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  1. #7271
    Quote Originally Posted by Santrago  [View Original Post]
    How's the scene in Santa Fe and Chapinero on Sunday and Monday night?

    Going next week but only have time those nights, 9/1 and 9/2.

    Santa Fe is always better not alone, so looking for a wingman. I want to try la 49 as well given the recent good reports.
    I have been hanging out with an ISG member, a cool guy. Maybe he will reach out to you like he did me. It was fun having a wing man, but I don't think Santa Fe is all that dangerous. I met up with Woodman one night. He is a great guy and gave me the lay of the land. I have been 4 X: once during the day by myself, once with Woodman, and twice with the other guy from ISG. I was with two girls from the street who were standing in front of the hotels. They were young, and they were okay. They didn't really know how to give head all that well and I negotiated oral without for 50 k with each of them.

    I have been with Asakira twice. She is a 21 year old Venezuelan stripper who I think is at least a 9 and moves like a 10. I did TLN for $100 with her one night in my hotel. I saw her back at Troya and went upstairs with her. The sex was again unfucking real, and this time I paid around 70 k or $20.

    After being with Asakira and talking to Woodman and the ISG member, I really saw no reason to go to any of the Chaperino spa places, casas, or high end clubs. It seems like a complete waste of money.

    Routard's guide to Colombia is one of the best pieces I have seen written on this site, and I have read it two or three times. He did a great service to the forum with his guide.

    We headed out to the clubs he mentioned in primer de mayo, and I don't think either of us were all that impressed. There were much more aggressive men pushing you into the clubs than in the Santa Fe area, and while the female: male ratio on a Saturday night was way better than Santa Fe, the prices weren't all that great. We were quoted 40 k for a show or lap dance, 100 k, and were told by one girl that she doesn't do shows. In Santa Fe, I paid 20 and 25 k for shows. Maybe if you found a great gal in primer de mayo, it would be worth going to, but I thought Santa Fe was safer, cheaper, and better.

    I have been using Colombian Cupid, Latin American Cupid, and seeking arrangement to find regular women or semi-pros and it has been a lot of work, but it has yielded some very pleasant experiences. If you want GFE+++, that is the way to go.

    When I was here and in Medellin a decade or so ago, I wasn't that impressed. The Colombian women appeared to be very scared, and I couldn't for the life of me get any one of them to kiss, give BBBJ or do GFE+++. I think what has changed at least for me has been using the google translator. Even though I only speak a little Spanish, I have been able to communicate with these women using GT with no problem at all, and that fear is gone. I can see why guys are so crazy for Colombian women now. They are really tender, loving, sweet, and good hearted. I still think the Brazilians overall perform better, but the Colombian women have made me feel much more special. They love to please their man.

    Yeah, there are the idiot foreigners who have way overpaid some women and once a woman is paid a ton one time, she thinks that she is worth that from then on. I had one woman who wanted $300 for an hour, one who wanted $500 a day and went down to $400, and finally, an English speaking Colombian who wanted $700 for a whole day. I couldn't believe the women asked for this much and there are guys out there dumb enough to pay it.

    I came to Colombia to find an intimate, sugar baby type relationship with a woman who has the potential to grow into more than that. I was hoping to find one prospect, and I have found three so far, and the trip is only half over.

    I also found an amazing 19 year old swimsuit model who is kind of half of a sugar baby. I really don't know what term to use for a woman who fucks for money but won't fuck just anybody for money. The best I could come up with is sugar baby escort. Anyway, I invited her to Cancun and asked if she could find one of her modeling friends to come with her for a friend of mine. She was thrilled with the suggestion. She sent a picture of her friend and I asked that she bring her along the next time we met. She asked me, "Oh, you want to do a threesome?" That wasn't my intention but I wasn't going to say no.

    It has been an amazing trip for me, and all I can say is God bless Colombia. If you can't have fun here, I am not sure you can have fun anywhere.

  2. #7270
    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    If you can lose a girl to a guy with a better body, or more money, you never had her in the first place..
    Are you really quoting a guy who misquoted me? Seriously? Don't let the fact that I didn't lose the girl to a guy with more money or a better body get in the way of your opinion though.

    Quote Originally Posted by JjBee62  [View Original Post]
    The whole "all Venezuelans" stuff is pure garbage.

    I haven't had experience with all Venezuelans yet.
    Then why would you post anything else?

    Let me ask you and ME this question then given your incredible "knowledge" on Venezuela.

    Venezuela has larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia so why is Saudi Arabia a rich country and Venezuela a poor one?

  3. #7269
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I am plenty of people's friend; I am nobody's bank. There is a difference. You however, after being someone's bank, is saying how terrible an entire nationality is. I should be the one asking if YOU are serious.

    I guess you still don't know what the Beetles were singing of when they said that money can't buy me love.
    If you can lose a girl to a guy with a better body, or more money, you never had her in the first place.

    The whole "all Venezuelans" stuff is pure garbage.

    I haven't had experience with all Venezuelans yet. I guess I have some catching up to do. I did have experience with 1 Venezuelan. The first 2 times I was trying her out as a webcam model. She had potential. If she'd known some English, she would have done well. The third meeting with her she said she didn't want to do the webcam, but she would be happy to earn the money making it up to me. We spent about 2 hours just talking, working into a bit of foreplay, which became an excellent, long session. If I wasn't busy with everything else, I'd have gotten around to a few more dates.

    Plenty of time went by and she hit me on Whatsapp. Chatted a bit. Told her my current situation, she told me hers. After that she checked in a few more times. Never asked for anything, never mentioned any problems.

    Hit her up again in June, to let her know I'd be back in July. She was in Venezuela, but hoping to get back to Medellin before I arrived. No request for money, no sob story. Told me what she was working on and that was all. Once I was on the ground I checked in again and learned she hoped to be in Medellin while I was there.

    She arrived, let me know and we set up a date to see a movie. I paid for a coffee. I offered to pay for a beer, she declined. I paid for the movie and I had my taxi drop her where she's staying, on my way home.

    The next day she called to ask for a favor. I was expecting she would finally ask for money. Instead, she asked if she could use the apartment to take some pictures. She showed up, paid her own taxi and I took some pics and video of her. We chatted for a while. I wasn't feeling a strong urge to get her into bed, she wasn't feeling it either, so I walked her out, flagged down a taxi and said goodbye.

    We're still in contact. When I return, we'll probably get together again. Maybe another movie, maybe dinner, or maybe she'll be spending the night with me. The one thing I'm certain she won't do is turn into a gold digger.

    She also seems to have had no problems learning capitalism. She's been paying her own way. When I met her for the movie I had to wait while she bought a new Samsung A50 at the Claro store. She even offered to pay for the coffee.

  4. #7268

    Bogota Sunday and Monday night

    How's the scene in Santa Fe and Chapinero on Sunday and Monday night?

    Going next week but only have time those nights, 9/1 and 9/2.

    Santa Fe is always better not alone, so looking for a wingman. I want to try la 49 as well given the recent good reports.

    I'm young and like to party / drink, I'm fluent in Spanish.

    Hit me up if I'm Bogota those dates.

  5. #7267

    Tall man / cucuta

    Quote Originally Posted by TheTallMan  [View Original Post]
    Spot on from JjBee. Listen up to all your "hopeless romantics", first I must admit that I too use to fall into this category but here in Colombia the very best advice that I can give anyone is do NOT take anything or anyone serious, especially the chicas. I will be the first to admit that I had to learn this life lesson.

    I don't give a shit how well they fuck you in bed or how they can look into your eyes and your feeling that they are touching your soul, how when they tell you that "age difference does not matter" or how they treat you when around in public. Enjoy it ABSOLUTELY but never take anything serious.

    I know it is difficult but please follow this advice. I can spend days detailing real experiences that I have had and some ongoing, hell just twice in the past 2 days with 2 different paisas proclaiming their undying love and devotion to me and guess what? Yep this same chicas are some of the girls that some of you think is all into you..
    Your mailbox is full. Did you make it to Cucuta? And any idea how to motivate / pay bus fare (for a vnz girl and know if she will show up?

  6. #7266
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Are you serious? Are you really bragging about this? This is how you treat a "friend"?
    I am plenty of people's friend; I am nobody's bank. There is a difference. You however, after being someone's bank, is saying how terrible an entire nationality is. I should be the one asking if YOU are serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis 2008  [View Original Post]
    I was concerned about losing my gal to another guy: a guy with rip roaring abs or one who gave her more cash.
    I guess you still don't know what the Beetles were singing of when they said that money can't buy me love.

  7. #7265
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.
    Indeed. Just one small difference. In the US those are a minority and in V'zla they are a majority. Extreme leftward views with which sadly some in the US are flirting invariably lead to such an outcome. I trust that the majority in the US have the sense to know that, but if I am wrong in that, then the US is not immune to such developments either. Might just take a bit more time.

  8. #7264
    Hello ISG,

    Last night was a very fun night, we went to Pasarela Club and had a very fun moment, prices are as the regular clubs in Santa Fe, but this club is in 49 and Caracas, there are three more clubs.

    The amazing thing of the night was discovering the night club Fourty Nine, because it is awesome, I would say that is the best club I have been in Bogota, it has really nice VIP section, nice very nice girls, and a lot of other places inside it that it makes you feel that you are not in Bogota, well I hope you have the opportunity to come.

    Johny V.

  9. #7263
    Quote Originally Posted by Turgid  [View Original Post]
    In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.
    In Venezuela, teachers asked their students to pray to God to give them ice cream. They prayed and got nothing. The teachers then asked them to pray to Hugo Chavez, and they did so, and the teachers gave them ice cream. The teachers then told the students that they could trust Hugo Chavez more than God.

    The sad part is I can today see an American politician read the above story, stroking his chin saying, "Hmmm, not a bad idea."

  10. #7262
    YK,

    I get you guys are trying to be helpful, but the cynicism you and me show towards women is pretty incredible. I don't regret my relationship with my fiance it all. There is something to be said for wanting to lay in her arms all night versus just fuck, the special way a woman in love looks at you. I have been cynical too. I didn't think I could fall in love again, didn't think it was in me to want to be monogamous with someone again, but I did. We were together for 2 years. What broke us up was that she didn't understand how free markets were. This company she "worked" for was very slick, but that is all they were, and she, being from a socialist country, fell for a multilevel marketing scheme that I doubt she would have fell for if she lived in a capitalist country. People from Venezuela are different because of what they have been told, what they have seen, and you can talk to the average Colombian about Venezuelans, and they will share their views which are practically identical to mine.

    It's different than when the USSR fell and Russian women stormed the scene in the late 1990's. Those women were kept in the dark, but it is similar in that Venezuelans have to learn the rules of capitalism. They come from a country where they see people eating out of the trash, leaders who derided capitalism but stuffed their pockets full of cash. The American Dream doesn't exist in Venezuela. If you work hard, had a long term perspective, and provided solutions in the market place, you were a sucker. The government would steal you blind. The people who got rich in Venezuela are / were self serving drug dealers and thieves. That affects people. My gal thought this multilevel marketing shit was going to make her a millionaire, and she didn't tell me about it because she knew I was cynical of it. She still believes that she will be rich doing it BTW. I shouldn't have put the stuff in there about seeing another man. I think it was more about how she was hiding who she was from me that made her sexually frigid in the end. And you guys don't get this part. Both our families were cynical of our relationship and when they saw us together, they wanted it to work out. It wasn't just me who bought into the dream.

    And the reason I posted my story was to warn people about Venezuelans. They ARE different because of what they have seen, what they have been told. I was concerned about losing my gal to another guy: a guy with rip roaring abs or one who gave her more cash. I never thought I would lose her to a con man.

    I think what you guys ARE talking about is falling for a woman like this Santa Fe stripper I met. The best lay of the trip so far has been Asakira. She dances at Troya. Well, all the women move around the clubs down there, but that was the one club where we met. I invited her back to my hotel. She was up for $100 for TLN. I paid for the hotel versus in house facilities because she agreed to DFK and BBBJs OTC. She was so good in bed that a lot of guys would fall for her right there. Her BBBJ may have been the best I have ever had. The reason I am sharing her name is because outside of another roll in the hay, I am not interested in anything else with her.

    I don't get the part about being with someone every day. For 18 months, there were no issues with me and my gal. If she were in a position where she could have come to the USA, it might have worked even better. I was giving her in a month what I paid a SB for a night with me. Paying for a USA Girl with her qualities for a week or two in Mexico would have cost four, maybe even five figures in the past. You can video chat for free these days and we did every week. Shit, half of the times I have bought an American woman a ticket for a trip, I have been stiffed. American women are scared of traveling for some reason. My gal loved it, and here in Colombia, every woman I have offered up a trip with has ate it up, and they have jumped at the meager amount per day I have offered. I probably am going to cut the offer in half and see what happens.

    It's never easy to know how much to give. Steve Jobs said it was easier to make money than to give it away. It's tricky. You want to give enough so a woman can do anything but not enough so they do nothing. That is a paraphrased line from Warren Buffett, and I am skeptical of anyone who thinks they have the answer on how much the right amount is to give any woman.

    Yes, I want to recreate what I had. I am not forcing love, but I want to be with someone with the potential for love. I am interested in seeing a Colombian woman for a week vacation and see what happens from there. The price is too high for quality American women. I had some of the best looking and best performing SBs you guys have ever seen: Bud Light girl, college cheerleader, a woman who was a dead ringer for a SI swimsuit model, but I never thought about getting serious with any of them. They all had a screw loose, and they want marriage for something serious. I know Hollywood talks of Romance and the hell of divorce is not talked about nearly enough. 50% of my income? Fuck that.

    I have met and bedded several Colombian women now. Just because they are professionals does not mean they aren't hucksters, but it is cynical to think they are all hucksters. The best lay was the Santa Fe stripper, but the test time I had was with a 2nd grade teacher, and she was great in the sack. The woman loved sucking cock. In between her, who never even gave me a price tag, was an engineer asking for $400 a day and a lawyer who wanted $300. I kicked them both to the curb. The other one with potential for a vacation was a 19 year old who is a model / finance student. She is too young for anything serious, but she would be fun to hang with for a week. And I have more lined up. It's been a busy week.

  11. #7261
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    ............I don't think you can live in a country that fucked up and leave it unscathed, people eating from the trash. Jesus. It would be nice to see someone commit to a Venezuelan and them honor their word............
    In San Francisco people are eating from the trash and pooping on the streets.

  12. #7260
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    It is easy for me to do because being a player I have probably 100 or so chicks and I am not trying to settle down like that.
    Slapping my knee, this is cracking me up so much. How do you find the time to post so much with a harem like that swooning over you?

  13. #7259
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I have a friend that lives in Venezuela and she comes to visit me in the states every couple of years. I have known her at least 10 years. Recently she had to sell her car because she could not afford a battery for it. She plans to go to Chile but can only afford for 1 person to go so she is sending her daughter. She has never asked me for shit! Should I go volunteering to move her to Chile?
    Are you serious? Are you really bragging about this? This is how you treat a "friend"?

  14. #7258
    Quote Originally Posted by YippieKayay  [View Original Post]
    Yes they will use you and lie to you. Don't let them. In the animal kingdom you need to be assertive. I've been burned before in my early days of mongering but not as bad. Here's how to do it properly:

    (1) Stop looking for love in foreign places. You can find it where you live. It doesn't even need to be romantic love. A good female friend is just as valuable and sufficient.

    (2) All Latinas who take money from extranjeros (foreigners) to support themselves are going to have at least one, sometimes more, local guys they party with and fuck. Especially in Colombia women don't go out alone so they always need a guy to go with. Usually these guys are scumbags who mooch off the chica since you keep supporting her. Sometimes they are just weak men who can't find anyone except a prostitute to be with them.

    (3) Don't talk long term or any of that shit. You don't want to be the guy I mention in point (2). You want to be the rich guy who fucks her like a champ whenever you're in town.

    (4) Accept the fact that fucking and dating for short periods when you visit is all you're going to get. Everything else is just lies, pain and suffering.

    Go to Colombia. Have a good time. Take some photos. When you get back you can look at the photos and remember the good times. Unless you move there that's all you should expect.
    If you want to see the truth of #2, go hang out around Western Union and watch. You'll see the hot chicks go in to pick up money. They'll almost always have 2 guys with them. One is the boyfriend. The other is his friend. After they get the money, she'll take them out partying.

  15. #7257
    Quote Originally Posted by IronQuinn  [View Original Post]
    Jesus, you this harsh with everybody? I think he realizes his mistake without the salt you're pouring. Plus, I'd re-read those texts. That girl's not asking you "directly", but she's laying some hints. If she's got the cash to travel to the States, and send her daughter to Chile, the cost of a visa, along with a $50 daily limit is peanuts. You know she'd like to go, be a pal and send her the cash, ha, ha. You speak with her in English? -I'm just messing with you, man. I think his post was a good story shared. This forum is all about helping the next guy.

    So, how does all this banter contribute to the forum: There's been a lot of bad luck out there with Venezuelans. Take heed, gents.
    It's a harsh world. You're not doing anyone a favor by sugar coating everything.

    Substitute an American from Texas for his Venezuelan and I had the same experience. It hits you in the gut when you find out the woman who has been telling your whole family how much she loves you, is out shopping for a better deal. It's even worse when her mother is telling you how much her daughter loves you, while the mother is setting her up with married sugar daddies.

    It's an expensive lesson to learn and money isn't the biggest cost.

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