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  1. #11109
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    If you want to give her something (and you should be able to tell if a chick is a WG after all I listed before), focus on her needs like a BF would "You said your grandmother had arthritis. How much does medicine for that cost here? I do not want her to be in such pain". Or you can slip money in her pocket and tell her you left her a gift.
    Everybody is not into that act like I am not a hooker and find other reasons to give me money thing. My Venezuelan girl in Peru makes $8 per day. I gave her $25 to get back and forth because she was coming to see me after work everyday. She got angry and said it felt like I was paying her and gave the money back. You want to be careful not to insult someone like that.

  2. #11108

    A few months in Colombia

    Been living in Bogota for nearly 4 months now, with trips to Brazil and Mexico here and there. Must have met over 40 ISG members and shown the city to many, people from all ages and walks of life. Several of whom have become friends, and I have to admit I feel indebted towards the forum because of that. Though business was not my intention when first arriving, through serendipity, ended up at advanced negotiations with a Colombian conglomerate. My stay has been more than P2 P, over the months I've experienced a lot of what the city has to offer. Add to that the connections I've built with locals, expats, diplomats, being fluent in Spanish. And I almost feel at home, quite frankly.

    A few points:

    -Santa Fe. The good: There is always some talent, and it's really cheap. The bad: you get what you pay for. The vast majority of SF's population isn't actually working girls, but young Venezuelan refugee guys who are just roaming the streets and hanging out. Wouldn't consider it dangerous but I wouldn't be naive to call it safe. Fortunately, this board allows you to find other members to go with, which makes the whole experience much better.

    SF just isn't for everyone. Rooms are filthy and depending on your level of cleanliness this might or might not be an issue. Then again, what can you expect at this price? If you're on a tight budget, SF is the way to go. If you're not, there are better options for a better experience. I enjoy my comfort and rather spend more for more. Aside from the initial novelty factor, the longer I've been in Bogota, the less I've went. That being said I suggest you visit it and see it. I still enjoy SF in 2 ways: to party every once in a while in one of the bars, more for the stripclub and party environment than for getting laid. And to check for new talent, test drive it and if it's good, meet them outside (sadly this isn't always possible as many girls in SF don't have an ID and a cellphone). To better my experience, I've made good contacts in SF from bar owners, managers, waiters, security and obviously girls. Suggest you do the same. This definitely enhances the experience when you're treated well and know your way around.

    -SA. Been one of my favorite playgrounds for years, having met hundreds of girls, strictly in America. First time experiencing it here and overall I would say SA in Colombia is not bad but has less quantity and less quality than other cities in America that have yielded better results for me. I also found the percentage of hardcore pros to be substantially higher on SA in Colombia than in America.

    -Other P2P options: Eroticas Bogota is good for escorts. For a different experience, there's an upscale massage place called Nanxing Spa. Wasn't impressed by Lido as talent was similar to SF. Hard to believe that in a country like Colombia, there isn't a place anywhere near the level of experience you can get in Hong-Kong / Cascadas in Tijuana!

    -Non P2 P: as far as I'm concerned, this is where Bogota shines. Keeping it short because this is a P2 P forum. Tinder: Better than in America. Just like in most developing countries, girls are generally bored and want to meet. Bars / clubs: Girls are usually approachable and you will be surprised at how many girls speak English and are well-travelled. Steadily been going out to Zona T where I have my favorite spots. I was pleasantly surprised at how receptive and willing to meet most girls are.

    Can't say there is one place to meet the best girls in town. Rather what I've done is entertain all options and pick the top 5% from each of them: SF and the best 3-4 Fiebre / Troya girls, SA and the non-P2 P options. That is how I've built a rotation with top talent.

    Restaurants: food is actually much better than expected in Bogota! Though obviously not at the level of Brazil or Mexico. Suggest the following places: LEO for a romantic dinner, Osk Peru for a Miami vibe in a hot spot, Agave Azul for a speakeasy setup. Other places with good food and ambiance: La Cabrera, El Chato, Castanyoles.

    Bogota doesn't do anything extremely well, but rather does many things quite well. It is not a city of extremes, like its cousin Sao Paulo. Colombia, Brazil and Mexico each have their pros and cons and there's no perfect place. I like all 3.

  3. #11107
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    It's funny how at one time, she would even offer to pay for the Mileroticos girl that we had ordered together. In a way, I made her feel like I am paying for her professional services like a consultant jejeje.
    You understand when she does that she is telling you she wants to date you and does not want money from you right? She wants money spent on her like a GF would. I took 2 girls, a GF and her cousin, to the free breakfast at the Marriott Courtyard, and they thought it was the finest dining they had ever been to. Your gal probably lives in a boring town in a room the size of your closet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    However, for scenario where I simply want a date to dine in a restaurant or go clubbing, with no mention of any gift or transaction and maybe ended up having sex after that. The next morning could make for an awkward situation. If the girls turned out to be civilians with a regular job, will they be offended if I hand them the money? If so, how would I know if the amount given is insufficient in her view that it offends her? What if she demanded a certain amount in which I deem unreasonable? I am visualizing all the potential drama and the headache. The truth is that I am actually a noobie on this front.
    You keep thinking like a john where you have to pay. It is only awkward because you have been a john so much in the past. Ask her out again and she what she says. If she says yes, I would not pay her anything and schedule a nice date with her.

    If you want to give her something (and you should be able to tell if a chick is a WG after all I listed before), focus on her needs like a BF would "You said your grandmother had arthritis. How much does medicine for that cost here? I do not want her to be in such pain". Or you can slip money in her pocket and tell her you left her a gift.

    If the gal is a ho type, she will let you know if you need to pay her. And if there is a conflict, pay what you think is right or stand up to her if you think it is excessive. You guys are so used to being pussy whipped in the USA.

  4. #11106
    Hello,

    I want to visit Bobota soon. I read a lot of your reports, thanks for them!

    I will probably try Seeking Arrangements. My question: how high is the percentage of skinny girls there, who can speak English? From your experience?

    Thank you very much!

  5. #11105
    Quote Originally Posted by Pussycat123  [View Original Post]
    Agreeing in writing also protect against false allegations.
    If you think that then it is obvious that you have never been to Sosua.

  6. #11104

    The less disagreements, the better

    I was reading the saga about Dania Suarez and the SS agents below. It essentially seems to be a disagreement about payment and services rendered. And in my understanding most of these SS agents ruined their careers (And marriages if they had them) because of a row about a few hundred dollars. Thye also messed up r&r for thousands of their co workers because they are now all under a microscope. As I stated before, it is my view that it is better to agree prices and services up front, ideally in writing (I. E. WhatsApp) to prevent this. I know others dissagree, but doesn't this saga support my viewpoint? Agreeing in writing also protect against false allegations.

  7. #11103

    Dania Suarez

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    I know that is what was reported in the media, but that is not what happened.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/0...ne-year-later/

    "Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'the have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price $800 Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

    Suarez would later claim that, had she been so inclined, she could have rifled through his belongings and obtained information of presumably vital national security. She speculatednot unreasonablythat this could have provided fodder for blackmail or that it might have been of interest to terrorists or organized criminals wanting to penetrate President Obama's security.

    At 6:30 the next morningThursday, April 12 the front-desk clerk called Huntington's room and said it was time for his guest to leave. Suarez asked for her payment. "I tell him, 'Baby, my cash money,' " she later told the New York Times.

    What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarezwho later wrote a book about her night with the agentclaimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

    Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friendwho didn't ask to be paidhad spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

    During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the moneyabout a third of what she claimed she was owedSuarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

    The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitutionwhich the hotel is accustomed to managingbut with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

    My take on this is you had a ho who saw that she was not supposed to be in this guy Huntington's room and thought she could shake him down. The notion the police were on her side is not likely IMO. The police certainly were not going to support her getting $800 for a night. That is like 2 months salary in Colombia. The fact that Bongino's gal did not ask to get paid is a strong indicator that this guy Hunington's comment about giving her gift were true and also he knew how to use the lingo that he was giving her a gift and not paying her wage. Outside of letting her in his room, he really did nothing wrong.

    You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.

    I was also at a Marriott hotel where I have elite type status. I had been in the hotel multiple times before with other women and had no incidents. I made sure to tip the front office people and the bellhop and called them by name so if there was an issue, it would be the nice gentleman who is a good customer with elite status versus a 2 bit ho. Most of the better hotels check the women in, check their cedula, and then make sure and call after to make sure there were no incidents.

    Don't think just because you are in a foreign country everyone is going to take the ho's side. That is just not true.
    How these SS agents could get mixed up with such an ugly dog face is beyond me. They deserve to get jammed up for the sole reason of letting this pig into their room.

  8. #11102

    I was just curious about her scam

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    LOL. How did you get that far? I always get random whatsapp messages with pictures of Chinese chicks. They try to act like they are looking for someone else. I try to pry and pry, but I have never had one to finally come out and ask me to send money.
    I just wanted to learn more about her scam, I never met her in person.

  9. #11101

    SA gals have been good so far

    Quote Originally Posted by NeilGeorge  [View Original Post]
    Dangerous, asking them to come over. You can get alot of fatties with thin photos, smellies, and others you would disqualify if you first met them.
    Given that I tend to have limited time on my vacations I just don't have time for meet and greets.

    All I can say is that out of about 30 gals I have met on SA in Guadalajara, Cabo and Bogota only of them of them didn't appeal to me. So we had coffee, chatted, then she left with a small tip.

  10. #11100
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.
    Frankly speaking, this is a new territory for me. I find it easier for me if things are transparent and transactional. That way, I can establish boundaries and establish certain levels of expectation, and I would know if things would work or not early on.

    The Colombian girl who flew into Bogota and spent time with me there in my last trip, even though I have treated her as a friend and her feeling towards me is mutual, I established the compensation of her time upfront before I agree to have her get onto the plane to see me. She has to take time off from work after all. Of course, I also mentioned that I would cover her travel expenses. I would say that she trusted me since she would pay for the plane tickets and all these transportations up front, and never mention even once about the payment after we met. It's funny how at one time, she would even offer to pay for the Mileroticos girl that we had ordered together. In a way, I made her feel like I am paying for her professional services like a consultant jejeje.

    Having said that, I am still trying to learn more about navigating around scenarios where things may not be as transparent. Perhaps I can use the direct approach that Pussycat has used about making clear the amount that I would pay upfront. However, for scenario where I simply want a date to dine in a restaurant or go clubbing, with no mention of any gift or transaction and maybe ended up having sex after that. The next morning could make for an awkward situation. If the girls turned out to be civilians with a regular job, will they be offended if I hand them the money? If so, how would I know if the amount given is insufficient in her view that it offends her? What if she demanded a certain amount in which I deem unreasonable? I am visualizing all the potential drama and the headache. The truth is that I am actually a noobie on this front.

  11. #11099
    Quote Originally Posted by GoldMembr  [View Original Post]
    Hi Elvis, thanks for your thoughtful insight, it make a lot of sense. I've possibly a dumb question. If you don't talk price beforehand in Colombia then what's to keep the girl from going after, "Oh, you owe me 2 million pesos, if you don't pay I'm going to the police. " This exact thing happened ten years ago in Cartagena and some guys got in lots of trouble.
    I know that is what was reported in the media, but that is not what happened.

    https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/0...ne-year-later/

    "Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'the have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price $800 Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

    Suarez would later claim that, had she been so inclined, she could have rifled through his belongings and obtained information of presumably vital national security. She speculatednot unreasonablythat this could have provided fodder for blackmail or that it might have been of interest to terrorists or organized criminals wanting to penetrate President Obama's security.

    At 6:30 the next morningThursday, April 12 the front-desk clerk called Huntington's room and said it was time for his guest to leave. Suarez asked for her payment. "I tell him, 'Baby, my cash money,' " she later told the New York Times.

    What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarezwho later wrote a book about her night with the agentclaimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

    Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friendwho didn't ask to be paidhad spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

    During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the moneyabout a third of what she claimed she was owedSuarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

    The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitutionwhich the hotel is accustomed to managingbut with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

    My take on this is you had a ho who saw that she was not supposed to be in this guy Huntington's room and thought she could shake him down. The notion the police were on her side is not likely IMO. The police certainly were not going to support her getting $800 for a night. That is like 2 months salary in Colombia. The fact that Bongino's gal did not ask to get paid is a strong indicator that this guy Hunington's comment about giving her gift were true and also he knew how to use the lingo that he was giving her a gift and not paying her wage. Outside of letting her in his room, he really did nothing wrong.

    You never say never but understand I was dealing with students, a woman who sold merchandise, an engineer, government worker. I thought that because prostitution was legal in Colombia that the stigma of being a ho was not as bad as here in the USA. I was wrong; it is worse. So any woman who says my price is not met would be stigmatized as being a ho. It really never came up in Colombia.

    I was also at a Marriott hotel where I have elite type status. I had been in the hotel multiple times before with other women and had no incidents. I made sure to tip the front office people and the bellhop and called them by name so if there was an issue, it would be the nice gentleman who is a good customer with elite status versus a 2 bit ho. Most of the better hotels check the women in, check their cedula, and then make sure and call after to make sure there were no incidents.

    Don't think just because you are in a foreign country everyone is going to take the ho's side. That is just not true.

  12. #11098
    These catfish types are all over every dating site I know. I now ignore any Asian ads that mention crypto. Another oddity is the amount of Chinese women with Spanish text in their profile. Small sample size so far, but those also appear to be scammers.

    Unless it is close to where I physically reside at the time, I will not travel more than 30 minutes to meet anyone I have not seen on a real time video call. Just too much BS out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pussycat123  [View Original Post]
    Catfishing in my understanding means someone uses a fake profile for the purpose of scamming.

    I have never experienced this in Bogota, every girl I met seemed legit and in most cases looked at least as good as the photos.

    I did find an apparent catfish in Mexico however. I started chatting with a hot Chinese gal in Guadalara . First of all, wtf is a hot Chinese gal doing on SA in GDL. Then guess what, she suddently started talking about investing in crypto currency. She wanted me to wire $500k to her fathers crypto outfit in Singapore so she can "Invest" it. It was a once in a lifetime, ground floor opportunity...lucky me?

    Basic rule: if something seems to good to be true, or seems "Fishy" (LOL), it probably is.

  13. #11097
    Quote Originally Posted by BigButtDetecto  [View Original Post]
    Why pay for a ambiguous dating website when you can have a straight service from milleroticos or mundosexoannuncios for free?
    Because some people are looking for personable company and not just the straight-up fucking.

  14. #11096

    Sa

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Igor I do not recall anyone on this forum using seeking before I did in mid 2019. I would send a woman a message. We would go on WhatsApp and arrange a meeting. Early on, I cannot remember mentioning price with anyone. We would meet and some of the time just go right to bed. Other times, the women would meet and want a price. Sometimes I would tell them no. If the price was reasonable, and I was attracted to them then I would fuck them but in my mind they were a WG. The best sex seemed to always be with the women who never mentioned a price though.

    I have been doing the sugar daddy thing for over 10 years now. The goal is to make women take some form of payment for sex but not feel they are hos. You want them to feel as if you are giving a gift versus paying a wage.

    As far as how to tell they are hos, they have been on the website for a long time, ask for money up front, ask that you get them an uber or taxi, show their cedula without being asked when at the hotel, bring their own condoms, live in the worst parts of town, and you can say they go about having sex in a ritual or job like way with a limited amount of passion and run for the door when done.

    On average, the working women perform better than seeking women but the top women from seeking beat the top working women because of the passion they bring. And the top seeking women have unsurpassed beauty. I have met three beauty queens off the site, two from Colombia and one from Venezuela.

    And if you want a gal like I have, you have to let go of these bullshit preconceived notions like the women want the young Colombian studs. Some do, but there are others on seeking who do not. Hell, they will say they want guys age 30 to 60 in their profile. I am late 50's, overweight, and have a young 30 something woman my friends have called a 10. She has modeled for decades and insists on being fucked 3 X a day, and when I lasted visited her, ran to me in the airport with a balloon and cake in hand. And she is the third Colombian GF I have met from the site and my 4th from South America. I have never met and found a GF or what I consider a sugar baby off of seeking that mentioned a price before we met.

    I am only seeing my current gal now, but I have had sugar babies from the USA, Mexico and Colombia. In fact over the holidays four of them reached out to me and asked how things were going with me and my woman, and I know why. They wanted me taking them out again. When I said things were fine, they lied and said they were happy for me. I know they had a ball when we were together and miss the life I showed them.

    That said, it is not easy. You will get stood up. You will have your time wasted, let down a rabbit hole. You may get hurt and financially taken advantage of when a ho pretends to be a sugar baby but all she cares about is money. They will fool you with their addictions and mental illness. Many of the hottest women have boyfriends and will lie about being single. My current gal hid that she had a daughter from me. This all women are hos crap is to prevent guys from being hurt but it is completely illogical. There are women out there, a distinct minority for sure, who can be trusted, and those are the ones I want to invest my time and money on. You just have to kiss a lot of frogs before you meet your princess.
    Why pay for a ambiguous dating website when you can have a straight service from milleroticos or mundosexoannuncios for free?

  15. #11095
    Quote Originally Posted by Pussycat123  [View Original Post]
    I did find an apparent catfish in Mexico however. I started chatting with a hot Chinese gal in Guadalara . First of all, wtf is a hot Chinese gal doing on SA in GDL. Then guess what, she suddently started talking about investing in crypto currency. She wanted me to wire $500k to her fathers crypto outfit in Singapore so she can "Invest" it. It was a once in a lifetime, ground floor opportunity...lucky me?
    LOL. How did you get that far? I always get random whatsapp messages with pictures of Chinese chicks. They try to act like they are looking for someone else. I try to pry and pry, but I have never had one to finally come out and ask me to send money.

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