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  1. #21879
    Quote Originally Posted by SprKiev21  [View Original Post]
    No, you will not get ripped of- However the girls selection on site could be very different from what they tell you on the phone. Also, please make sure you negotiate all services before you pay. In the basic "package" you'll get only CBJ / Massage / FS and if you need extra options (like kissing, DATY or whatever you like.) than you'll need to negotiate this for extra fee. (If services available).
    I don't negotiate for extra services. I simply try to get those from girls. Many go for it. Negotiating in advance means much higher price without ensuring that quality of extra service will be good.

    Different approach. Yours, Spr, may work for you, and that's great too.

  2. #21878
    Spr gave a great suggestion: Watch porn and jerk off at home. Much safer. I actually had my friend saying the same to bouncers outside of one of the strip clubs at the Arena City. They invited us:

    - Come on, guys! Would you like some entertainment and a female company? We are premiere strip club!

    - Oh yeah? I am fucking sick of all your strip clubs in Kiev! I can easily jerk off at home!

    Going back to your questions:

    You are calculating, extrapolating and trying to predict too much. All of that nonsense will be out of the window the moment you set your feet on Ukrainian soil.

    Keep in mind please, - I haven't been to Kiev for awhile. Yes I talk to girls online (like 3 girls today), but there's no substitute for paying them and playing with them in flesh.

    Read further, also, do a search for my reports back to September-November 2017, some of them explain the method.

    Quote Originally Posted by Souless1  [View Original Post]
    I see thanks for those advices PhotoSlider (and the others too of course) ! I'll seriously think about it. However scanning through 15 girls, would probably mean staying longer than 1 week there, right?
    Yep. 15 in one week is a stretch. I usually do 3 girls every 24 hours for 3-5 days upon arrival. 2 weeks IMHO is a minimum. 3-4 weeks improves chances significantly. For 1 week, especially if you reveal it you are perceived as a sex tourist.

    P.S. I already met the girl and had 3 booking with her, for a total of 750 e, that's why I felt compelled of not giving a price too low. In my head I thought along the lines of: she's probably a bit used to Paris's rate, but probably no one in Ukraine will pay that much either so there is good chances she says yes (because that would be roughly equivalent to 6 overnight in France minus the cut from her pimp here, so I thought based on the rate in Paris that's a fair price).
    Calculating too much. Kiev is not deterministic or prescriptive. Very random and stochastic.

    When you're proposing me of searching for several girls, are you talking about independents escorts? Or also girls in what you guys called "apartments"?

    Also a bit curious about you: What do you when chasing yours civilians in Kiev, do you also propose monetary compensation to accelerate the process, or is there no money involved? (I mean, you talked about a civilian balrinna at some point in your posts).
    Most of my girls are from apartments and erotic massage parlors. Including balerinas and more. I simply suggest to pay to them directly, so that instead of getting 25-40%, they get 80-100%, and enjoy my company. I am lots of fun.

    I also have unfair advantages:

    Stay in Kiev 4-6 weeks. Pass for a local.

    Visit often (in the past).

    Native Russian speaker.

    Have very good comprehension of Ukrainian (used more and more by younger ladies).

    Speak very good English.

    Another source is barbershops. Great women there!

    Also a bit curious about this sentence: "The first one used to be an hourly girl with certain aspirations, then I was able to extract her for dedicated personal use". Could you please tell me how you went about it, if you don't mind (If you don't want to say it here, I can pay a subscription and we can discuss by MP) ? To be a bit more transparent, the whole reason why I wanted to do 1 whole week with this girl is probably because of this idea of "dedicated personal use "exclusiveness."
    I converted her on our very first encounter. 19 years old hourly girl. Without discussing anything prior she went for DFK and DATY. Agreed to give me the phone number. She sent me her best pix the next day. Then Viber for a month. Met her again privately. Showed her Kiev. Spent 4 hours together, had great sex with BBBJ, CIM because I was exhausted by 2 girls before the date with her.

    The object of my admiration, as you say, is for me a solid 8.5, perhaps 9 (I mean purely in terms of physical attractiveness, which is so far, given my short 2 month career, my only criteria for choosing an escort). In childish way of saying this, a 8.5 would be roughly the prettiest girl in a class 20-25 girls (just recall your old days at uni, hehe). Would that be easy to find someone like that again? I'm not really sure of what to expect about what I can find on my own there in a limited amount of time.
    Ratings are useless. The best one for me may look ugly to you, and be a princess for another.

    Truth to be told I'm a bit worried about the number of fakes on website such as https://relaxkiev.com or https://keksik.net or ukrgo. (I mean if there were no fakes, obviously I would not be worried about not finding easily someone fitting my criteria).

    Would you know from your experience roughly how many fakes there are in % on sites like those? If there are lot, is it common to ask for photos or video chats prior meeting? Or should I just meet right away and turn tail if the girl is not what I want to see?
    I do not use any websites at all. Phone number of agency, and they send pictures of currently available girls. I ask for 2 candidates, look at them outside, etc. Pix of girls anywhere, including Viber / Telegram / WhatsApp are edited with iPhone Apps. But websites are not updated. Messengers are current. Then curbside casting.

    You may be just fine with your 3 K girl. I wouldn't do it though, not even with today's prices. I like sampling my sweet deserts, then picking 3-4 favorite ones, and rotating through them, enjoying the pleasure of company, while seducing the new ones here and there.

    Not even the highest powers above all of us in heaven know how it's going to play out for you. Stop research on Forum. Real practice on the ground is the validation criteria. The rest is one opinion against the other.

    Again, fuck the naysayers, as you see, some of the guys had great time in Kiev very recently. But there is no guarantee.

    Best of luck, and please report.

  3. #21877
    Quote Originally Posted by DietCoke  [View Original Post]
    Tell us details about the service and the costs. Thanks.
    I wrote this resume on 20 Jul.

    "As I visited lot of strip clubs last week, I decided to know for massage with handjob ending for that week, first I tried is redlight massage.

    https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/

    I was with Eva the first girl in the list, real pics, really pretty and so hot.

    Then, 4 days ago I was to relaxmassage: https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/ I chosen a girl called Dina, I don't see her in pics in website, she had very good massage technics and a cheerful personality.

    Last massage I was to red light again thinking in making a threesome with two masseuses at a time, there was only 1 free masseuse: Eva, I was so happy to meet her again. Don't care about 3 some, other day I will do."

  4. #21876
    Quote Originally Posted by DiaArpy2  [View Original Post]
    I am going to try the apartment closest to me when I arrive in Kyiv, its 14 m walk away. If I get screwed over, or ripped off whatever. I paid for SA account it cost 150 $ and I paid for Tinder Platinum and buncha other crap and they all suck. So If I lose 100-150 $ being ripped off so be it.
    No, you will not get ripped of- However the girls selection on site could be very different from what they tell you on the phone. Also, please make sure you negotiate all services before you pay. In the basic "package" you'll get only CBJ / Massage / FS and if you need extra options (like kissing, DATY or whatever you like.) than you'll need to negotiate this for extra fee. (If services available).

  5. #21875
    I've spent a week or so researching, I've collected tons of numbers and since I am not a newb in this world, I right away asked you an agency or direct? 99% reply agency. Then I ask "Which girl is working now?" Then they send me that, and then I ask give me address, and they give address.

    Out of the 8 I've talked to 6 of them were in the center, and 2 were farther out. Apartments, with multiple girls.

    Many different agencies all funnel to the same operator. As I hit up different agencies on minuet for example, and then they all came back to same operator and I asked are you the same person? And he / she said yea I handle multiple bookings.

    I also talked a lot with one agent who was ultra informative and friendly and made suggestions like what time do most girls work, where it's best.

    I am going to try the apartment closest to me when I arrive in Kyiv, its 14 m walk away. If I get screwed over, or ripped off whatever. I paid for SA account it cost 150 $ and I paid for Tinder Platinum and buncha other crap and they all suck. So If I lose 100-150 $ being ripped off so be it.

    In any case I'll report back, [Deleted by Admin]

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  6. #21874

    Kiev is a Difficult Place

    I was watching a guy on YouTube today go through a bureaucratic maze to get a drivers license in Ukraine. He provides great content and I'm jealous of his lifestyle. Anyway, the dude has many videos of himself fine dining with beautiful women. Excuse me, but where's the friend to help navigate that red tape?

  7. #21873
    Quote Originally Posted by Souless1  [View Original Post]
    (Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate and that's I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour, since 3 k for one week in comparison to her hourly rate is actually very cheap).
    Your calculation is wrong.

    Why does this girl come in France to be a prostitute and doesn't stay in Ukraine?

    Example: I pay usually around 15 for a pizza in Luxembourg. A pizza in Ukraine is 3 - so show I give 15 for a pizza even in Ukraine? Of course no.

    Medium salary in Kiev is 600 $/ month, what is the medium salary in Paris? If I trust google it's 3700 / month.

    So 500 $ for a girl in Paris is less than 100 for a girl in Kiev, and for this price you will find nice student or normal girl just looking for a bonus at the end of the month.

    Up to you to spend the same price in Paris or Kiev, but if I'm the next contact of your girl and she asks 500 in Kiev, I will laugh and go the next profile.

  8. #21872
    Well, to answer your questions.

    I know few professional girls from Odessa and Kiev who used to work for different agencies in London, Paris etc. Specifically agencies like sex-fucktory.com or divas.com. It's sort of body-shops mostly stuffed with Romanians and Russian / Ukrainian touring girls and the main reason for these girls to travel abroad is not just money. The key factor is the Privacy. Some of them are also doing some work on the side (like indies) for a full payment and many agencies allow that for as long as there are no scheduling conflicts. The key principal for them is to stay away from any sorts of "emotional attachments". They do like returning clients but they normally do not like any type of "exclusive" arrangements unless you're ready to offer tones of cash. Another rule they follow. They normally do not fuck where they live and do not live where they fuck. So be careful with your arrangements and instead of paying her 3 K for weekly services. You should pay her 300 $ as if you were in Paris (do not expect her to lower the rate just because you're meeting outside of Paris. If she really likes you than she can make an exception to see you for a longer period of time like $400 for 2 hours or whatever. If you pay upfront 3 K and know nothing about this girl (like where she lives, her friends and all other types of personal information) there is a good chance you will not see her again after the first date and her phone line will be disconnected. I might be mistaken but I've seen few guys whose "romantic adventure" ended up like this. So, be careful.

    Finding 8 or 9 level working girl in Ukraine is a difficult task as there are many travelers like yourself who are looking for the same sort of treatment. Lots of rich guys from rich Arabic countries come to Ukraine with deep pockets looking for a model-type girls for "exclusive" arrangements so the inventory runs out. So, here is the list of options for you.

    1. Forget about local sites as well as mamba, tinder and other junk (refer to my June report for details).

    2. Start with apartments as the cheapest option. But do not go there yourself if you don't speak Russian. I suggest get a taxi driver by Arena and tell him that you need a girl at starting price 3000 (anything lower than that not worth the efforts) he will take you to few places where you might find what you need, but do not expect anything spectacular in terms of service.

    3. Check out https://escort.vc - That's the only legit escort agency with relatively honest representation of the girls. You will not get any 8 or 9 but you might get 7 (depending on your taste) for $250.

    4. Visit few strip-clubs like RIO Dolls or Princes. Keep in mind that best looking girls are normally not for sale but you might got lucky (who knows? And take her out to your apartment for $300 (expect limited services).

    5 OMG (most of the pictures are real although can be heavily photo-shopped. But most of the girls are not worth asking price and you'll have to pay for contacts (The good thing is that they always refund your money if girl doesn't respond).

    6. Just go to xvideos.com and jerk on your favorite porn-star. That's the best and cheapest option.

    Good luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by Souless1  [View Original Post]
    As I kind of hinted in previous post (not yet validated / published by the admin as of now), I'm only interested in girls that fits my taste pretty much (high end girls of 8+).

    I just finished reading SprKiev21's report from 25th of July, and if he what he says about the average price for 8/9's in Kiev being 500 $+ per date is to be believed, then It would simply be fine to keep the agreement as is, since the probability that I get another agreement like this for lower a price with a girl as good looking for a lower price would not be that high. (I also liked talking with her, so I guess that counts too). I'm not trying to save a few hundreds euros or even 1 K (if it were more I would begin considering it ofc). I just want everything to be hassle free.

    I was also wondering how usual it is to get a big discount for longer period booking (like 6-7 days) ? (Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate and that's I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour, since 3 k for one week in comparison to her hourly rate is actually very cheap). Of course I guess that if the downside for an escort is that she would make less money a week with such an arrangement, the upside would be: it's significantly less tiring..

  9. #21871
    Quote Originally Posted by Fred54  [View Original Post]
    I'm sorry but this sound completely stupid questions. Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine, so what do you expect to find?

    What is a real or fake agent? You are not dealing with agents from football stars or actresses. LOL.
    So is smoking weed and doing coke, yet people still talk about it.

    Innocent until proven guilty right.

    Besides, since when is Ukraine the law abiding country of the world?

  10. #21870

    High end escorts in Kiev

    As I kind of hinted in previous post (not yet validated / published by the admin as of now), I'm only interested in girls that fits my taste pretty much (high end girls of 8+).

    I just finished reading SprKiev21's report from 25th of July, and if he what he says about the average price for 8/9's in Kiev being 500 $+ per date is to be believed, then It would simply be fine to keep the agreement as is, since the probability that I get another agreement like this for lower a price with a girl as good looking for a lower price would not be that high. (I also liked talking with her, so I guess that counts too). I'm not trying to save a few hundreds euros or even 1 K (if it were more I would begin considering it ofc). I just want everything to be hassle free.

    I was also wondering how usual it is to get a big discount for longer period booking (like 6-7 days) ? (Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate and that's I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour, since 3 k for one week in comparison to her hourly rate is actually very cheap). Of course I guess that if the downside for an escort is that she would make less money a week with such an arrangement, the upside would be: it's significantly less tiring. But in the end I can only guess about how they weight pros / cons.

    So actually does anyone has experience with long period booking with 8/9's in Kiev? (If I were to search for another girl of this level, I would not count on luck / trial and error and I would probably actually just use something like OMG (recommended by SprKiev21), which seems to be the most reliable ways to get 8's /9's, and not bother with other local escort websites).

    I also think someone wrote recently about some "apartments" in Kiev having high quality girls (hinting at 8/9's available for 6000 uah / h), if that's true that may be an option worth considering to find a potential candidates for a more affordable price). Any one can confirm about such apartments existing?

    P.S. As you may understand, I don't really intend to become a typical punter (I mean, seeing a lot of different girls). I think I would be more satisfied with long period booking with a 8/9's every few months or something like this. (not necessarily the same one each trip, but might be).

    PS2: Reasons why I'm not searching for something is similar in France are several. First I want to use those trips to travel a bit. Second is I'm looking specifically for eastern European looking girls. Third, I think striking a 1-week deal with 8/9's in France would be more expensive / difficult. (I mean the one that are inde would probably be too expensive (also they would be too experienced for my taste), and the ones that under a pimp as temporary worker would likely not be allowed).

  11. #21869
    As I kind of hinted in previous post, I'm only interested in girls that fits my taste pretty much (high end girls of 8+).

    I just finished reading SprKiev21's report from 25th of July, and if he what he says about the average price for 8/9's in Kiev being 500 $+ per date is to be believed, then It would simply be fine to keep the agreement as is, since the probability that I get another agreement like this for lower a price with a girl as good looking for a lower price would not be that high. (I also liked talking with her, so I guess that counts too). I'm not trying to save a few hundreds euros. It's perhaps not worth the hassle I think.

    Unless it's not unusual to get a big discount for longer period booking (like 6-7 days) ? (Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate, that she didn't dislike me, I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour). Of course I guess that if the downside for an escort is that would make less money with such an arrangement, the upside would be: it's significantly less tiring.

    So actually does anyone has experience with long period booking with 8/9's in Kiev? (If I were to search for another one, I would not count on luck / trial and error and I would probably actually just use something like OMG, which seems to be the most reliable ways to get 8's /9's, and not bother with other local escort websites).

    I also think someone also talked about some apartments in Kiev having high quality girls (hinting 8/9's available for 6000 uah / h), if that's true that may be a viable option to find a potential candidates too). Any one can confirm about this one?

  12. #21868
    Quote Originally Posted by DiaArpy2  [View Original Post]
    Wondering is this legit? Are these sites / agents real? Real brothels? What's the best site?.
    I'm sorry but this sound completely stupid questions. Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine, so what do you expect to find?

    What is a real or fake agent? You are not dealing with agents from football stars or actresses. LOL.

  13. #21867
    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoSlider  [View Original Post]
    That's the best advice!

    You already have doubts. Your object of admiration will sense it, doesn't matter if you restart negotiations or not. Ukrainian girls prefer confident lovers. If you negotiate down, her service will be poor. If you don't, you'd be unhappy, and then again, her service will be poor.

    I would cancel anybody remote who you never met before, and research the market while on the ground. Scan through 15 girls. 3000 euro will allow you to do that. At least 5 of them will be good, give or take. 2 or 3 will be great. Maybe 1 will agree longer term. $500 for 2-3 nights with great girls coming to Kiev from outside is not unheard of. Even if it's 1000 or 1500, but you'd be happy, thinking you didn't overpay, and you'd have a better sense of the lay of the ground after more thorough research instead of gambling with one..
    I see thanks for those advices PhotoSlider (and the others too of course) ! I'll seriously think about it. However scanning through 15 girls, would probably mean staying longer than 1 week there, right?

    P.S. I already met the girl and had 3 booking with her, for a total of 750 e, that's why I felt compelled of not giving a price too low. In my head I thought along the lines of: she's probably a bit used to Paris's rate, but probably no one in Ukraine will pay that much either so there is good chances she says yes (because that would be roughly equivalent to 6 overnight in France minus the cut from her pimp here, so I thought based on the rate in Paris that's a fair price).

    When you're proposing me of searching for several girls, are you talking about independents escorts? Or also girls in what you guys called "apartments"?

    Also a bit curious about you: What do you when chasing yours civilians in Kiev, do you also propose monetary compensation to accelerate the process, or is there no money involved? (I mean, you talked about a civilian balrinna at some point in your posts).

    Also a bit curious about this sentence: "The first one used to be an hourly girl with certain aspirations, then I was able to extract her for dedicated personal use". Could you please tell me how you went about it, if you don't mind (If you don't want to say it here, I can pay a subscription and we can discuss by MP) ? To be a bit more transparent, the whole reason why I wanted to do 1 whole week with this girl is probably because of this idea of "dedicated personal use "exclusiveness."

    The object of my admiration, as you say, is for me a solid 8.5, perhaps 9 (I mean purely in terms of physical attractiveness, which is so far, given my short 2 month career, my only criteria for choosing an escort). In childish way of saying this, a 8.5 would be roughly the prettiest girl in a class 20-25 girls (just recall your old days at uni, hehe). Would that be easy to find someone like that again? I'm not really sure of what to expect about what I can find on my own there in a limited amount of time.

    Truth to be told I'm a bit worried about the number of fakes on website such as https://relaxkiev.com or https://keksik.net or ukrgo. (I mean if there were no fakes, obviously I would not be worried about not finding easily someone fitting my criteria).

    Would you know from your experience roughly how many fakes there are in % on sites like those? If there are lot, is it common to ask for photos or video chats prior meeting? Or should I just meet right away and turn tail if the girl is not what I want to see?

  14. #21866
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringudor  [View Original Post]
    I have been to Kiev 2 month ago, I enjoyed my time in that massage place: https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/.
    Tell us details about the service and the costs. Thanks.

  15. #21865

    Kiev advice needed

    I am going to Kiev next week. I've been checking Minuet and SexKiev.net and talked to a few brothel agents via Whatsapp as well.

    There's a lot of them around a 3 km radius near my hotel.

    The prices are 2000-4000 depending on girl.

    Wondering is this legit? Are these sites / agents real? Real brothels? What's the best site?

    I don't mind paying more for quality experiences.

    Are there any wellness clubs? With spa? Sauna? Jacuzzi where you can take a girl into theses places?

    Thanks!

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