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[Belbo]

On the 24th of June the former Club Rouge will open again with the name of Club Medusa under the Aphrodisa chain, and, for what I have understood, as a luxury club, even more luxury than Aphrodisia!!

Not clear, but entrance seems free and wellness area are now only in the President room; does somebody have more precise information?

https://www.medusa.ch/

Time will tell if this is the right move, I'll miss the former small and very elegant Sauna Club.

[Sirioja]

This is the psychology of pimping. Same as why some people stay in cults, or why an abused woman stays with her abuser. I'm no expert, but low self esteem, mind games by the pimp, fear of a lack of support from authorities, etc.

I experienced in real life, far from prostitution or Romania, 2 really lovely and pretty women thinking they didn't worth much when hearing daily not pretty, not able to take care of husband, who would want such ice woman? Me, when they made me dream, even it was complicated, when husbands only had this, but not even able to give pleasure and happiness, except child, to wife. Psychologic violence can be harder than on body.

[KaveMan]

This is why LUs have declined from 2016.

Wait until subscribers find they are texting Men.

Same as lawsuit against French 1990's Mini-Tel addicts who thought they were texting Women v. Old men.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/12/p...-onlyfans.html

[Fijiman]

The first case is in my opinion very rare; what can the man do, in case the girl refuses to do it or to share the money? Even in Romania, I guess that the girl has several way to protect herself. I mean, a Pimp adds some value in case the girl works in a country where this job is forbidden; but if it is all legal, why should a girl gave in to his blackmails?
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This is the psychology of pimping. Same as why some people stay in cults, or why an abused woman stays with her abuser. I'm no expert, but low self esteem, mind games by the pimp, fear of a lack of support from authorities, etc.

[Sirioja]

When we talk about pimp, we have probably to define it; it is a a guy who force the girl to do this job against their will or somebody who manipulates the girl and gets them to do this job?

The first case is in my opinion very rare; what can the man do, in case the girl refuses to do it or to share the money? Even in Romania, I guess that the girl has several way to protect herself. I mean, a Pimp adds some value in case the girl works in a country where this job is forbidden; but if it is all legal, why should a girl gave in to his blackmails?

The second is probably more frequent than people think, especially if we include all the girls who are married or in a stable relations; personally I have seen once 2 globe girls, who were supposed that day to work in a sister club, leave the club in a flashy car driven by a guy with a disreputable look. Besides, in Aphro I have seen two separate girls arriving at the club in the usual flashy car with a Romanian plate, accompanied by a young man at the wheel.

In case I had evidence that some girls are forced to do this job, I am not sure I'll look at my "hobby" with the same eyes.

In France, You are a pimp if You benefit from prostitute money. When going to clubs, I often see cars RO or BG, the girl kiss her taxi driver, have a good day darling to be fucked by all. Some girls are pimping other girls, they asked 50/ day in Germany. Some were pimped for sure at Globe. Easy for polizei if they really wanted to know, rather than controlling me with my skis, they control RO and BG cars and investigate what is girl job and what is guy job and then they know. Many pimps are in Romania or Bulgaria. When I know a girl is pimped, she is not interesting for me, but I have great pleasure to make them cum, and surprisingly, few say thank You.

[PaulInZurich]

When we talk about pimp, we have probably to define it; it is a a guy who force the girl to do this job against their will or somebody who manipulates the girl and gets them to do this job?

Both are pimps. If a guy lives from the money a girl makes as a prostitute, he is a pimp. I would guess that second case is more common for girls working in reputable clubs.

[Belbo]

Some allegations have surfaced of a girl at Bumsalp / Amesia who was the girlfriend to a Fish (Romanian slang for pimp), and who was the onsite eyes & ears to keep the pimped girls obedient. The story I heard relates to just 2 pimped girls. Things came to light and blew / up after the first Covid lockdown, one of the girls tried to press charges via the Swiss police, but there was insufficient proof. The alleged girlfriend to the Fish is still working at Amesia, but has recently changed her working name.

I've heard of many stories of boyfriends / fish back home, but never of any actual "muscle" in a Swiss club (or in this case, eyes & ears). Again, this was not Amesia management themselves.

Separate story. 4 years ago I knew a girl formerly at Bumsalp who wanted to work at Globe. I said, hey, why don't I go with you and give you a vote of approval (as I was a well known regular). The manager on duty freaked out when she saw me come in with the girl, was not pleased, and gave me a stern lecture about the importance of avoiding any hint of an appearance of pimping impropriety. She said sometimes there is police surveillance watching the clubs for exactly this purpose. you are there men who walk the girls into the club and / or are waiting outside..

When we talk about pimp, we have probably to define it; it is a a guy who force the girl to do this job against their will or somebody who manipulates the girl and gets them to do this job?

The first case is in my opinion very rare; what can the man do, in case the girl refuses to do it or to share the money? Even in Romania, I guess that the girl has several way to protect herself. I mean, a Pimp adds some value in case the girl works in a country where this job is forbidden; but if it is all legal, why should a girl gave in to his blackmails?

The second is probably more frequent than people think, especially if we include all the girls who are married or in a stable relations; personally I have seen once 2 globe girls, who were supposed that day to work in a sister club, leave the club in a flashy car driven by a guy with a disreputable look. Besides, in Aphro I have seen two separate girls arriving at the club in the usual flashy car with a Romanian plate, accompanied by a young man at the wheel.

In case I had evidence that some girls are forced to do this job, I am not sure I'll look at my "hobby" with the same eyes.

[Hotzo]

If you were to plan a 1-2 week sex vacation trip which would you choose. Frankfurt or zurich? Money doesn't matter in the decision.

If money doesn't matter. I'd go for the Zurich clubs. Frankfurt is more a cheap sex destination, the selection is great (in the Laufhaus in Bahnhofsviertel area) but most of them go for the quick version.

The club bosses in Switzerland ask the girls for more service orientation. Not for a quick money win like in Germany and the Clubs around Frankfurt have become worse after Covid closure.

Just my opinion and my experience.

Enjoy, Hotzo.

[Karlgnter2]

If you were to plan a 1-2 week sex vacation trip which would you choose. Frankfurt or zurich? Money doesn't matter in the decision.

Frankfurt! It has more number of escorts and the FKK Clubs and many nude clubs add an escort flavor towards sexual exploring.

[PaulInZurich]

I've heard of many stories of boyfriends / fish back home, but never of any actual "muscle" in a Swiss club (or in this case, eyes & ears).

This is not that unheard of. Sometimes the pimp is at home and gives the girl a quota for the tour, sometimes the pimp stays in a hotel with the girl and gives the girl a daily quota and sometimes it's like like this, a girl supervises a bunch of other girls in a club for a pimp / group of pimps to ensure that the girls can't lie that there weren't clients in the club. The girls almost never open up about this. Why would they, if you don't "save" them, would you go again with a girl that you know for sure is pimped?

The manager on duty freaked out

You could have been easily banned, clubs go to great lengths to pretend that they don't know that the girls work for pimps. A guy bringing a girl to work in a club is seen automatically as a pimp. Working with pimps can get a club shut down.

I consider myself an ethical hobbyist who goes to great lengths to avoid enriching the Fish.

What exactly do you do?

The Amesia situation was a real shock to me, as I was a regular with one of the pimped girls and never would have guessed.

Been there. A while ago, even after 7 years in FKKs, knowing about pimps and all that, I was surprised that a girl I knew for 5 years is pimped. 3 other guys told me the same thing, they were sure that girl was independent.

[Sirioja]

Some allegations have surfaced of a girl at Bumsalp / Amesia who was the girlfriend to a Fish (Romanian slang for pimp), and who was the onsite eyes & ears to keep the pimped girls obedient. The story I heard relates to just 2 pimped girls. Things came to light and blew / up after the first Covid lockdown, one of the girls tried to press charges via the Swiss police, but there was insufficient proof. The alleged girlfriend to the Fish is still working at Amesia, but has recently changed her working name.

I've heard of many stories of boyfriends / fish back home, but never of any actual "muscle" in a Swiss club (or in this case, eyes & ears). Again, this was not Amesia management themselves.

Separate story. 4 years ago I knew a girl formerly at Bumsalp who wanted to work at Globe. I said, hey, why don't I go with you and give you a vote of approval (as I was a well known regular). The manager on duty freaked out when she saw me come in with the girl, was not pleased, and gave me a stern lecture about the importance of avoiding any hint of an appearance of pimping impropriety. She said sometimes there is police surveillance watching the clubs for exactly this purpose. you are there men who walk the girls into the club and / or are waiting outside..

I know a girl who is at Globe since 2016 and for sure what I call pimped by tattooed muscled. When I visited Amesia before and after covid, I never had to deal with any tattooed muscled when I could not even call Polizei because I have more to worry about Polizei than peste pimps.

[Fake It]

If you were to plan a 1-2 week sex vacation trip which would you choose. Frankfurt or zurich? Money doesn't matter in the decision.

Absolutely do both. Its 3-4 hour direct train ride between them. Book your travel for an 8 or 9 am departure so you don't miss any prime time club hours while in transit. Problem solved.

[Sirioja]

If you were to plan a 1-2 week sex vacation trip which would you choose. Frankfurt or zurich? Money doesn't matter in the decision.

Not very high level for both for me, even I have a very good reason, even too expensive, to return for women images at Amesia, when she will be back.

[Jsxv7]

If you were to plan a 1-2 week sex vacation trip which would you choose. Frankfurt or zurich? Money doesn't matter in the decision.

[Fijiman]

Some allegations have surfaced of a girl at Bumsalp / Amesia who was the girlfriend to a Fish (Romanian slang for pimp), and who was the onsite eyes & ears to keep the pimped girls obedient. The story I heard relates to just 2 pimped girls. Things came to light and blew / up after the first Covid lockdown, one of the girls tried to press charges via the Swiss police, but there was insufficient proof. The alleged girlfriend to the Fish is still working at Amesia, but has recently changed her working name.

I've heard of many stories of boyfriends / fish back home, but never of any actual "muscle" in a Swiss club (or in this case, eyes & ears). Again, this was not Amesia management themselves.

Separate story. 4 years ago I knew a girl formerly at Bumsalp who wanted to work at Globe. I said, hey, why don't I go with you and give you a vote of approval (as I was a well known regular). The manager on duty freaked out when she saw me come in with the girl, was not pleased, and gave me a stern lecture about the importance of avoiding any hint of an appearance of pimping impropriety. She said sometimes there is police surveillance watching the clubs for exactly this purpose. you are there men who walk the girls into the club and / or are waiting outside.

I consider myself an ethical hobbyist who goes to great lengths to avoid enriching the Fish. The Amesia situation was a real shock to me, as I was a regular with one of the pimped girls and never would have guessed.

Regards.

FJ.