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  1. #15383

    Look, you might as well just get it over with and go east.

    I can't say anything about how much Kharkov's changed since 2009, I moved on. I can say that what I studied here proved to be true, in both what I experienced down south on the Volga, and because I have not read anything here, or seen enough fotos, to make me believe that I missed much in Kharkov, compared to the last 9 years traveling in the heart of our Motherland.

    It can be kind of depressing dragging out some of the past glories, you know, there's no going back. Kiev itself was way off the charts before they bulldozed the little fountain and built the fucking mall underground, way back when mamachka Zhana ran her expensive dyevs agency in the Kyiv Post. Fuck, that's even before Mystery tramp and that whole ungodly era.

    Please don't discount the importance of having the right acquaintances, unfortunately all of mine in Ukraine dried up. Still, I'm convinced if I had invested more time, spoke better Russian then, and made more of an effort to make the right friends, it surely could have kept me from leaving. For me, Russian pastures were much greener. You can't stop progress. Think about it, who would've ever imagined that Putin would outlaw smoking in bars? If that's doesn't tell you what you need to know, you might want to increase your Ritalin dose.

    Sadly, what those early masters foretold has pretty much held true, which is why I really urge you boys to put away your scout uniforms, pull out your platinum cards, and like I said already, take a deep breath, and head for time zone UTC +6. Before the party's over. If for no other reason at all, pump some dollars into the Russian economy! No offense to Poroshenko, but Ukraine is no more than a remnant of what it was, the gangsters carved it up like cossacks eating crows.

    Go on and mess with Texas, but please do NOT fuck with the Bear!

    But if you insist on still wearing your scout uniform, knock yourself out eating prussian sausages in Koenigsberg.

  2. #15382

    Bukovel

    I'm thinking about going skiing at Bukovel next month before heading out to Kiev.

    What's the scene like? Probably none?

  3. #15381
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojosun  [View Original Post]
    Sorbonne,

    One thing I learned since I became I a member here is to research facts & figures before I head to a place and that's what Research revealed about Kharkiv, Kharkov.

    First time I went to Tokyo many years ago I didn't know about ISG or any other forum, needless to say it cost me a lot of money in expensive mistakes and of all places in the world I've been to I had my drink spiked by the Nigerian manager of a hostess club in Shinjuku. The morale of this, I should've researched Shinjuku as a place with many scams unlike other parts of Tokyo which are very safe.
    I didn't mean to offend you, and I don't think you were offended.

    It's just that when I read you had not been to Kharkov, I was surprised because I thought for sure you had been there reading the previous post. It was hilarious!

  4. #15380

    Kharkov

    Quote Originally Posted by SukaShalava  [View Original Post]
    Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

    By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

    On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long.

    By 2008, I noticed more people speaking English in Kharkov. The quality of talent at the few available agencies and apartments, and street walkers, was so AWFUL, that I permanently abandoned Kharkov, because as Dr. Skank had forewarned, Ukraine would eventually play itself out..
    Another very good report from nearly 2 years ago on Kharkov by Russel339. If anything it should now be cheaper still unless prices have doubled.

    Quote Originally Posted by Russel4339  [View Original Post]
    Gentlemen,

    I have lived in Kharkov for more than three years. I am not on the site often, but I thought that I would give you and update on the city since I had some time tonight.

    Mamba. Kiev. Uk. This is a good place to find women in Kharkov. About 20% of the women under 30 are pay-for-play on the site. (Look for women wanting sponsors). Note, however, that the women on this site go on and off the site very quickly. If you are looking a month ahead of time. The lady will probably not be there when you arrive. If you do make contact, the lady will typically come to your hotel or apartment. The cost is typically 400-500 UAH plus taxi (approx. $50. Now $40 with the recent currency inflation over the last month). Another thing to note. The chance of the girl showing up: 95. The chance of the girl in the picture showing up: 30. Most of these ads are for agencies and will send over any girl if you don't ask. (And sometimes even if your do).

    I currently have 3 girlfriends in Kharkov that I met on Mamba. These are older ladies (35-40 but, then, I am older also). They are beautiful and I never pay for anything other than dinner, a movie, or a theater ticket. With some patience and a positive attitude, anything is possible...
    http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...eply&p=1538040

  5. #15379

    A good seeing to?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex57  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    I have been in Kiev tens of times. And, recently I never payed more than 1500 UAH for 18 to 20 yo, 8 -9 girls yes that is correct, very beautiful girls not more than 1500 UAH for one hour and remember, paying extra money does not guarantee good service, as the good service depends on many other parameters! So again please. Do not inflate the price!

    Thanks to all.
    Hi Alex.

    I don't doubt there are 18 to 20 yo,8-9 girls out there in Kiev, But at such prices and readily avaialble to every Tom, Dick, Abdul Monger?? At such prices (not more than (US $60 an hour) it beats hands down the Talent that was available during River Palace days who used to go for Min $200 .

    I don't go for good service, I am more into hot looks and with the kind of girls you describe above with the age group 18/24 .

    When it comes to good service LOL, I make sure that I give them a Good Seeing to, even if the said girl, girls were Grumpy.

    Here's what it means So we don't get lost in translation as I first heard it in London.

    " A good, hard, fuck.

    "Kascia seems grumpy".

    I think she needs a good seeing to. " http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=A+good+seeing+to.

    And at such prices, I wouldn't mind even tipping them a little, LOL Spread the wealth.

    Cheers.

  6. #15378

    Sources??

    Quote Originally Posted by Alex57  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    I have been in Kiev tens of times. And, recently I never payed more than 1500 UAH for 18 to 20 yo, 8 -9 girls yes that is correct, very beautiful girls not more than 1500 UAH for one hour and remember, paying extra money does not guarantee good service, as the good service depends on many other parameters! So again please. Do not inflate the price!

    Thanks to all.
    In the past I've used Kiev escorts and top modals. I used to speed- interview them in the lobby of my hotel. Anyone not to my liking, back to sender with 50 UAH Taxi money. This was before the UAH took a dive.

    Best agency I found at the time back in 2009 was Marina agency they used to advertise on the back page of Kiev Post (Personals) .

    Are the 8 -9 Girls at no more than 1500 UAH agency, semi pros, Referrals??

    If Agency or semi pros, links?

  7. #15377

    Kharkov v Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by SukaShalava  [View Original Post]
    Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

    By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

    On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long..
    Thanks Suka for a great post.

    What do think of Kaliningrad as a third alternative t0 Ekaterinberg and Novosibrisk?

    From Europe its very easy and cost effective to fly to Gdansk in Poland and its just a ride on the bus or train to Kaliningrad and at times of crises its much easier to leg it out back to Poland.

  8. #15376
    Quote Originally Posted by SukaShalava  [View Original Post]
    Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

    By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

    On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long.

    By 2008, I noticed more people speaking English in Kharkov. The quality of talent at the few available agencies and apartments, and street walkers, was so AWFUL, that I permanently abandoned Kharkov, because as Dr. Skank had forewarned, Ukraine would eventually play itself out.

    Over the last 9 years, after fifteen adventures in Russia, I've seen some of the same declines in the provinces. In the last two or three years, the escort agencies that cater to locals, that used to have some amazing ladies, now only have very poor talent. The apartments, again for locals, now only have ladies from Africa, NO Russian ladies at all, none! Mamba has been a waste of time since 2013.

    It's time to shift again, as this was predicted a while ago by those original mongers I already referenced. Ekaterinburg and Novosibirsk are probably the best bets for the next 5 to 10 years, before the whole enchilada is done.
    Wow. Dr. Skank is blast from the past. Newer members should do a search to see some of his amazing reports.

    I agree Mamba has totally gone downhill the last few years. This is what happens when Tinder is taking over especially in Russia.

  9. #15375

    Research.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorbonne  [View Original Post]
    Jojo,

    WTF?

    You've never been to Kharkiv but speak as if you have?

    LOL!
    Sorbonne,

    One thing I learned since I became I a member here is to research facts & figures before I head to a place and that's what Research revealed about Kharkiv, Kharkov.

    First time I went to Tokyo many years ago I didn't know about ISG or any other forum, needless to say it cost me a lot of money in expensive mistakes and of all places in the world I've been to I had my drink spiked by the Nigerian manager of a hostess club in Shinjuku. The morale of this, I should've researched Shinjuku as a place with many scams unlike other parts of Tokyo which are very safe.

  10. #15374

    Kharkov v. Russia

    Quote Originally Posted by Sorbonne  [View Original Post]
    Jojo,

    WTF?

    You've never been to Kharkiv but speak as if you have?

    LOL!
    Kharkov was an extremely productive base of operations up until 2008, I was there fifteen times in 9 years. But like everything, as time grinds on, unless you are there full time to branch out and consolidate your contacts, Ukraine gradually declines. Around 2006, it was obvious that Mamba started working for sponsorships. But prior to that, it was possible to place very inexpensive sponsorship advertisements in the local gazetta Prospekt, in the Znakomstva section. One well written ad could generate texts and calls ALL DAY long. By 2006 though, ladies ignored these newspaper ads and websites were the way to hook up.

    By 2006, I'd heard enough stories from Dr. Skank and CaTraveler, that if I wasn't going to monger in Russia, I was missing the real thing. As usual, they were absolutely right. In 2006, the internet had not completely caught up yet in the Russian provinces like it had in Kharkov.

    On my first Russian trips, it was possible, though very expensive, to advertise for sponsorships in the gazetta Iz-Ruk-v-Ruki. Again, one well written ad could generate calls and texts ALL DAY long.

    By 2008, I noticed more people speaking English in Kharkov. The quality of talent at the few available agencies and apartments, and street walkers, was so AWFUL, that I permanently abandoned Kharkov, because as Dr. Skank had forewarned, Ukraine would eventually play itself out.

    Over the last 9 years, after fifteen adventures in Russia, I've seen some of the same declines in the provinces. In the last two or three years, the escort agencies that cater to locals, that used to have some amazing ladies, now only have very poor talent. The apartments, again for locals, now only have ladies from Africa, NO Russian ladies at all, none! Mamba has been a waste of time since 2013.

    It's time to shift again, as this was predicted a while ago by those original mongers I already referenced. Ekaterinburg and Novosibirsk are probably the best bets for the next 5 to 10 years, before the whole enchilada is done.

  11. #15373
    Quote Originally Posted by HornyMonger  [View Original Post]
    "disappointing and expensive trips" are the two words that almost all mongers will depart with when they leave Kiev.
    Sadly sounds very true. I always viewed my chances of a successful trip to Kiev were fifty per cent based on my preparation and knowledge, and the other fifty based on pure luck.

  12. #15372
    As posted before again and again, almost all good looking / beautiful girls have already left long ago!
    Most are now average looking and ask for lots of money, as have written here numerous times.
    If you can spend 500 $ and up and can find one, working girls are that much beautiful.

    As posted umpteen times here also, it's cheaper to get beautiful Ukrainian girls in Dubai or Thailand!

    It's gotten worse and worse since around 2011.

    Quote Originally Posted by AsDog  [View Original Post]
    This is exactly my question.

    How to find good looking girls in Kiev without being scammed?

    Is it possible at all? Are Kiev working girls that much beautiful?

  13. #15371
    "disappointing and expensive trips" are the two words that almost all mongers will depart with when they leave Kiev.

    Quote Originally Posted by InsomniacTales  [View Original Post]
    After my disappointing and expensive trips to Dolls where all the pretty and decent girls seem to have been driven away, I followed the tips and went to Star Nosorog in Podol. This seems to be where the pretty girls have gone. But no take out option. Great full on private dances. Trousers off. Grinding. Full contact. Long dances. 300 each. Whisky or juices at 100 gr. The girls do push a little bit for cocktails but at 200 or so each that's a fair tip to them. A beautiful 20 year old girl called Camilla. Brunette, tame massages but so nice. Her 2nd day only. Philosophy student. Then a crazy wild one Alyna. Both sat with me all night. 6 long dances at 2 songs each, all top quality dancing with zest, in total and with tips it came to 2 k. Easily worth it as a one off and what a boost to the mood! 1. 5 k for food and drinks including skewers of kebabs and grilled fish. Great fun. Much cheaper than Dolls but easily worth it for a good night out that won't leave you feeling ripped off.

  14. #15370
    If you think RIO is bad, you haven't seen the semi-pro scene. It's worse! Lot worse!

    Quote Originally Posted by InsomniacTales  [View Original Post]
    So true. And Rio on Thursday even at 9 pm had a very variable range of girls. Not as hot as expected from the previous posts. Perhaps a bad weekday night? Getting to the VIP was simple and no tip needed but we saw three large and very rough tattooed girls in a row and so we decided to move on. I've heard a stripper who's friendly and teases with a few extras can make 40 to 60 k grh a month with private dances tips and massages and so on without having to leave the clubs. And that's what the pretty ones do. Word gets round and the city girls are pretty canny now and realize they don't have to have sex to make good money. And they all seem to get European visas with no effort. It's become their market and they can pick and choose from amongst the plentiful supply of men throwing cash at them.

  15. #15369
    Quote Originally Posted by Jojosun  [View Original Post]
    Kharkiv in the East has a very large student population. 150 k university students are enrolled there annually. It's something like the Ukrainian version of Wroclaw in Poland, however it is larger, has more students, is poorer, and it has almost no Western tourists. It has a population of 1. 5 million people, but because there are so many students, the nightlife and the freebies is like that of a larger city.
    Jojo,

    WTF?

    You've never been to Kharkiv but speak as if you have?

    LOL!

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