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  1. #2008

    My advice to monger part 2 - camgirls

    Don't be the cuck, be the bull.

    Numerous Ukrainian women want to turn you into a sugar daddy. They want your money and you will get nothing in return. This situation is quite prevalent online. For instance, on camgirl website, Ukrainian women look for a sugar daddy. I discovered something quite funny. Many Ukrainian camgirls are also escort girls. I think most of them are. For sure, it is difficult to quantify. Usually, you can see it online when a camgirl receives messages on her smartphone in the middle of the night. Normally noone would text you at 1 am in the morning. She receives messages from her customers.

    So, she will pretend to be a "normal" woman when she talks to a customer online. They usually pretend to be students or office workers. Then, you can see that these camgirls are online the whole night. They can't go to work in the morning if they were up all night. It is not possible. So, the online customer is the cuck because she will act as if she was difficult to get and that you have to court her prior to dating her. She will pretend that you must invite her to the restaurant. Meanwhile, other guys are texting her to ask her when she will be available (the bulls). The same girl will give her pussy without complaints and long discussion to the first customer who is texting her.

    So, if you visit camgirl websites, these women pretend to be difficult to get but in reality they say yes to everyone who ask for sex.

  2. #2007

    My advice to mongers part 1

    I think that there are more and more scams in Kiev. Let me explain, a woman may make ask you to pay more than twice what a local would pay for sex. For example, if a woman asks a local to $80 for one hour, she will ask an American man to pay $200 for the same service. If you want to know how much an escort should cost go to.

    http://kiev.ukrgo.com/view_subsectio...subsection=146 and visit this link from chrome to translate it. We all know that many pictures fake but the prices aren't fake, that's ukrgo is a reliable source of information.

    Know the price before meeting someone.

    The average salary is still 500 dollars in Kiev today. If a CEO of a company earns three times this salary, it is still really low compared to our standards in the west. Don't let you be influenced by these young women who pretend that you have to pay a lot of money for sex. They are manipulative. Local men don't pay a lot of money to have sex with Ukrainian women.

    Additionally, I found that there are greedier women in the Ukrainian female population now than before. For them, these women never talked about the COVID19. They pretend this had no effects on their business. They lie. (There are many liars in Ukraine) because many escort girls in Ukraine used to find their customers in Nightclubs back in 2019, then the nightclubs closed. From what I know, because of the covid19 pandemic they had less customers than before.

    Some girls used to travel to west Europe but many flights were cancelled during some times. There were less work everywhere in West Europe anywhere. Anyways, as I said, there were less customers in general.

    That's why I want to warn you. Many women claim that they work as usual. They even asked more money than in 2019. So my explanation is the following: Since these women don't work, they desperately need money. So, they are ready to lie, to manipulate even more to get there.

    I never heard so much lies in Ukraine from escort girls. I have never heard so many women saying that they are students that they have a job. In reality, these women are escorts because the economy of Ukraine is maybe the worst in Ukraine but they will never tell you. Look at the figures on the worldbank website. You will see that Ukraine is poorer than Bulgaria, Romania, Russia. Local Ukrainian women need you but you don't need them. Don't forget that you are the prize, not the other way around.

    Some guys thought that women in villages around Kiev were more modest. It is not true anymore. Since these women have access to the internet, they think they are worth more than in reality. Don't believe the many lies of Ukrainian escort girls.

    Let me give you an example, once an escort girl told me she could find 2 sugar daddies in Kiev who would pay $500 to her on a monthly basis. I asked two other escort girls about this. They told me it was complete BS. There aren't sugar daddy in Kiev in the middle of the Covid19 pandemic. The covid19 discourages men to fool around as much as before. I know that the greedy escort lied to me because she said she used to meet her customers in nightclubs and nightclubs were closed at that time because of COVID19.

  3. #2006
    Quote Originally Posted by IvanBuyan  [View Original Post]
    Hey man,

    No, there's no red light district in Ukraine. Officially prostitution is illegal but you still may find and get all you need using strip clubs and online sites, Telegram messenger.
    Quote Originally Posted by TinyHippo  [View Original Post]
    No, its nothing like Western Europe. I miss being in Antwerp where you can pick out skinny Romanian girls. Everything is more hidden in Ukraine and takes a lot more effort unless you speak Russian. Lviv is a beautiful city, but it is a very hard city for mongering. I would only go there if want to be a tourist or have deep pockets.
    Thanks guys, a bit disappointed but hope I enjoy it.

  4. #2005

    Red Light District in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by ElNice  [View Original Post]
    Hello there, is there any red light districts in Ukraine, I'm planning to go to Kiev, Odessa, Lviv in about a month and wondering if there is something like that in the country.
    Hey man,

    No, there's no red light district in Ukraine. Officially prostitution is illegal but you still may find and get all you need using strip clubs and online sites, Telegram messenger.

  5. #2004
    Quote Originally Posted by ElNice  [View Original Post]
    Hello there, is there any red light districts in Ukraine, I'm planning to go to Kiev, Odessa, Lviv in about a month and wondering if there is something like that in the country.
    No, its nothing like Western Europe. I miss being in Antwerp where you can pick out skinny Romanian girls. Everything is more hidden in Ukraine and takes a lot more effort unless you speak Russian. Lviv is a beautiful city, but it is a very hard city for mongering. I would only go there if want to be a tourist or have deep pockets.

  6. #2003

    Red Light District

    Hello there, is there any red light districts in Ukraine, I'm planning to go to Kiev, Odessa, Lviv in about a month and wondering if there is something like that in the country.

  7. #2002
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    EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was deleted because it contributed nothing of value and in fact constituted a complete waste of bandwidth.

    The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.

  8. #2001
    Russia always uses the same playbook, blame the other country, it's their fault, we have the right to have military exercises in our country, etc, etc, etc. A lot of rhetoric. The world is watching and I don't think they will allow Russia to 'invade' Ukraine for any reason. Clearly Russia is the aggressor here. The US and Canada have soldiers in Western Ukraine just outside Lviv trying to train their troop. The US has sold them some equipment. If there is any issues, Russia should go resolve them with the UN, not by military action.

    But if you feel unsafe, go to Tijuana where it is probably more dangerous and see Elizabeth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hargow20  [View Original Post]
    I believe there is a very strong chance that Russia will invade Ukraine. Russian officials are now citing reasons why a invasion would be justified. So it is a good idea to avoid Ukraine & Kiev until things settle down.

  9. #2000

    Not a good time to be in Ukraine. !!

    I believe there is a very strong chance that Russia will invade Ukraine. Russian officials are now citing reasons why a invasion would be justified. So it is a good idea to avoid Ukraine & Kiev until things settle down.

  10. #1999
    The navet sage continues. Update.

    I thought the brutal ignorance of this two gentlemen was enough exposed in tv screens around the world, to portrait the Western man as a easy 'target' for the blatant aferism. But no, the producers of this specific tv show decided to go beyond, in a almost sadistic approach (yes, from the beginning they could warn these guys that all of this shit is a cheap scam or intervene somehow. On the other hand I understand that their ignorance is stuborn), I think the public humiliation is generating quotes / cash for the channel, so why to stop the season. Because I think these guys are already running for the second season, something that even some 'funny' couples don't manage to achieve.

    And these guys are not couples, they are single lonely guys, there is nothing there about fiance or bride. While other couples are talking about the name for their soon to be born babies in this very TV show. These two burn out geniuses are talking about 'how can I send her more cash'.

    As you know from my last post, David went to the town of Lana (the true love of his life, a girl she never ever met or talked to), just to find out that she does not live in the place that he thought she would live. At least the aferistas didn't kill him.

    So back to Kiev and back to Las Vegas. But the saga does not end here. Back home, he hired a Ukrainian interpreter to mediate his phone talk with a PI. The local PI in Ukraine will try to discover where does this Lana lives. The interpreter looked at him with that pity 'comeonmangiveupthissearchandstopmakeaclownofyourself'-Look and said "I am sorry my friend" as she is sorry that he felt for a scam from her country. Instead of listening to her, he continues the search, which now is almost in the field of stalking.

    The other gentleman, who is black, is not better than David (but spent less money because he had less money). After she humiliated him in a video message saying that she likes 'blond guys' (which she proved by example by fucking another guy from the show, the blond Jesse from Holland, who by the way IMO never ever invested a Eurocent in her, but who knows what happens behind the cameras. BTW this Jesse is one of the few based guys on this show, he is using the show to promote himself and his business, and this is the way how it should be). Back to black: So he continued his pursuit and saved his last pennies to pay a flight. Yes, a flight to Kiev. After arriving there he texted her 'I am here'. She replied 'wtf are you doing here? But agreed to meet him in his hotel lobby just to say him face to face that she is not interested in him. She is also not that bright to meet him because desperate souls can snap. And he is a tall guy, while she is petite. Thirsty simps can be violent, throughout my life I saw some 'incels' who really wanted to 'pay back' all the rejections they had. They can be dangerous. I am glad that he kept calm and accept one last emotional punch in the face. So he fled back to the US with empty hands and no bang, hell not even touching her.

    On the very beginning I was amused by watching this show, then it was even funny to see how some men can be so stupid (less competitors for us smart or even 'average intelligent' mongers), but after a while it was not that funny anymore and I started to feel a bit of pity for their suffering. But after the last episodes and seeing them arrogantly rejecting any kind of constructive advice, I just have contempt for both of them. To each his own. So, do I care for their faith? No. Are they bad for Western mongerism in Ukraine? Yes.

    Would I hit that pussy, well yes, but if she is overflowed with 'cash for nothing' why would she bother to bang with us?

    But like on poster wrote here on this page, this happens everyday in Ukraine.

  11. #1998

    FinDom

    I agree with Drama. I was just being sarcastic when I wrote "I'm shocked". In fact I know some similar but less pricey cases from my circle of coworkers / friends. I just don't understand what goes on in the head of such guys. How can they fall again and again to such catfishes. To be fair with Ukraine, Russia has also its share of tricksters, and with this pandemic economic outlook, I think they will grow in numbers if people start to lose their jobs. Remember: This is not Sweden or Germany where you can get fat easy help from state when you are jobless.

    But some guys, IMO, have a fetish for spending cash on girls for nothing, nichevo. Not expecting sex or relationship. Maybe some of them are the so called financial subs (from fetish 'financial servitude') I know a guy who once a week pays to sit with a girl in a padushka (a hour motel chain in Moscow, specializing in renting rooms for fuck) just to talk and observe her doing her stuff, texting with other people / smoking. No touching, no kissing.

    Some Instagram girls also have got their 'sugar passive income' for doing nothing, just for existing and, well, OK posting some photos from time to time. The millennial understood very fast how to the billion dollar 'donation business' work, inside out. A pity for fonds of the real deal like myself. But I guess they will keep digging, and milking their platonic victims until they hit the wall and none will finance their new I-phones and new Louboutins anymore.

  12. #1997
    Quote Originally Posted by SanGaetano  [View Original Post]
    To my post from yesterday I want to make two corrections and one update:

    So, I wrote "coon team", ha ha. Sorry for my bad English, I wanted to say "con team". I hope I did not offend anybody.

    Also, in the heat of the moment I wrote the guy's name wrongly. He is not Larry, he is "David". I confused him with another victim of romance from another video. Whatever.

    The rest of the post is fine.

    OK, now the small update. As it turned out, the Ukrainian girl named "Lana" does not exist. What a surprise, I am shocked!

    It was not even a fake person using her photos and personifying her, no, it was bot. The chat bot sent him automated replies (which in his naive mind were legit and typed by a human). Pure AI, including the fake "thinking pauses" and "person is typing signs". And he not only paid for the chatting, but he also paid for the translations of the chat. Throughout the years he spent more than 100 k on this 'hot' bot.
    This happens all the tine in Ukraine, not a surprise at all.

  13. #1996

    Update

    To my post from yesterday I want to make two corrections and one update:

    So, I wrote "coon team", ha ha. Sorry for my bad English, I wanted to say "con team". I hope I did not offend anybody.

    Also, in the heat of the moment I wrote the guy's name wrongly. He is not Larry, he is "David". I confused him with another victim of romance from another video. Whatever.

    The rest of the post is fine.

    OK, now the small update. As it turned out, the Ukrainian girl named "Lana" does not exist. What a surprise, I am shocked!

    It was not even a fake person using her photos and personifying her, no, it was bot. The chat bot sent him automated replies (which in his naive mind were legit and typed by a human). Pure AI, including the fake "thinking pauses" and "person is typing signs". And he not only paid for the chatting, but he also paid for the translations of the chat. Throughout the years he spent more than 100 k on this 'hot' bot.

    Quote Originally Posted by SanGaetano  [View Original Post]
    To my review about this docusoap I have a small update: remember that black guy who was psychologically manipulated by the scheme girl named "Natalia"? I gave him the title "most nave guy in this show". Which is ironic, because the world masters of romance scam are the Africans themselves, more precisely the Nigerians. No racism, just fact. A perfect coon team would be a Ukrainian and Nigerian combined, the dream team of romance scam, such a team would manage to sell the cure for covid and everybody would blindly believe it.

  14. #1995

    P.s.

    Oh BTW, remember that expensive Cruise Ship trip he bought for him and Lana? Yep, she didn't show up for the bording.

  15. #1994

    Meet Lana, the Pro Catfish

    To my review about this docusoap I have a small update: remember that black guy who was psychologically manipulated by the scheme girl named "Natalia"? I gave him the title "most nave guy in this show". Which is ironic, because the world masters of romance scam are the Africans themselves, more precisely the Nigerians. No racism, just fact. A perfect coon team would be a Ukrainian and Nigerian combined, the dream team of romance scam, such a team would manage to sell the cure for covid and everybody would blindly believe it.

    But, when I just thought things couldn't get worse. Well, it got worse. Now my number one poterpevshiy is a gentleman from Las Vegas (gorod grekhov is a not bad place for fun BTW, Idk why this guy has to cross the bolshaya voda to find satisfaction) called "Larry". And he is not only white, but has more cash than the previous geroi. And more ignorance, by far. Other than our first geroi, this new one "never talked to his 'girlfriend' Lana by phone or skype" in these years. And he has been 'dating her' for years. Which means "pay for chat" and "pay to tranlstae the chat" LOL. Also in that 'very serious site' site beginning with a and ending with g. I wonder how such scammers manage to keep up and running for so many years, maybe they are tolerated by the local police, Idk. Back to our new geroi: he spent more than the Black guy spent on Natalya, by far. All he got was some photos and chats. That's all to blind his brain with, well, 'love'.

    After failing to bring her to the US, he decided to visit her in her country. By some 'unexpected reason' she couldn't meet him at the airport in Kiev. They agreed to meet the next day at the train station where she would arrive by eletrichka (remember that all this agreements were made by text messages only, no voice no video). So he rented a car went to the station. She didn't show up. Of course not. Now this genius has a brilliant idea: he will visit her in her village 'to see for himself what is going on'. How he got her 'address'? Simple, some years ago he booked a Cruise Ship trip for them, and for the registration they needed her home address. Hmm, maybe he will end up as a Darwin Award nominee.

    Such guys are bad for the image of the Western man in Ukraine and Russia.

    Quote Originally Posted by SanGaetano  [View Original Post]
    There is a TV show, some call it "documentary", come on.

    It's about guys who wish to marry girls from other countries. I usually don't watch it, but I saw an ad about one episode involving an American guy and a Ukrainian girl. So, I thought to myself, let's watch it. I don't know if it's allowed to post the name of the TV show here, but if you google the names of the people you will find the show online.

    The guy is called Cesar, the girl is called Maria. They met on a dating site. No, she is not a black guy sitting in an internet caf in Lagos, no she is real, well maybe "too real" if you know what I mean.

    I saw 4 or 5 episodes of this show. He is a low middle-class guy but managed to spend 40 k US $ on her in a time frame (if I remember well of 5 years). He didn't have this money, so he borrowed money from his best friends and even from his boss. BTW everybody who gave him the cash said "She is a catfish bro". How many times did they meet in these 5 years? Well let me count, ZERO. Only chatting over skype. They showed some of the chats:.

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