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  2. #2320
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    Despite being heavily vaccinated, most of Europe is near all time highs in Covid cases.
    Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway are all at an all time high number of Covid cases right now.
    Sweden's number of cases right now is only at 20% of its all time peak.
    Haha, that is funny. Even NZ, which thinks they live in a different universe to the rest of us, is going thru a peak.

    You know, what I would love most of all. Is for this fantasy to end the pandemic. To find out that COVID can be transmitted by birds. Now that would be hilarious. Could you imagine how soon that would bring a halt to all this BS?

  3. #2319

    We need more to question authority, not less

    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.
    Typical American? WTF?

    https://www.mic.com/articles/108578/...have-in-common

  4. #2318

    More data

    From Europe. Despite being heavily vaccinated, most of Europe is near all time highs in Covid cases.

    While none of this funny, there is irony to be enjoyed. You see there is a ring of countries right now at an all time high number of cases and those are the ones in the Scandinavian region. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Norway are all at an all time high number of Covid cases right now.

    But there is one exception? Funny what country it might be? Yeah Sweden. Sweden's number of cases right now is only at 20% of its all time peak.

    Hmm, I wonder if Sweden did anything different that the rest of the world should emulate.

    And what did those douches say about Sweden again?

  5. #2317
    Quote Originally Posted by Huacho  [View Original Post]
    Yeah, so an ad hominem attack would be if I attacked TK and not his sources. Like if I said TK was an ignorant, uneducated, dangerous piece of shit. Now that would be an ad hominem attack. Instead, I am questioning his sources. You fucking idiot.
    You're a fucking moron, instead of attacking the message you attacked the messenger. You didn't question the quote as such but the person who said it.

    Its a classic ad hominem argument.

  6. #2316

    Touche'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want.
    JJquasimodo loves to say her time, her vagina, her money.

    Its quite fair to say medical autonomy and informed consent for new "vaxs" supercede what she claims, on the other hand if you want to join a monger community / forum to share intel and then when the pricing advice doesn't coincide with your sooper thirsty / desperate sexual persona, then you want to throw out that libertarian hyper self serving crap, I say don't let the door hit you in the vagina lips on the way out!

  7. #2315
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    That is complete bullshit. If the vaccinated were less likely to get the disease, the case numbers for 2021 would be lower than 2020 not just in the USA but the world.
    The sheeple keep repeating the same propagandised mistruths. It is illuminating that they just trot out the tropes, and never provide any evidence. Bcos such evidence does not exist. They keep repeating that they are less liikely to get infected, when what they mean is that they are less likely to get infected in the short term than a unvaxd and vulnerable person who has no natural immunity. So when you stack the cards in your favour, sure you are going to win. But that is not the real world. In the long term we are all going to get it and therefore we are all just as likely. . Same goes for the lie that the unvaxd are more contagious when they have it, the non-science that masks work (all RCTs ever conducted show no evidence that they work).

    Slowly, the smarter people will wake up to what is going on. It might take them a couple more jabs, a few deaths of their vaxd family and friends, but eventually they will question WTF were they thinking? That they have fall enfor another pile of government BS, that they have been duped.

    About quotes. What does it matter who said / wrote a quote? What is important are the words, not the morality of the person. Even the words greatest humanitarian leaders did some terrible things. And some of the world's most evll people had brilliant minds. Joseph Goebbels was one of the sharpest oraticians.

    "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and / or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. ".

    "Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will. ".

    "To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole. ".

    "Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place. ".

    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

  8. #2314
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    The focus has to be on who is getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly.
    You made a similar statement before. Where is the data to substantiate that claim?

  9. #2313

    Mr. E

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.

    Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.

    Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?
    You have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! And don't get caught using your fake vaccination card. That might result in you getting banned from going to one or more of your favorite mongering destinations around the world.

  10. #2312
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    When I read or hear stuff like this, it always strikes me as coming from people who just don't want to be accountable. They're the same ones who will say things like there is no such thing as "truth" or "right and wrong". No, they just don't want to be held accountable for their actions in the moment. I'm one of those people who does believe in truth and what's right and wrong. I'm not saying that they're easy to find and identify, or even necessarily always remain the same, but they do exist, and we as people need to strive to find them. You just strike me as the kind of guy who is always going to prioritize what you want to do above anything else, then try to muddy the waters by suggesting that maybe what's right really isn't, and vice versa, and make it all about you and your rights and how you're being treated so badly. The typical American. Far more concerned about your rights and self-expression, and not concerned enough about your obligations and self-restraint.
    Well of course. I am not waking up every morning living my life for Joe down the street; I am living my life for me. So you prioritize your life around other people? More power to you. As long as a person is not infringing on others then why should they not live their life how they see fit? It is like the saying I see on this board all the time, I spend my money how I want. You should also spend your life how you want. It is yours to do as you please.

    Where did I all of a sudden pick up some obligations and accountability that I did not sign up for and what are they? That sounds like some communist stuff. I live in a capitalistic constitutional republic where I am free to exercise my rights, and exercise them is what I shall do until the day I die. What I just ate for breakfast is not going to make anyone else's bowels move.

    Of course their is a such thing as truth or rather facts, but right and wrong depends on the perspective. From the perspective of Britain it was dead wrong for the colonists to be unaccountable in not honoring their obligation to pay their taxes and to take up arms against them, but from the colonists' perspective it was the right thing to do. Whose perspective of right and wrong is the one that matters or the true one and how is that decided?

  11. #2311

    Listen to the scientists LMFAO!

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....11.20062133v1

    Main outcome measures Estimated acute care and intensive care hospitalizations, COVID-19 attributable deaths, and infections among healthcare workers from 10 April until 29 June.

    Findings Our model for Sweden shows that, under conservative epidemiological parameter estimates, the current Swedish public-health strategy will result in a peak intensive-care load in May that exceeds pre-pandemic capacity by over 40-fold, with a median mortality of 96,000 (95% CI 52,000 to 183,000). The most stringent public-health measures examined are predicted to reduce mortality by approximately three-fold. Intensive-care load at the peak could be reduced by over two-fold with a shorter period at peak pandemic capacity.

    Its funny how the scaremongers turned out to be, what's not funny is that governments across the world actually listened to their BS.

  12. #2310

    Well informed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ShooBree  [View Original Post]
    You are also extremely full of yourself.
    Well informed vs ill informed?

    Eye of the beholder! Jajajajajaaa.

  13. #2309

    Fake Certs

    https://www.rt.com/sport/542051-vacc...wn-suspension/

    Here is some Yankee ball juggler who got suspended for three games for using a fake Vax card. Now, as I don't want to be suspended for three games, I would not use a fake card. However, for the "gas them all" lobby, please note the dude went to a Halloween party. It is people like him, vaxed or unvaxed, who mingle who are the risk. That said, I am going to bang a local Asian provider this afternoon.

  14. #2308
    Quote Originally Posted by TheCane  [View Original Post]
    Man your logic and reasoning sometimes. Here's the thing. The focus has to be on who is getting it and dying from it. That's by far and above the unvaccinated, and they're contracting it at rate that's still too high and threatens to overwhelm the healthcare system quickly. I don't think we need anymore major shutdowns but vaccination, masking, testing, and distancing combined with sensible travel restrictions to slow global spread is the only way out of this thing. And everyone needs to do their part, including world leaders getting people in the poorer countries vaccinated as well. We're not safe until everybody is safe!
    What a load of BS!

    The vaccine won't stop the vaccinated people from getting infected and infecting others with corona. So no, it doesn't matter to me if someone else is unvaccinated.

    If the vaccine truly worked so great I should be able to travel freely across the world by just showing my passport and vaccination status. But that's not the case isn't it?

  15. #2307
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    So you are saying THE TESTS I take every week that say I do not have the disease and the symptoms that I do not have are wrong? But the test Jj had that said he was positive and the the symptoms that he had indicating it were right? I think I am getting it now. You are asserting a heads I win, tails you lose thing!
    I am saying that between the incubation period and the one week testing interval, combined with asymptomatic transmission, you unvaccinated people are still a danger to those around you. Once a week ain't shit.

    Like if you eat tacos in Tijuana. You could take immodium first. Or you could not take immodium. If you don't take immodium you might shit your pants. And just because you went to Tijuana and did not take immodium, and ate tacos, and did not shit your pants, does not mean you won't shit your pants the next time. And just like you can't get vaccinated for COVID once you have it and are intubated, you can't unshit your pants.

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