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  1. #22008
    Quote Originally Posted by FilthyBeaver  [View Original Post]
    ...With all due respect, if they're not coming back to you after tipping and knowing you're interested there's something wrong with your game...
    That's precisely why I was double- even tripple-booked with Kiev beauties at times.

    I tried many venues in Kiev, including Arena City, Mint and Star Rhinoceros before 2011, later on Rio and Scarlett, checking out apartments in person, using show around services, etc. Many years ago I stopped going to any clubs, and all so called night life. It always existed, and still is great, one just needs to love the city, and stop spewing vitriol. Any suspicion, any feelings of "Kiev sucks, Kiev is not the way it used to be", and it'll pay back with the same harsh attitude. Life is what we make of it. One can be a miserable trolling schmuck, or create a paradise on earth.

    FilthyBeaver stated it perfectly. Look in the mirror. Kiev is fine. And yes, newbie girls can be discovered even in strip clubs, but the GFE is found much easier outside of the "night life". Show around wingman is a good idea, I used a lovely girl guide in 2018, she knew everything, understood exactly what I wanted, and she never was perceived as a competition. I introduced her to my new acquaintances as HR manager in our corporation. She had lots of fun watching the game unfolding before her eyes.

    YMMV. Many visitors successfully use mamba, tinder and other platforms. For many years I personally had the best success though with hourly girls delivered to my apartment. Including those sourced from Darling club. No less than 1 out of 10 met with me again later, cutting out the middleman. Some of them became my regulars. That's unlikely to work out for a 5-10 days visitor. 3 weeks IMHO is a minimum. Passing for a local is a huge plus. Visiting Kiev regularly is a must to gain trust and enjoy the pleasures of repeat encounters and longer stays.

    Here the caveat though: Classy Ukrainian female would not simply give the visitor her phone number for nothing. And after that to expect her response on Viber or Telegram, and then for showing up on a real date outside of her work, she would want a bit more than a mere transaction, a flushed used condom, and money in the pocket of her pimp. She wants attention, to feel special, to sense an unspoken promise that her life would change for the better.

    Can it be done two years into pandemy? Yep. Guaranteed? No fucking way! It'll be much more difficult than 13 years ago during River Palace era, and more expensive than in 2018 when I had a gorgeous student in my bed at 7 am swinging by for an intense orgasm before her classes at the University 3 blocks away. Just imagine 1 m80 tall impeccable beauty passionately exclaiming:

    - Thank you! That's exactly what I needed today!

    And me thinking:

    - Well, thank you too.

    Having said the above, I know more than 5 gentlemen, that instead of arguing here on Forum, are currently in Kiev, and they are not able to accommodate all the qualified female candidates. Guys are having mind altering experiences with very accommodating exquisite young ladies! $200-300 per few hours frequently transforming into overnight, because lady decided to stay. And hopefully there's no overlap with incoming one arriving soon.

    What if you are a short term visitor? First time visitor? Well, you can still try your luck, and chances are not zero, but definitely substantially lower. Money may help to some degree, but doesn't ensure or guarantee much. And if you fail, don't blame Kiev. Perhaps your expectations weren't set properly, or you are not qualified to be successful in Ukraine.

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  2. #22007
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbyMan6969  [View Original Post]
    This is a report from September when I visited for 2 weeks.

    1. Nightclub scene to pick up women was mostly non-existent as clubs were either closed for good because of covid. There were some bars open, however; they were lame like you had to know some secret password or have a Russian speaking friend bring you in.

    I was hoping to go to some nightclubs to see the higher end working girls, however; I found out most were closed down for good. I did try Caribbean club a few nights, however; it was more horrible than what I remembered. Mostly older women and didn't see much to choose from. I did not pick up any women here, in the past I have picked up some women.

    2. I thought I would text relax-Kiev girls to see if they would come to my airbnb, I kept getting responses from an "operator" saying the girls weren't available and they kept texting me pictures of girls that were not my type. So this was a bust.

    3. I tried seeking.com ahead of time to meet girls from there, I had 2-3 that said they would meet. When it came down to crunch time they all ghosted me, another bust.

    4. I walked by after 9 pm around kreschatyk street to see if there were people advertising apartments to go to, some gave me their whatsapp and texted me pics of girls that didn't meet my criteria. I did see girls sitting down on park benches that looked like they were "working", however; they weren't that hot.

    5. I tried texting old numbers of girls I mongered with before and some I met from some dating sites. The girls from the dating sites all said they were on vacation. 1 girl I kept in touch with that used to work at rio (she longer works as a stripper), met me 2 times and she and I had a great time. Her English was a lot better as well.
    So Sad, but true. I disagree slightly it has like this for years. Sept. Is suppose to be one of the best times of the year in Kiev.

  3. #22006

    Depends on the goal

    I'm going to keep money out of this as best I can. You can't complain about the lack of venues, that's covid not Kiev. I don't personally think 2 weeks is enough to get a legitimate GFE girl that just wants you for you. A pro needs to be considered after all the blue balling from regular girls. After being here several times since covid I've found that just about everyone under 30 speaks passable English unless they're from the farm. If they "don't" they're not interested so move on. With 2 weeks IMHO the best option for a sure thing is the strip clubs. They're expensive relative to just about everything else but the house needs to get a cut as it's got tons of overhead. You are correct they are in major trouble if they give numbers or see you outside but it is possible. Met one girl with major chemistry. After explaining she couldn't see me outside of work because she'll get a 10 k fine and / or fired, she was back in my hotel an hour after getting off work and wouldn't take a dime but I crammed some money in her purse when she went to the bathroom she didn't leave until 5 pm that night due to a nail appointment with best friend set days earlier. Obviously things went well so I came back several months later, she traded days off with a friend and arranged her schedule at work so we could skip town for 4 days and had an absolute blast. I paid her what I would gave given the club so she got it all rather than half but I didn't pay the 1 k 24 HR fee. Just the standard overnight fee.

    One more piece of advice. There is an app called show around. Lots of helpful guys offering some hand holding and negotiations. Worth every penny IMHO. I'll call my guy just to hang out even though I know where I'm going and what I want. He's a fun wingman and I enjoy his company when I'm mongering.

    With all due respect, if they're not coming back to you after tipping and knowing you're interested there's something wrong with your game. They're there to make money so unless they're offended somehow there's no reason why they wouldn't at least let you buy them an overpriced drink or two. I'll be in princess one or two nights this week as a backup plan to a couple sa girls I mined before I left home I've already met them both once but if the deal doesn't close I'll go straight to princess likely after 8 or 9 and gone by midnight. I never smile and drink jack Daniel's and coke. I'll give you some honest feedback if you want to approach me.

    And BTW, I'm not particularly attractive or unattractive. I have found out that I'm fairly charming (feedback from them, not my ego) and I can make them laugh so that's what's working for me. And I do have money to do what I want. That doesn't hurt either as I don't need to waste my time on luck and prayers.

    Quote Originally Posted by HobbyMan6969  [View Original Post]
    This is a report from September when I visited for 2 weeks.

    1. Nightclub scene to pick up women was mostly non-existent as clubs were either closed for good because of covid. There were some bars open, however; they were lame like you had to know some secret password or have a Russian speaking friend bring you in.

    I was hoping to go to some nightclubs to see the higher end working girls, however; I found out most were closed down for good. I did try Caribbean club a few nights, however; it was more horrible than what I remembered. Mostly older women and didn't see much to choose from. I did not pick up any women here, in the past I have picked up some women..

  4. #22005
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbyMan6969  [View Original Post]
    . Is Belarus or Latvia a better option at this point?
    In my opinion they are mucho worse.

  5. #22004
    Quote Originally Posted by DramaFree11  [View Original Post]
    Mister,

    You and I are living in the future. Some of the other guys are portraying a Kiev that does not exist. Sorry it just does not. There are girls, but most are very young and have little to no interest in older Foreign Guys.

    Too travel long distances to not have girlfriend experience makes no sense.

    You are correct there is zero nightlife. I remember most nights, with the exception of Friday the city would be empty at 10 pm. Even Friday nights the clubs would be horrible. I remember many nights were there would be a ratio of 15 guys to one girl. Those are impossible odds.

    Sumner is a little different, but many leave the city for the beaches and villages. Sorry, Guys claiming see. Club is option are wrong. If you do not believe go check it out, you will be really disappointed.

    Again, the guys that post now, do a great job of describing the real Kiev. The truth is slowly coming out about Ukraine..
    Yes, my trip in September reflects this.

    Non-existent nightlife, lower quality looking girls, and weeknights and weekends were barely any people out at night.

  6. #22003

    Report from September visit

    This is a report from September when I visited for 2 weeks.

    1. Nightclub scene to pick up women was mostly non-existent as clubs were either closed for good because of covid. There were some bars open, however; they were lame like you had to know some secret password or have a Russian speaking friend bring you in.

    I was hoping to go to some nightclubs to see the higher end working girls, however; I found out most were closed down for good. I did try Caribbean club a few nights, however; it was more horrible than what I remembered. Mostly older women and didn't see much to choose from. I did not pick up any women here, in the past I have picked up some women.

    2. I thought I would text relax-Kiev girls to see if they would come to my airbnb, I kept getting responses from an "operator" saying the girls weren't available and they kept texting me pictures of girls that were not my type. So this was a bust.

    3. I tried seeking.com ahead of time to meet girls from there, I had 2-3 that said they would meet. When it came down to crunch time they all ghosted me, another bust.

    4. I walked by after 9 pm around kreschatyk street to see if there were people advertising apartments to go to, some gave me their whatsapp and texted me pics of girls that didn't meet my criteria. I did see girls sitting down on park benches that looked like they were "working", however; they weren't that hot.

    5. I tried texting old numbers of girls I mongered with before and some I met from some dating sites. The girls from the dating sites all said they were on vacation. 1 girl I kept in touch with that used to work at rio (she longer works as a stripper), met me 2 times and she and I had a great time. Her English was a lot better as well.

    6. What I spent most of my time doing was going to strip clubs since the weather was cold or raining. Some strip clubs were horrible. Harem wanted around 200 euro just to get inside, they said it would pay for drinks. I passed on that. I checked out princess, it had some good looking girls. However, none approached me even after I over-tipped them on stage. Matter of fact they all went and gave dances to guys that never tipped them. I had a better time at Rio and tootsies which I ended up bringing girls back to my airbnb. The quality of strippers has dropped dramatically from my last 2 visits I had over the last 2 years. I would say they were 6-7 in looks now, some were around 5 in looks. Most spent the night with me because I took them home close to closing time, I enjoy this as I like to have GFE. There is some rule they can not give their numbers out, if they get caught they will be fired. I didn't get any numbers even when I asked.

    7. I walked around kreschatyk during the day to possibly get numbers from the college aged girls (18-25), this is where I beat myself on and that is Russian. Most did not know enough English for me to conversate with and I don't know enough Russian other than basic Russian to get by. I really need to hire a Russian speaking teacher to help me. Its great when you meet a girl that speaks fluent English, however; not all girls do.

    Was it a wasted trip? No, I still had fun though. However, it wasn't as great as my other trips I had in the past. Quality of girls weren't as a great as before, clubs / bars were closed down, some weeknights there were no people that stayed out late, and other 2 trips I got laid from normal girls / dates without having to monger. I love eastern European girls that are down to earth and I'm searching for a plan be place to go to that has nice quality girls / modestly priced mongering / possibly real dates. With this new covid strain out it sucks trying to travel again from USA to Europe. Is Belarus or Latvia a better option at this point?

  7. #22002
    Yesterday was to stripclub nosorog in maksima krivonosa, full of people, about 30 guys, funny erotic shows o stage, girls are not amazing, but also not bad, is nitot my favorite, but I can go from time to time.

  8. #22001
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringudor  [View Original Post]
    I never was before in topless massage, then I decided to try today, maybe I'm used to warm personality of Latinas, but I really find exasperating behavior of most of Ukrainian masseuses, behave as a robot, I used to have better experiences in past with warm Ukrainian beauties, now I find just pretty girls who do their job in a mechanical way.
    Sorry to hear your bad experience bro, mine was petty passionate erotic for 1.5 hours, just bad luck.

  9. #22000
    I never was before in topless massage, then I decided to try today, maybe I'm used to warm personality of Latinas, but I really find exasperating behavior of most of Ukrainian masseuses, behave as a robot, I used to have better experiences in past with warm Ukrainian beauties, now I find just pretty girls who do their job in a mechanical way.

  10. #21999
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringudor  [View Original Post]
    I'm looking now website from topless massage. Do you remember name of pretty one?
    Sorry can't remember. You can WhatsApp them but their pictures are nothing related to the girls available.

  11. #21998
    Quote Originally Posted by Senecio  [View Original Post]
    I went to topless massage. 4 girls came out, one really pretty face but no titties and three 6 / 7. Went for a pretty face short girl and got a very intense session. Went to an escort takeout today and finally got a good one.
    I'm looking now website from topless massage. Do you remember name of pretty one?

  12. #21997
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringudor  [View Original Post]
    I was to red light massage, madam a bit rude, talks in a typical Ukrainian (bad) way, I see 4 ladies, 3 of them really pretty (9 out of 10) the other one was a 6, I took that last one, because the hot ones had a terrible disgusting face, I really cannot understand that behavior, totally the opposite from south American women, who treat you as a friend of all the life from the first moment.

    Massage was not the best of my life, but ok, not bad at all.

    What massage place it was?
    I went to topless massage. 4 girls came out, one really pretty face but no titties and three 6 / 7. Went for a pretty face short girl and got a very intense session. Went to an escort takeout today and finally got a good one.

  13. #21996
    Yesterday was to mint nosorog, very good feeling there and funny time, Friday will try the stripclub nosorog from maksima krivonosa, if someone wants to join, just text me.

  14. #21995
    I was to red light massage, madam a bit rude, talks in a typical Ukrainian (bad) way, I see 4 ladies, 3 of them really pretty (9 out of 10) the other one was a 6, I took that last one, because the hot ones had a terrible disgusting face, I really cannot understand that behavior, totally the opposite from south American women, who treat you as a friend of all the life from the first moment.

    Massage was not the best of my life, but ok, not bad at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Senecio  [View Original Post]
    Yeah didn't go for a membership. Just went to a erotic massage it was great. Essentially mutual masturbation and had a fun 1.5 hours.

    I realized all relaxkiev agents are out call nowadays, which make sense because of the weather.
    What massage place it was?

  15. #21994
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringudor  [View Original Post]
    A pity, you cannot receive MP.
    Yeah didn't go for a membership. Just went to a erotic massage it was great. Essentially mutual masturbation and had a fun 1.5 hours.

    I realized all relaxkiev agents are out call nowadays, which make sense because of the weather.

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