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  1. #8294
    Quote Originally Posted by Piefke  [View Original Post]
    LordLucanII, do you always answer 3 times the same to already closed questions?
    Indeed it is a puzzle as this was explained by someone I know very well just above the original post back in January 2020 BC (before Covid-19).

    We live in mysterious times, sperm levels maybe backing up to frontal cortex.

    At Ravina. All plans should be on hold for several months to help reduce our viral enemy. But possibly at that time, you can spend silly amounts of money effortlessly via https://cityoflove.com/EN/germany/berlin/default.aspx and https://ivana-models-escortservice.de/escort-berlin.

    Then you will have to decide as Elvis did, whether "she said she was high class, but that was."

  2. #8293

    Re: Caligula ist closed

    LordLucanII, do you always answer 3 times the same to already closed questions?

    Or do you just want to beef up your number of messages in times of low traffic?

    More interesting would be to know, what is still alive, either as Information or as warning.

  3. #8292
    Quote Originally Posted by Ranima  [View Original Post]
    I will be travelling to Berlin as soon as possible, I. E. When covid-19 stops being such a huge PIA.
    When exactly will the virus stop being a PIA? At the moment all restaurant swimming pools gyms and massage parlors are closed. These types of businesses are closed allover the world. A vaccine could take anywhere from 12 to 18 months according to some sources. And, unless there is a new breakthrough in technology or some new information comes to light there seems to be no way that things will return to normal quickly. Maybe someone will find a medicine that actually works, maybe there will be herd immunity, Or maybe the virus will just wither away like many others have. Maybe someone can build vaccine really quickly. Maybe someone can build low-priced ventilators and provide masks for hospitals. That would provide relief to health services. If the economy begins to crumble maybe countries will be forced to end self isolation. If not self isolation will probably just be lifted For a month and then reimplemented when the situation gets worse. Sorry, but at the moment there is no easy answer.

  4. #8291
    Quote Originally Posted by DietCoke  [View Original Post]
    http://butterfly138.de/index.htm

    I looked at website. Pretty unless info and pics not much better. Anybody go there please report.
    Its more expensive here. The owners of this place I believe also owned Caligula before it closed. Good luck.

  5. #8290
    Quote Originally Posted by Spamboytoo2  [View Original Post]
    This place looks open.

    https://www.caligula-berlin.de/

    Can anyone confirm? Thanks.
    Caligula closed September 2019.

  6. #8289
    Quote Originally Posted by Piefke  [View Original Post]
    What does the Forum-search say about Caligula?

    http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2414075

    Gone the way of the Dodo!
    Caligula closed in September 2019. October was when the signs and interior were taken down. Last 2 years it had declined, before that not a bad place.

  7. #8288
    Quote Originally Posted by SvenFKK  [View Original Post]
    ..............Will some people try to use the corona epidemic as an excuse to outlaw prostitution because they will use any excuse? Maybe. Do they have a chance? No.
    Wish I could share your positivity but am hopeful.

  8. #8287
    Quote Originally Posted by BaltiX  [View Original Post]
    Why do some people think authorities will use the Coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to shut down the sex industry?
    What do you mean?

    Brothels are closed now? Yes, for the same reason as restaurants.

    Will contagious diseases automatically mean that prostitution will become illegal? No, there have always been contagious diseases.

    Will some people try to use the corona epidemic as an excuse to outlaw prostitution because they will use any excuse? Maybe. Do they have a chance? No.

  9. #8286

    Re: High class

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranima  [View Original Post]
    I will be travelling to Berlin as soon as possible,
    The idea is to meet a high class lady for a couple of hours,
    and I am willing to pay well.
    You want to come to Berlin just to meet a high class lady for high costs? Why don't you go to Munich (when this mess is over)? There you can also meet beautiful woman and pay even more. All your expectations will be surpassed!

    Just check berlinintim site, when these times are over, to see what is then left from the scene. If you want to hear specific stories from 'before the war', then please do not ask broad questions.

  10. #8285

    High class

    I will be travelling to Berlin as soon as possible, I. E. When covid-19 stops being such a huge PIA.

    The idea is to meet a high class lady for a couple of hours, or maybe overnight.

    Any suggestions of very good looking ladies is welcome. I want the model material ones, and I am willing to pay well.

  11. #8284

    Solidarity

    Fellow mongers,

    A quick look around the usual Berlin interweb pages suggests (obviously) business is still going on. I urge you to man up and resist the urge. Any girls still doing this are under financial pressure. There are far fewer of them than normal. Same with mongers. Both sides in this duet are clearly risk takers. Add to this what is becoming more and more clear that large segments (data still new and unreliable but easily +15-20%) of the population show no symptoms yet can still transmit Covid-19. All this in effect is concentrating risks to and from any girls still working. Some might even at some point reduce prices if they are under enough pressure.

    Berlin is on lock down (and hence cock down) til at least 20 April. There are lots of discussions to possibly massively expand testing and issue certificates to those who have been found to have antibodies and hence some immunity (for who knows how long-possibly 6-12 months). Thus in the P4P zone, there might be some solutions that would allow gradual relaxing, but it would also likely mean a serious bit of tracking via mobile phones and risks to privacy. This is purely highly dubious speculation at this point. Possibly more will become clear around 20 April, but more likely things will stay in limbo some more weeks. But as P4P intimacy remains a key way to spread things, hard to believe the authorities will take their foot off the brakes any time soon.

    The stress of the whole deal, the loneliness, the increased desire from warmer weather and longer sunlight all will build pressures to hook up. Use your big brain and til this whole mess stabilizes, just don't. Protect yourselves, protect the girls, protect us all. Do a solid and show solidarity. Thanks.

  12. #8283
    Quote Originally Posted by BaltiX  [View Original Post]
    I don't think the elderly would care as long as they not causing problems. If they wanted to they could have pressured the local government to close them years or even decades ago.
    You really do not seem to understand how radically different the situation is now. This has nothing to do with cultural attitudes to P4P where risks are mostly between consenting adults; it is what to do in a pandemic that is still not fully understood, which spreading rapidly, and which poses astronomical health, financial, and social risks to the general population. We are not in Kansas anymore, Todo.

  13. #8282
    You know, after watching the documentaries and doing the research legalizing and regulating the sex industry seems actually way more morally responsible than making everything illegal. The people who oppose legalization due to moral reasons actually base their decisions on dogma so that makes them dogmatic and at the same time These people are more morally irresponsible than Those who support legalization. When it comes to this topic from this specific point of view the obvious moral answer isn't the correct answer.Sometimes right and wrong is way more complicated than it appears to be.

    The virus is affecting many Different types of businesses in a negative manner. Hopefully if the sex industry suffers it will be due to Health and scientific reasons not dogmatic beliefs.

  14. #8281
    Quote Originally Posted by BoneRanger69  [View Original Post]
    For well over 100 years, Berlin has always had a fairly tolerant sexual culture. (If you have not, watch the great German TV series "Babylon Berlin" But like anywhere, there are conservative folks who think sex should be practiced in only certain ways. In the Western World, Berlin is surely at the top of cities when it comes to P4P activities. More conservative interests have been unable to convince the authorities to reign it in, either on grounds of morality or even health. All the HIV and STD worries have barely affected the scene beyond large and fairly effective public campaigns for condoms ber alles and safe sex, though this does vary a bit E. G. Bayern / Bavaria has been less tolerant of BBBJs for years (while of course it goes on there as well). And the recent prostitution law tries to also tighten things up a little.

    But Covid-19 is clearly way more contagious than its viral and bacterial cousins, and it also seems to be at least partly asymptomatic. So serious intimate fluid exchanges between multiple partners (from not just kissing, but simply being close, having the virus on hands etc.) is a pretty good way to spread a pandemic (until herd immunity kicks in or vaccines emerge) and in case you have not noticed, this would be just about as far from social distancing as you could get. This provides a powerful public health argument to intervene as the potential consequences go way beyond affecting 2 consenting adults..
    I don't think the elderly would care as long as they not causing problems. If they wanted to they could have pressured the local government to close them years or even decades ago. Berlin is progressive on sex work even by German standards.

  15. #8280

    The Empire Strikes Back

    Quote Originally Posted by BaltiX  [View Original Post]
    Why do some people think authorities will use the Coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to shut down the sex industry?
    For well over 100 years, Berlin has always had a fairly tolerant sexual culture. (If you have not, watch the great German TV series "Babylon Berlin" But like anywhere, there are conservative folks who think sex should be practiced in only certain ways. In the Western World, Berlin is surely at the top of cities when it comes to P4P activities. More conservative interests have been unable to convince the authorities to reign it in, either on grounds of morality or even health. All the HIV and STD worries have barely affected the scene beyond large and fairly effective public campaigns for condoms über alles and safe sex, though this does vary a bit E. G. Bayern / Bavaria has been less tolerant of BBBJs for years (while of course it goes on there as well). And the recent prostitution law tries to also tighten things up a little.

    But Covid-19 is clearly way more contagious than its viral and bacterial cousins, and it also seems to be at least partly asymptomatic. So serious intimate fluid exchanges between multiple partners (from not just kissing, but simply being close, having the virus on hands etc.) is a pretty good way to spread a pandemic (until herd immunity kicks in or vaccines emerge) and in case you have not noticed, this would be just about as far from social distancing as you could get. This provides a powerful public health argument to intervene as the potential consequences go way beyond affecting 2 consenting adults.

    And more conservative interests will likely jump on this. So who knows, in a panic, people may be more open to restricting P4P. Certainly large FKKs clubs will be attractive targets, as will apartment bordellos especially sited all over the city, often near elderly neighbors. Both exist in small enough numbers that would be sort of easier to monitor unlike the maybe 1000 girls in Berlin doing this on their own. The pressure on politicians to do this will be significant.

    But in true Berlin (and elsewhere) fashion, even now, a short look around escort and indie websites and review sites suggests lots is still business as usual, as you would expect amongst stupid thrill seekers, lonely folks, and girls whose incomes have been clobbered. To my shock, I even saw a swingers party posted for this week (W T F?? - Don't ask me but not so difficult to find). Just in case there is any doubt, it is beyond reckless Russian roulette to be thinking about P4P now.

    It is telling that if you read the Berlin Senate ordinance in German (I think Piefke posted a link some days ago) that currently governs what is closed, of the 4 key sectors mentioned, prostitution and massage is the 4th. It is a significant force in the Berlin economy-a friend and I once made a guess about number of girls, number of men per day, average payments, then hotels, food, airfares (a not so small volume of traffic from Italy, the UK, Scandinavia arrives at Artemis on the weekends, etc.) the whole sector could be 3+ % of the Berlin economy. Though at the moment it seems almost impossible to imagine with the daily grim case and death numbers, in time, this disaster will fade or at least become managable. But that could easily take 12-18 months and we will just have to see how this plays out. We are way off charted waters. It is difficult to imagine things returning to the way they were, anytime soon. Especially with the risks of multiple infection waves over time.

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