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  1. #20516
    Quote Originally Posted by Misterxxx  [View Original Post]
    U..... The government plans to close the country completely by 2020/2021.....
    Without a proof where exactly it says that this is planned you should not spread such things here.

    Or can you please tell us exactly where it says it's planned?

  2. #20515
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthCoder  [View Original Post]
    Thanks, very helpful. So that is approximately 560 E (70 E / meeting) per month. I just plan to get a sugar baby in Kiev after the pandemic, so I think how much I should offer.
    Until the beginning of the year 2500 uah were equal to 100 dollars. Even if we are in recession: Ukrainians think differently. At the moment it is not clear when men from abroad can travel to Ukraine again. The government plans to close the country completely by 2020/2021. I would not plan for summer and autumn.

  3. #20514
    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    I think it is crazy to give any girl $2000 in Ukraine.
    Bonus was after 25 meetings of 4 hours each, so $80 bonus per meeting, above usual rate. Backloaded compensation encourages long-term thinking and trust on girl's part. If her trust is justified by actually receiving a good bonus, then that creates further trust and stronger long-term relationship. I am also a big believer in end of year bonuses for regular employees in the business world, for similar reasons of building strong long-term relationships.

    As for actual $ amount, I am trying to take this girl off the market and keep her to myself to some extent, so if other guys are discouraged or disgusted by the amount I paid, that's just what I want. I can't ask for monogamy if I'm only in Ukraine 3 months per year, but without monogamy, I won't pay more than $2000 bonus or I'd feel like a fool. So it's a tricky balancing act and I put a lot of thought into this payment issue. Much of that thinking I shared in previous posts.

    Note that I'm eventually thinking of moving permanently to Kyiv and then I'd be seeing this girl even more often, so the money I pay now is sort of an investment that might pay off. Regardless, she's inexpensive compared to what I'd have to spend to get an American girlfriend 30 years younger of similar quality.

  4. #20513
    Quote Originally Posted by Kozerog  [View Original Post]
    One simple-minded but cheap method is to setup a cheap internet only bank account, such as CapitalOne in the USA, then activate the ATM card, then hardcopy mail the ATM card to Ukraine, then send the ATM PIN code by text message, then transfer money into the account as desired from other bank or investment accounts. Takes a few weeks, but once setup, only 1% currency conversion fees plus local ATM fees (typically 50 UAH, so small as a percentage if withdrawing large amounts).

    You can cancel the ATM card and get a new one if and when you get a new girlfriend.

    I don't mean to judge, since everyone's circumstances are different, but personally I would never send money to my girl. I gave her a big bonus at end of last summer ($2000) and she should have put that into savings for emergencies like what we are having now. Otherwise, wait until I arrive. Of course, I wouldn't talk so bluntly with her, but would instead invent some silly story of my own to justify not sending money. She knows me well enough to know this is how I would react if she asked for money, and so she has not asked, though I'm sure her situation is difficult.

    No one is starving in Ukraine. They have soup kitchens for the poor, plus those who came from villages can return to the village, where there is plenty of food for those willing to work.
    Weird, normally you give decent advice. Nothing wrong with sending money to your girlfriend, in fact normal in Europe and Latin America. She will probably will be pissed of you do not. I would not send a large amount, especially to a chick in Ukraine.

    I send small amounts to girls all the time and have great results. I am fortunate to be making good money during the virus. I feel terrible for my friends that have lost there job.

    I think it is crazy to give any girl $2000 in Ukraine. That is 10 times worse then sending money to your girlfriend. You guys on this page never seem to amaze me with bad decisions and advice.

  5. #20512
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMercySeat  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.

    Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?

    Thanks for any help.
    Use Transferwise, they can send to a lot of Ukrainian Cards.

    Its safe and I use it a lot when either moving money on privatbank or paying for flowers, or other things.

  6. #20511
    Try payoneer.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMercySeat  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.

    Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?

    Thanks for any help.

  7. #20510
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMercySeat  [View Original Post]
    Hi,

    Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.

    Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?

    Thanks for any help.
    Hi,

    WU still works. I used it to send my girlfriend money last week.

  8. #20509
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMercySeat  [View Original Post]
    Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now.
    One simple-minded but cheap method is to setup a cheap internet only bank account, such as CapitalOne in the USA, then activate the ATM card, then hardcopy mail the ATM card to Ukraine, then send the ATM PIN code by text message, then transfer money into the account as desired from other bank or investment accounts. Takes a few weeks, but once setup, only 1% currency conversion fees plus local ATM fees (typically 50 UAH, so small as a percentage if withdrawing large amounts).

    You can cancel the ATM card and get a new one if and when you get a new girlfriend.

    I don't mean to judge, since everyone's circumstances are different, but personally I would never send money to my girl. I gave her a big bonus at end of last summer ($2000) and she should have put that into savings for emergencies like what we are having now. Otherwise, wait until I arrive. Of course, I wouldn't talk so bluntly with her, but would instead invent some silly story of my own to justify not sending money. She knows me well enough to know this is how I would react if she asked for money, and so she has not asked, though I'm sure her situation is difficult.

    No one is starving in Ukraine. They have soup kitchens for the poor, plus those who came from villages can return to the village, where there is plenty of food for those willing to work.

  9. #20508
    Quote Originally Posted by Misterxxx  [View Original Post]
    I asked. But she said: she doesn't meet every day. Usually there are maybe two meetings a week. Sometimes just meeting. The money is spent directly. Rent (nice apartment), sports studio, beauty salon, restaurant, taxi. Kiev is not cheap if you don't go to Puzata Hata and don't use the metro. Money in the bank: nothing. Purse: for a maximum of 1-2 days. Sometimes not enough money to pay a taxi.

    The professionals (who work for agencies) have more clients. But with the agency's share, there isn't much more money left.
    Thanks, very helpful. So that is approximately 560 E (70 E / meeting) per month. I just plan to get a sugar baby in Kiev after the pandemic, so I think how much I should offer.

  10. #20507

    Best way to send money to Kiev?

    Hi,

    Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.

    Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?

    Thanks for any help.

  11. #20506
    Adding to my report below:

    When she arrived at my hotel without a mask, I chatted with her for a few minutes, socially distancing her at the hotel lobby, to make sure she was not coughing, and after that I touched her forehead to see if she has a high body temperature. When I saw her the last time 3 1/2 months ago in Kiev before covid, I remember her body was very warm, but this time it was much less warm, so I determined that she did not have a high body temperature.

    At Kiev pharmacies they are now supposedly selling express coronavirus test kits. I thought about buying one and use it on her but didn't know how "express" it was, so I didn't bother.

    In bed I put a mask on her, but it was an eye mask. She didn't cough or sneeze but moaned and screamed.

  12. #20505
    I ventured into Kiev from suburbs and met with one of my fave girls in UKraine a few nights ago.

    I was surprised that she showed up without even wearing a mask, saying "I'm so young, so I'm not worried."

    Well, apparently she is misinformed. She could be passing virus to someone like,,,me!

    But believing that a quality life is more important than a long, mundane life, I let her into my bed.

    So far I'm not seeing any symptoms.

  13. #20504
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthCoder  [View Original Post]
    Did any of you ask girls (college girls and semi-pros in 2000-2500 uah price range) of how much do they earn from this hobby?
    I asked. But she said: she doesn't meet every day. Usually there are maybe two meetings a week. Sometimes just meeting. The money is spent directly. Rent (nice apartment), sports studio, beauty salon, restaurant, taxi. Kiev is not cheap if you don't go to Puzata Hata and don't use the metro. Money in the bank: nothing. Purse: for a maximum of 1-2 days. Sometimes not enough money to pay a taxi.

    The professionals (who work for agencies) have more clients. But with the agency's share, there isn't much more money left.

  14. #20503
    Quote Originally Posted by DarthCoder  [View Original Post]
    Did any of you ask girls (college girls and semi-pros in 2000-2500 uah price range) of how much do they earn from this hobby?
    There is no use asking. Even the most open of ladies would never be truthful about this subject.

  15. #20502

    Kiev girls' income

    Did any of you ask girls (college girls and semi-pros in 2000-2500 uah price range) of how much do they earn from this hobby?

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