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  1. #19695

    Beginners help

    Quote Originally Posted by Flexxx  [View Original Post]
    If there is anyone in Kiev that can meet me and help guide me through the city please reach out. I am willing to pay generously for any local connections. Any suggestions anyone?
    Hi Flexxx. I'm arriving tomorrow morning to meet an old friend in Kiev, I can meet you at Chateau-bar / restaurant in Kreshatik 28 (not sure about the number. It's on the northern side, and McDonald's is on the opposite side of the street, a little more to the west. The "Passage" is directly opposite Ш1040;1058;1054; (Ukrainian sign reads like this) Meet me there at 17.00 on second floor. I'll wait 5 minutes. Güntherus (former RollBuzz).

  2. #19694
    If there is anyone in Kiev that can meet me and help guide me through the city please reach out. I am willing to pay generously for any local connections. Any suggestions anyone?

  3. #19693
    Quote Originally Posted by Kozerog  [View Original Post]
    My pain tolerance for BS and scamming is actually very low, but I also have a very low need for novelty and I'm long-term oriented, which compensates. I was willing to put up with BS agency tactics as a learning experience, then I put up different BS from independents because I was certain I would eventually find a quality independent, and indeed I did find one. Then I just stuck with that girl and have been happy ever since.

    Gave my jewel a pay raise this Monday, in fact. Maybe some posters here will shake their heads at 5000 uah for 4 hours, 2-3 times a week, plus big bonus at end of summer plus maybe some paid travel together later this year. But I get more pleasure from this girl than anything else I could spend money on, since all other sources of pleasure are free or close to free (morning calisthenics / yoga, hiking in the mountains, music and books, sitting in the park). It would be very foolish to give her an incentive to keep looking for a better sponsor. I'll post a final statement at end of summer of what I gave her, but probably will be around $6000.
    I think it is a great idea. Be happy and have fun. Nothing wrong with taking care of someone you care about and gives you pleasure.

  4. #19692
    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    You guys must have an incredible pain tolerance to put up with the BS you guys tolerate.
    My pain tolerance for BS and scamming is actually very low, but I also have a very low need for novelty and I'm long-term oriented, which compensates. I was willing to put up with BS agency tactics as a learning experience, then I put up different BS from independents because I was certain I would eventually find a quality independent, and indeed I did find one. Then I just stuck with that girl and have been happy ever since.

    Gave my jewel a pay raise this Monday, in fact. Maybe some posters here will shake their heads at 5000 uah for 4 hours, 2-3 times a week, plus big bonus at end of summer plus maybe some paid travel together later this year. But I get more pleasure from this girl than anything else I could spend money on, since all other sources of pleasure are free or close to free (morning calisthenics / yoga, hiking in the mountains, music and books, sitting in the park). It would be very foolish to give her an incentive to keep looking for a better sponsor. I'll post a final statement at end of summer of what I gave her, but probably will be around $6000.

  5. #19691
    relaxkiev.com- for some of the photos it says "photo checked" its BS, right? Most of the checked photos are fake?

  6. #19690
    Heading to Kiev tomorrow. Was hoping to get a membership to ISG so I could contact other members for advice while I was there but now that is not possible since there is presently no credit card processor for ISG. I'm sure they are trying to rectify this but in the meantime its frustrating to not be able to reach out other than here on the board.

    It's my first time and I only have 4 days in the city. I love going for massages and also checking out the strip bars. I will review the Kiev thread in detail but from what I understand strip bars might not be the greatest idea? Tourist traps? What about decent massage places?

    I've set up an account on mamba and will research using it over the next few days but any advice would be greatly appreciated. I'm trying to do my best to avoid getting ripped off but I am pricing in some funds for exactly that as every new locale has a learning curve.

    Is there anyone experienced on the board that will be in Kiev to meet up for a drink? I would welcome any advice that might make my trip go a bit smoother.

    Thanks in advance!

  7. #19689
    Quote Originally Posted by TinyHippo  [View Original Post]
    ...Follow local customs when you are not in your home country.
    Local customs in Kiev are to extort as much money as possible from visitors that allow that.

    On that subject, I am sorry, but I align with Stevie. I am not a walking ATM to get milked by whoever feels entitled.

  8. #19688
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie69  [View Original Post]
    ...You guys are talking about agencies, them sending you uglies, and being black-listed. I think we are playing a different game. I deal with independents, not agencies, part timers, not professionals...
    True indeed. Independents often arrive on foot / by metro, and if they ever ask about taxi fare, it is done during remote negotiations / courtship phase via Viber. If it is reasonable, I agree. My regular contacts do not discuss taxi fare. Some even insist on paying themselves.

    If I like girl's performance and personality, I may give her 100 UAH taxi fare or even a bigger tip upon departure. If, however she begs for taxi fare "because it's always like that", or tells her story about crying babies at home and other shit, then it's a sure way to get a firm "No" and "Bye".

    As far as walking around in high heels. Yeah, it's hilarious! Last December, upon completing the deed, my lady of the hour happened to walk back to the base in high heels, a G-string, light skirt, and no pantyhose. All the way to the base about 15-20 minutes in minus 15 Celsius, roughly +5 Fahrenheit! Essentially bare ass. Totally stupid behavior!

    And yeah, her high heels were clattering on centuries old cobblestone along the remnants of the 10th century city fortress walls descending from Golden Gates to Maidan. But she was a rare exception, because around 7 am in the morning no other orders were expected, their driver retired till 9-10 am when new troops were expected to wake up, and she was just plain crazy.

  9. #19687
    Quote Originally Posted by Kozerog  [View Original Post]
    If taxi fare you agreed to is high, and you have shown yourself willing to pay taxi fare each time you send girls back for whatever reason, then agency figures they can earn a little extra by alternating bad girls with good, so as to earn these extra taxi fares. Bad business, because it just pisses customers off in the long run, but that's Kyiv agency thinking.

    If you don't pay the taxi fare several times in succession, that will definitely make the agency block you, as will yelling at them when you figure out the scam they are running. Best thing is to follow Photoslider's 100 uah rule. And fight for that price up front, on your initial order with the agency, so you don't have to renegotiate on subsequent orders.

    There are also scam agencies which send truly hideous girls, knowing you'll reject. At 200 uah per scam and 1 scam per hour, then profit of 100 if actual taxi is 100.100 uah per hour is enough money in Kyiv to support two poor people running such a scam. If actual taxi is 50, and you agree to 100, then profit only 50 per hour, which is close to unfeasible for two people..
    Wow, this is one scam I did not know about. Some of the girls online or the dating agency will ask for way more, ($25-50), but I never thought about someone doing it for a couple of bucks, not a very glamorous way to make a living. I guess if you can do 5-10, in a shift it is a decent nights wage in Kiev. I was primarily meeting girls at the clubs and apartments, so this was not an issue.

    You guys must have an incredible pain tolerance to put up with the BS you guys tolerate. In Mexico I have almost had no issues with scams. Maybe have to turn away 1 or 2, out of 10 away at the door. Russia even better, maybe 1 out of 10, if even that and as far as scams almost nothing just to give some examples. Both in Mexico / Russia the girls are better looking in person, then there pictures, this almost never happened in Kiev.

  10. #19686

    Rude American woman.

    With some people, differences of opinion always get personal.

    I will not go somewhere else. I like Ukraine. I am just sharing what I think have been my keys to success, regardless of where I am from.

    I am nothing like an American woman. For one think, I am not as fat!

    You guys are talking about agencies, them sending you uglies, and being black-listed. I think we are playing a different game. I deal with independents, not agencies, part timers, not professionals. I also get a new number every time I go, so even if I dealt with agencies, they would find it hard to blacklist me. And if the photos do not match the person who shows up, hey get rejected. No questions asked, no taxi fare, not even metro fare.

    Quote Originally Posted by TinyHippo  [View Original Post]
    The taxi fee is separate in case you turn the girl away. It is how things are done in Ukraine. If you do not like it, go somewhere else.

    I do not know where you are from, but you remind me of an American woman I saw in Prague yelling at a waitress for not speaking English. Follow local customs when you are not in your home country.

  11. #19685
    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    Just to Clarify you are arguing with agencies and girls over $3. Probably not a good decision, especially if you are a newbie. You need to pick your battles, remember if you cause issues agencies they will block you. This makes zero sense to me.
    If taxi fare you agreed to is high, and you have shown yourself willing to pay taxi fare each time you send girls back for whatever reason, then agency figures they can earn a little extra by alternating bad girls with good, so as to earn these extra taxi fares. Bad business, because it just pisses customers off in the long run, but that's Kyiv agency thinking.

    If you don't pay the taxi fare several times in succession, that will definitely make the agency block you, as will yelling at them when you figure out the scam they are running. Best thing is to follow Photoslider's 100 uah rule. And fight for that price up front, on your initial order with the agency, so you don't have to renegotiate on subsequent orders.

    There are also scam agencies which send truly hideous girls, knowing you'll reject. At 200 uah per scam and 1 scam per hour, then profit of 100 if actual taxi is 100.100 uah per hour is enough money in Kyiv to support two poor people running such a scam. If actual taxi is 50, and you agree to 100, then profit only 50 per hour, which is close to unfeasible for two people.

    Regarding airport taxi fares, note that bus 322 costs 100 uah from central train station. That bus is standing room only, mostly airport workers, sweltering hot in summer. I take it myself if I am not in a hurry. It makes no sense that a private taxi would cost the same for two people as two bus 322 fares. Also Uklon fares ARE local fares. Maybe an unaffiliated taxi might undercut Uklon by 10-20%, but not 40% or more. Uber is more expensive, unless using that discount mentioned in another post.

  12. #19684
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevie69  [View Original Post]
    More like 4, or 8, and / or 10-20 % of the price, but that is not the point. The price, whatever it is, ought to be all-inclusive.

    And though shall only think in local currency.
    The taxi fee is separate in case you turn the girl away. It is how things are done in Ukraine. If you do not like it, go somewhere else.

    I do not know where you are from, but you remind me of an American woman I saw in Prague yelling at a waitress for not speaking English. Follow local customs when you are not in your home country.

  13. #19683

    Yes, but.

    More like 4, or 8, and / or 10-20 % of the price, but that is not the point. The price, whatever it is, ought to be all-inclusive.

    And though shall only think in local currency.

    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    Just to Clarify you are arguing with agencies and girls over $3. Probably not a good decision, especially if you are a newbie. You need to pick your battles, remember if you cause issues agencies they will block you. This makes zero sense to me.

  14. #19682

    6,66 Euros

    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    Just to Clarify you are arguing with agencies and girls over $3. Probably not a good decision, especially if you are a newbie. You need to pick your battles, remember if you cause issues agencies they will block you. This makes zero sense to me.
    Today 200 UAH is worth 6,66 €. To me this is a fair amount which can serve as a cancellation fee if you don't accept the girl. You could of course in many cases also argue you were promised somebody else or some other idea of a woman. You would therefore be entitled to send her (ever so often: them, because sometimes they send a selection of girls in one car) back without taxi fare.

    But to me the 200 UAH are something like a tax. This is not my country, I am a sex tourist, I don't see any reason why I should be super stingy. If I like the girl I can still spend an hour with her for 1600 or 1800 the 200 included. Which is not a lot of money for an Italian middle class man. Agency girls are rarely in the business for the fun of it so this is another reason to show some respect for the situation. 200 UAH is a currency for this predicament.

    Unfortunately after the loss of Backpage (which used to have great independents) nothing like it ever surfaced (at least I didn't find anything). So agencies via Relaxkiev or similar sites are a feasible way for anybody who does not want to invest into more upscale options like sugar or travel websites. Mamba never really worked very well for me.

  15. #19681

    Kiev next week.

    Can anybody make any personal recommendations from RelaxKiev? Incall is preferred.

    Thanks.

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