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  1. #5193

    Bidding Moscow Another Farrewell

    I'm sitting in the Swiss Air lounge at DMO waiting for my flight to Zurich connecting home to the USA.

    Strav is absolutely correct when he says that you have to "dig a little deeper and work a little harder" if you want something more than expensive P4P. I just completed 8 days in Samara and another 8 in Moscow after literally hundreds of hours of pre-trip contact with my girls. It isn't easy but it can be very rewarding.

    Moscow was a bit of a bust this trip but there were some new openings and some good prospects for the future. Samara was certainly a different experience and opened up some new possibilities.

    As has been emphasized again and again by our esteemed friends here, if you want to enter the parallel universe that is hiding in Russia, learn some Russian, learn some Russian, learn some Russian.

    Full reports to follow with pictures.)))

  2. #5192
    Quote Originally Posted by Skwiskwis  [View Original Post]
    There are more and more of them in the clubs and bars, more and more of them using the websites, and they are, frankly, the preferred option for most of the girls these days. The days of Russian girls spying a European or American guy in a club and concluding he's a fine catch are long gone.
    Hmmm... have to disagree with you on that. Russian men have a certain way of treating their women, and no amount of money will ever change that. The interest of Russian women in Western men has always been about more than just money, or a Green Card. It's also about attitude and the way Western men treat women. And that part of the equation will never change, it will always be in our favor.

    Unless, unless, as has been pointed out, you can linger in these cities, find the out of the way clubs and such, places off the beaten path, or make an excursion into the provinces, where life is very very different for Russians. The gap between urban Russian and rural Russian is huge, which is why posters here constantly refer to trying to find a girl 'just off the bus' from the provinces.
    Amen to that, brother, cannot be said enough. The Golden Age of mongering in Moscow is over, it's no longer a matter of shooting fish in a barrel. We have to dig a little deeper and work a little harder, but the rewards are there for those who are willing to make the effort.

  3. #5191
    [QUOTE=Jake993; 1491295]Strav,

    "Last night I was at a Halloween party in a local club when I was approached by not one but TWO rather fetching girls offering to come home with me for a threesome."

    Freebie threesome? All inclusive price? Or pay per sex act? And what exactly does the qualifier "rather" mean? Sort of fetching? Almost fetching? Not quite fetching? Or idiosyncratic jargon for very fetching? The devil is in the details.

    I'd say the money issue is the biggest change happening in Russia, especially in the major cities. StPb, Moscow, Novosibirsk, etc. Or, rather, its already happened. Cities that attract both a lot of Russian and Russian Federation (who don't need visas) and W European and American sex tourists / businessmen. The fact is there are a lot of Russian and Russian Federation men, especially in Moscow and StPb now, with a lot of disposable income and, obviously, command of the language. There are more and more of them in the clubs and bars, more and more of them using the websites, and they are, frankly, the preferred option for most of the girls these days. And, really, they have more money to throw around then most of us, and, as diplomatically as possible, they are also often younger than us. They meet the girls at expensive restaurants, treat them to expensive meals, take them back to 5 Star hotels, and have a plate stacked full of white powder in their hotel room (with the line upon entering the room "Want something from room service? Order anything you want."). The days of Russian girls spying a European or American guy in a club and concluding he's a fine catch are long gone.

    Unless, unless, as has been pointed out, you can linger in these cities, find the out of the way clubs and such, places off the beaten path, or make an excursion into the provinces, where life is very very different for Russians. The gap between urban Russian and rural Russian is huge, which is why posters here constantly refer to trying to find a girl 'just off the bus' from the provinces.

  4. #5190
    Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsky  [View Original Post]
    Jake,

    So that's interesting about the Russian speaking dyeffki in NF. If that's the case and this is a trend, then NF will no longer be the no-brainer that it has always been. Are they still catering to foreign businessmen? Has the mission statement changed? Any ideas about why more of the women there are speaking Russian?
    Strav,

    I think it all boils down to supply and demand. There is a much demand for pussy as there ever has been in Moscow. However, I think the supply of super hot English speaking young Russian girls willing too strip and hook is dwindling. NF makes money on booze and cover charge. If they have to "change" their standards to keep people coming in the door then that's what they will do. Having said that, I found the "fluent" English speakers to be a little too crass for my liking. There was an element of charm and the "illusion of innocence" that was missing. When people ask me if I speak Russian, I tell them I know enough to get into jail but not enough to get out! That means I can have a rudimentary conversation with a girl fresh-off-the-bus so I consider myself fortunate in that regard.

    Incidentally, since breaking up with one of my regulars, I have been casting an eye towards picking up one nighters or even availing myself of a WG from time to time. Last night I was at a Halloween party in a local club when I was approached by not one but TWO rather fetching girls offering to come home with me for a threesome. So it's not just well established hooker bars like NF and Hot Dogs where you can get propositioned. It happens in well respectable bars and clubs as well. Just an FYI.

  5. #5189
    Quote Originally Posted by Jake993  [View Original Post]
    I was shocked at how many girls were there who did not speak more than a few words of English. The hardened pros were STILL there up to their old trick speaking near-flawless English, but the significant presence of girls who appeared to be fresh-off-the-bus led me to believe that there may be a few diamonds in the rough these days.
    Jake,

    You're right, it's been a long time since I have crossed the threshold of NF, for all of the aforementioned reasons.

    Sex should not be an adversarial relationship. Unless, of course, you're getting a divorce. I'm more like Iceberg-sit in a strip club, play the lazy boy and grab ass as it walks by. That's my idea of fun.

    I suppose there is a sort of excitement in the challenge of venturing into NF and either, a) finding the one gem who, basically, doesn't know enough yet to know any better and taking her back to your apartment until morning for $300 (or Euros) or, b) beating the "sooki" at their own game. But is it really worth the effort? There's so many other productive endeavors you could be spending your time on in Moscow. At least, if you speak Russian.

    So that's interesting about the Russian speaking dyeffki in NF. If that's the case and this is a trend, then NF will no longer be the no-brainer that it has always been. Are they still catering to foreign businessmen? Has the mission statement changed? Any ideas about why more of the women there are speaking Russian?

  6. #5188
    Quote Originally Posted by Stravinsky  [View Original Post]
    Negotiating with the NF fairies is a bit of Faustian proposition, so you had best gird your loins and be prepared for battle.
    Strav, stop it! You're killing me! Ha, ha, ha, ha.

    But seriously you are spot on.

    However, I do realize that it has been quite some time since you visited NF, correct? You should be aware that the "complexion" of the place has changed a little. Back in the day, EVERY dyev spoke near fluent English. Today, not so much. I was there a few months ago with a Moscow first timer business colleague and I was shocked at how many girls were there who did not speak more than a few words of English. The hardened pros were STILL there up to their old trick speaking near-flawless English, but the significant presence of girls who appeared to be fresh-off-the-bus led me to believe that there may be a few diamonds in the rough these days.

    Having said all that, however, even if this new data of mine is true it does not really help our new fellow monger. He's best to follow your sage advice and "gird his loins"!

  7. #5187

    Negotiating at Night Flight

    Quote Originally Posted by Jake993  [View Original Post]
    *But BE WARNED! A lot of these girls are crafty and will want to slip out the door after a few pops from you. Be explicit about how long you want them to stay and be prepared to pay for their time. Get it out on the table up front and you will probably avoid being pissed off later.
    Werspe,

    Normally, I always recommend to stay away from Night Flight. If you want to go there to window shop then by all means, knock yourself out, but buy your sex somewhere else.

    In this case, Jake is right. If you only have 2 nights in Moscow and you only speak English, then Night Flight is pretty much your (gulp) best choice. Negotiating with the NF fairies is a bit of Faustian proposition, so you had best gird your loins and be prepared for battle.

    Three things to remember...

    1) Be specific. One of the ploys of the Night Flight dyevchyonki is to promise you everything and deliver nothing. Be very specific about the services you expect from the girl you are negotiating with. Every detail should be spelled out clearly and make sure she understands and agrees. If you want your BJ without a condom, make sure that's clear. If you want more than one pop, or multiple positions, or a certain amount of time, make sure all of these demands are fully stated, understood and agreed to by the girl, before you leave the club.

    2) Price. Another ploy of the dyevchyonki at NF is to play the currency shell game. Most Russians are natural FX traders. There are 3 curriencies in common use in Russia; the Ruble, Dollar and Euro. Russians know the exchange rate for each, and every day they make dozens of calculations about each currency in the course of their daily lives. You won't beat them at this game. So, before you go, decide how much money you are willing to spend and what the amount is in each currency. Before you leave the club, make sure that not only the price is fixed, but also the currency used for payment. Don't wait until the time comes to pay up, and the girl tells you,"Oh no... I did not say 300 Dollars, I said 300 Euros."

    3) With the odd exception, the dyeffki at NF are hardened pros. They are there to extract the maximum amount of money from you for the least amount of effort. You are there to extract the maximum amount of sex for the least amount of money. Come to think of it, it's a little like being married. So, the only advantage you have is to keep your money in your pocket. Make it clear to the girl that you will not pay until after you are finished. If the girl agrees to stay overnight, then say,"Fine, I will pay you in the morning, when you leave." That should eliminate about 90% of the gold diggers and help you to find the one jem who just got off the bus, or the student who is just looking to make a little spending money.

    BTW-- If it's possible, try to get everything you have agreed to in writing, preferably in blood. This is your best guarantee of success.

    You think I'm joking, right? That's OK, keep laughing...

  8. #5186
    Quote Originally Posted by Samsungskruf  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    Is the profiles on rusprostitute. Com / legit or is it mostly scams?
    Seems Legit. I say so for two reasons. First, because several of these girls are on other sites that I KNOW are legit and second, because I have actually been with one of them on this site.

    So there you go.

    Have fun.

  9. #5185
    Quote Originally Posted by Werspe  [View Original Post]
    Hi Guys,

    I am coming to Moscow for 2 days. What is the best recommendation to meet a girl for the entire day / night? Websites are good, but would prefer actual experience if possible.

    I only speak English.

    Thanks!

    Jay
    Jay,

    If you only have two days, then you need to make them count. If you don't want to invest the time cultivating a web relationship with a girl (like our hero YummyPL) , then you choices are limited. I would suggest you get your ass to Night Flight at about 23:00 on the day you arrive, skip the restaurant and go straight to the bar and start negotiating. A lot of these girls are still students meaning they speak English and have flexible schedules that will allow them to stay with you. *But BE WARNED! A lot of these girls are crafty and will want to slip out the door after a few pops from you. Be explicit about how long you want them to stay and be prepared to pay for their time. Get it out on the table up front and you will probably avoid being pissed off later.

    Good luck!

    Jake

  10. #5184

    Trip to Moscow

    Hi,

    Is the profiles on rusprostitute. Com / legit or is it mostly scams?

  11. #5183
    Hi Guys,

    I am coming to Moscow for 2 days. What is the best recommendation to meet a girl for the entire day / night? Websites are good, but would prefer actual experience if possible.

    I only speak English.

    Thanks!

    Jay

  12. #5182
    Quote Originally Posted by Sour3113  [View Original Post]
    Fun experience all in all as never been to a brothel
    IMHO it is often like this, simply a waste of money and not enjoyable. The girls can tell if you are a noob and can be taken advantage of. It's best to play powerful once they are ready in the room, like don't ask anything. Simply take them and get going. I lost my virginity in a brothel at 15, I'm still not sure how I managed to pull that off, maybe because I went through pubity quite young but most likely because I had the cash in hand but it was actually a good experience. I only visit very occasionally now a days, in my early 20's I went back to my original brothel and by chance took the same lady who I saw when 15, though I didn't bring this up. But now generally only visit thai massage places because I'm just looking to relax and be massaged. On the occasions that I go, it is usually with high hopes and leave disappointed. For me it is simply a bad habit like drinking too much and feeling hung over the next day with regrets. This is the major reason I was simply dating Russian devs when I was there recently but also because I gain the most pleasure from fucking knowing that the other person is really enjoying it and I simply find it difficult if money has changed hands.

    Though given limited time and that every man should fuck a Russian beauty at least once in his life, brothels are a good option.

  13. #5181
    Quote Originally Posted by Sour3113  [View Original Post]
    Wow not speaking Russian really blocks you.
    Yeah, it's true. Even though there are so many more girls speaking English in Moscow these days, you can still find yourself in a situation where you just can't be understood. And in these cases, Russians are Russians and if they think they can pull a "fast one" on you, they will. But dud, I have to give you a lot of credit for trying. Clearly you are of an adventurous nature. While it's much more expensive to do so, going for on-site sex in the strip clubs is a much more straightforward process. But you blazed a trail for yourself. Well done.

    BTW. As you know, this Thursday is Halloween. The Moscovites are REALLY warming up to this holiday and it is becoming a very popular party day. If you are still in Moscow on Thursday night, I would highly recommend that you visit one of the more popular clubs / bars to take advantage of some non-pro girls. Old School Pub

    www.ospub.ru

    will be loaded with horny drunk girls as will the newly opened location of Papas

    www.papas.ru

    Thursday is also Ladies Night so there are sure to be lots and lots of girls. NOTE: Papas moved from it's old location on Myasnitskaya to the new location at Nikolskaya #10 (formerly the location of Club Pacha.

  14. #5180
    Ok so here it goes.

    Just came back from Charmel.

    The place was ok, nice facilities, bed, bathroom offered before and after.

    There were about 7-8 girls, all around 5's; one 7 (8 body for me. 6 face wise = 7) petite blonde

    Wow not speaking Russian really blocks tyou. Trying to talk with her was impossible, no touching private areas, just breast, no bbj only covered, couldn't go to deep (I'm very average.)

    The actual sex was good IMHO, loved her body and her noises. When I was about to finish I ask her (tried to ask) where I could cum. After a view "stoh" she gets up, says time up, and dresses. WTF? I'm not even done! She says she has to go talk to the manager whatever. Comes back 5 min later, finaylly manage to cob. ; 40 min passed (15 just trying to comunicate) but she says 5min left. At that point even if I could have more time didn't want it.

    Fun experience all in all as never been to a brothel and being Monday probably not the best time. Also think I saw about 3 other guys go before me so probably the good ones were gone.

    Not sure what to think but really too expensive for what you get (again if you don't know Russian.)

    Enjoy

  15. #5179
    Quote Originally Posted by Reef LostCause  [View Original Post]
    Hi all.

    Another newbie's first post here, which will somehow echo ther previous one about massage parlours.

    First of all, thanks for this website who is both informative and entertaining.

    By reading this Moscow section, I'm getting a bit curious.

    I was thinking about maybe planning a trip to BKK at some point in 2014, but I'm starting to wonder if MOW could be a valuable alternative.

    I've already been to Russia a couple of times: First of all, for me it's lot closer to home, and find it hard to believe that anybody on earth could be sexier than Russian chicks.

    Is it mandatory to speak some Russian? (currently limited to "PRIVET"

    Like the other guy, mostly rookie questions but thanks in advance for any help.
    Since I am very much into comparisons I want to make a few comments.

    For massage things Moscow and Banghok are not even comparable. Moscow isn't place for massages. Yes there are MP's but they are for another purpose.

    You will never find the quality of service in Moscow than you can find in Banghok.

    First thing that you must decide is do you prefer Brunette-Short-Childish look girls or Blonde-Tall-Stylish look women?

    Check both forum's photo galleries.

    It's possible to find some very good strip clubs in Banghok in Soi-Cowboy.

    If we give up mentality I would suggest you go to Banghok because you will find much more touristic area.No racism- cheap prices.

    It's worht to take long flying hours and the cost will be close because Moscow is incredibly expensive. You can find very good hotels in Pattaya with 100 USD / day.

    Banghok will give you everything; Freebie-Stripclub-p4p-Large selection of Nonmongering Activities.

    Regards.

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