Though obviously not at the level of Brazil or Mexico. Suggest the following places: LEO for a romantic dinner, Osk Peru for a Miami vibe in a hot spot, Agave Azul for a speakeasy setup. Other places with good food and ambiance: La Cabrera, El Chato, Castanyoles.

    Bogota doesn't do anything extremely well, but rather does many things quite well. It is not a city of extremes, like its cousin Sao Paulo. Colombia, Brazil and Mexico each have their pros and cons and there's no perfect place. I like all 3.

  8. #11107
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    It's funny how at one time, she would even offer to pay for the Mileroticos girl that we had ordered together. In a way, I made her feel like I am paying for her professional services like a consultant jejeje.
    You understand when she does that she is telling you she wants to date you and does not want money from you right? She wants money spent on her like a GF would. I took 2 girls, a GF and her cousin, to the free breakfast at the Marriott Courtyard, and they thought it was the finest dining they had ever been to. Your gal probably lives in a boring town in a room the size of your closet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    However, for scenario where I simply want a date to dine in a restaurant or go clubbing, with no mention of any gift or transaction and maybe ended up having sex after that. The next morning could make for an awkward situation. If the girls turned out to be civilians with a regular job, will they be offended if I hand them the money? If so, how would I know if the amount given is insufficient in her view that it offends her? What if she demanded a certain amount in which I deem unreasonable? I am visualizing all the potential drama and the headache. The truth is that I am actually a noobie on this front.
    You keep thinking like a john where you have to pay. It is only awkward because you have been a john so much in the past. Ask her out again and she what she says. If she says yes, I would not pay her anything and schedule a nice date with her.

    If you want to give her something (and you should be able to tell if a chick is a WG after all I listed before), focus on her needs like a BF would "You said your grandmother had arthritis. How much does medicine for that cost here? I do not want her to be in such pain". Or you can slip money in her pocket and tell her you left her a gift.

    If the gal is a ho type, she will let you know if you need to pay her. And if there is a conflict, pay what you think is right or stand up to her if you think it is excessive. You guys are so used to being pussy whipped in the USA.

  9. #11106
    Hello,

    I want to visit Bobota soon. I read a lot of your reports, thanks for them!

    I will probably try Seeking Arrangements. My question: how high is the percentage of skinny girls there, who can speak English? From your experience?

    Thank you very much!

  10. #11105
    Quote Originally Posted by Pussycat123  [View Original Post]
    Agreeing in writing also protect against false allegations.
    If you think that then it is obvious that you have never been to Sosua.

  11. #11104

    The less disagreements, the better

    I was reading the saga about Dania Suarez and the SS agents below. It essentially seems to be a disagreement about payment and services rendered. And in my understanding most of these SS agents ruined their careers (And marriages if they had them) because of a row about a few hundred dollars. Thye also messed up r&r for thousands of their co workers because they are now all under a microscope. As I stated before, it is my view that it is better to agree prices and services up front, ideally in writing (I. E. WhatsApp) to prevent this. I know others dissagree, but doesn't this saga support my viewpoint? Agreeing in writing also protect against false allegations.

  12. #11103

    Dania Suarez

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    I know that is what was reported in the media, but that is not what happened.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/0...ne-year-later/

    "Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'the have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price $800 Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

    Suarez would later claim that, had she been so inclined, she could have rifled through his belongings and obtained information of presumably vital national security. She speculatednot unreasonablythat this could have provided fodder for blackmail or that it might have been of interest to terrorists or organized criminals wanting to penetrate President Obama's security.

    At 6:30 the next morningThursday, April 12 the front-desk clerk called Huntington's room and said it was time for his guest to leave. Suarez asked for her payment. "I tell him, 'Baby, my cash money,' " she later told the New York Times.

    What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarezwho later wrote a book about her night with the agentclaimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

    Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friendwho didn't ask to be paidhad spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

    During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the moneyabout a third of what she claimed she was owedSuarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

    The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitutionwhich the hotel is accustomed to managingbut with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

    My take on this is you had a ho who saw that she was not supposed to be in this guy Huntington's room and thought she could shake him down. The notion the police were on her side is not likely IMO. The police certainly were not going to support her getting $800 for a night. That is like 2 months salary in Colombia. The fact that Bongino's gal did not ask to get paid is a strong indicator that this guy Hunington's comment about giving her gift were true and also he knew how to use the lingo that he was giving her a gift and not paying her wage. Outside of letting her in his room, he really did nothing wrong.

    You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.

    I was also at a Marriott hotel where I have elite type status. I had been in the hotel multiple times before with other women and had no incidents. I made sure to tip the front office people and the bellhop and called them by name so if there was an issue, it would be the nice gentleman who is a good customer with elite status versus a 2 bit ho. Most of the better hotels check the women in, check their cedula, and then make sure and call after to make sure there were no incidents.

    Don't think just because you are in a foreign country everyone is going to take the ho's side. That is just not true.
    How these SS agents could get mixed up with such an ugly dog face is beyond me. They deserve to get jammed up for the sole reason of letting this pig into their room.

  13. #11102

    I was just curious about her scam

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    LOL. How did you get that far? I always get random whatsapp messages with pictures of Chinese chicks. They try to act like they are looking for someone else. I try to pry and pry, but I have never had one to finally come out and ask me to send money.
    I just wanted to learn more about her scam, I never met her in person.

  14. #11101

    SA gals have been good so far

    Quote Originally Posted by NeilGeorge  [View Original Post]
    Dangerous, asking them to come over. You can get alot of fatties with thin photos, smellies, and others you would disqualify if you first met them.
    Given that I tend to have limited time on my vacations I just don't have time for meet and greets.

    All I can say is that out of about 30 gals I have met on SA in Guadalajara, Cabo and Bogota only of them of them didn't appeal to me. So we had coffee, chatted, then she left with a small tip.

  15. #11100
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.
    Frankly speaking, this is a new territory for me. I find it easier for me if things are transparent and transactional. That way, I can establish boundaries and establish certain levels of expectation, and I would know if things would work or not early on.

    The Colombian girl who flew into Bogota and spent time with me there in my last trip, even though I have treated her as a friend and her feeling towards me is mutual, I established the compensation of her time upfront before I agree to have her get onto the plane to see me. She has to take time off from work after all. Of course, I also mentioned that I would cover her travel expenses. I would say that she trusted me since she would pay for the plane tickets and all these transportations up front, and never mention even once about the payment after we met. It's funny how at one time, she would even offer to pay for the Mileroticos girl that we had ordered together. In a way, I made her feel like I am paying for her professional services like a consultant jejeje.

    Having said that, I am still trying to learn more about navigating around scenarios where things may not be as transparent. Perhaps I can use the direct approach that Pussycat has used about making clear the amount that I would pay upfront. However, for scenario where I simply want a date to dine in a restaurant or go clubbing, with no mention of any gift or transaction and maybe ended up having sex after that. The next morning could make for an awkward situation. If the girls turned out to be civilians with a regular job, will they be offended if I hand them the money? If so, how would I know if the amount given is insufficient in her view that it offends her? What if she demanded a certain amount in which I deem unreasonable? I am visualizing all the potential drama and the headache. The truth is that I am actually a noobie on this front.

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