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  1. #19413

    Improving Lives

    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoSlider  [View Original Post]
    As Riina said, girl has to believe that her life can be changed for the better by being with you. Then she may decide to be nice. Open market philosophy.
    I was reading political commentary during the election and nobody could explain why a clown was so far ahead in the poles. They would just point to the usual suspects of populism and corruption. Someone finally made a clear statement today that despite the president's achievements, it did nothing to improve the lives of Ukrainians. Basically the same mentality of girls looking for relationships. I think that writer heisted my comment. LOL.

    Great post Photoslider. I didn't want to repost the whole report again.

  2. #19412
    Quote Originally Posted by TinyHippo  [View Original Post]
    Thanks. I was having a bad day, but that is the most comical thing I have read all day.
    If I remember correctly, TinyHippo, you stayed in Kiev for six months over last Winter. Riina is a visiting veteran for many years. The two of you may have different circumstances, and therefore different outlook and impression of Kiev.

    As has been pointed out earlier, success in our common hobby often depend on the following factors:

    - Funds.

    - Length of stay.

    - Confidence, Behavior, Attitude.

    - Language.

    - Age and Appearance.

    Ultimately it is the ability to prove to the girl of interest that you are reliable. As a source of income first of all. As Riina said, girl has to believe that her life can be changed for the better by being with you. Then she may decide to be nice. Open market philosophy.

    As far as that ability, working remotely from Kiev, and staying much longer without the need to use up precious Western corporate vacation days, helped to strengthen my circle of reliable girls in the last 3-5 years significantly.

    I am not 30 something. My funds are limited within the reason, but they are adequate. Yet for the last 3-5 years I am getting happier with every new visit, as building and improving that harem of go-to girls reduced volatility typically experienced by short term visitors.

    The last somewhat disappointing visit for me was 2011, after River Palace was towed away. I stayed at the hotel for 2 days and had a total of 3 girls. One was retail cashier register girl, and simply mediocre. One was tall, full-bodied but not overweight. She didn't want to kiss at first, but then warmed up, and passionately asked to extend for another hour when I was about to suggest it myself. We almost extended one more time. And the third girl was non-stop cheer-leader that alternated me and my friend in the bedroom next to the sauna. She was electrifying, with every next round being better than the previous!

    Why do I say that that 2011 visit was disappointing? Because in 2 days I only had 3 girls: one great, one very much fuckable, and one going through the motions. I stayed at the hotel, instead of my own apartment. Visit was short. I didn't have reliable base of contacts, and therefore was vulnerable at the hands of the agency I called. Viber-like messengers didn't exist. Same for exclusive closed agencies catering young students to well seasoned travelers, as they do nowadays. Those didn't exist in 2011. I also visited Star Rhinoceros strip club, and as exciting as it was, touching girls everywhere and sucking on their nipples, in the hindsight, I would say that money could have been spent much better elsewhere.

    The fact that some of us on the Forum did not have much luck in the last few years in Kiev could be for the reasons explained above, as well as purely because of personality problems of the mongers themselves.

    - Having doubts in Kiev.

    - Communication issues while ordering and consuming.

    - Unrealistic expectations.

    Girls in any country can sense when they are mistrusted or disrespected, when the customer is nervous or not confident.

    It takes few longer visits to crack and understand how the system works.

    Thinking that Kiev owes you something, that newbie can ask on the Forum, fly in, and be served high quality entertainment easily, is an illusion, leading to the usual complaints about cheaters and scammers. Surely those are present, but the same girl that extorted money through deception from one gentlemen while leaving him disheartened, in the right hands may turn into the pinnacle of the visit.

    Our perception of Kiev changes over years. Same with Ukrainian girls behavior and objectives on the other side of the barricades.

    And one more thing, Forum members exchange reliable contacts via PM behind the scenes. Posting girls numbers or URLs for everybody to see is rare these days for obvious reasons. Giving out valuable info even via PM to a person that never posted a report, and has nothing to offer, is unlikely to happen. Information exchange is a two way street, and unfortunately some of the new visitors have to go through the proverbial bumps and bruises of their own before gaining sufficient experience. Sharp ones learn, eventually enjoy, and go for many returns.

    To be continued.

  3. #19411
    Quote Originally Posted by Riina  [View Original Post]
    I think I truly understand why semi pros are so hard to find now in Kiev. The city has become a magnet for thirty something Western guys. I keep seeing countless profiles of these supposed tech founders on FB. Essentially frauds looking for girlfriends under a guise of tech work. If these dudes meet the quality semi pros that I had met pre crisis, they would surely shove cash in their pockets to lock them up. Hard for a grown up man to compete against these young bastards.
    Thanks. I was having a bad day, but that is the most comical thing I have read all day.

  4. #19410
    Quote Originally Posted by Riina  [View Original Post]
    I think I truly understand why semi pros are so hard to find now in Kiev. The city has become a magnet for thirty something Western guys. I keep seeing countless profiles of these supposed tech founders on FB. Essentially frauds looking for girlfriends under a guise of tech work. If these dudes meet the quality semi pros that I had met pre crisis, they would surely shove cash in their pockets to lock them up. Hard for a grown up man to compete against these young bastards.
    Correct, this is what I have been saying for the last 2 years.

    Reason for this:

    1. Computer.

    2. Western moving to a Kiev, but that would get old real fast. The city is nice, but the rest is marginal.

    3. Girls moving, to other country for better opportunities.

  5. #19409

    Death of The Semi Pro.

    I think I truly understand why semi pros are so hard to find now in Kiev. The city has become a magnet for thirty something Western guys. I keep seeing countless profiles of these supposed tech founders on FB. Essentially frauds looking for girlfriends under a guise of tech work. If these dudes meet the quality semi pros that I had met pre crisis, they would surely shove cash in their pockets to lock them up. Hard for a grown up man to compete against these young bastards.

  6. #19408
    Is BBFS for 1500 UAH reasonable in Kiev? That's what I pay in Pattaya.

    Quote Originally Posted by Limarian  [View Original Post]
    the PT141
    How does someone get that?

  7. #19407
    Quote Originally Posted by Riina  [View Original Post]
    I've been noticing a rise in thirty something trust fund babies moving to Kiev. Good Western women are too smart to hook up with them. So white and poor pussies with good manners have become option one. These are the guys that mess up this thread. They're not really into prostitutes and just want to live in their illusion about Kiev.
    There was a similar phenomenon in former Soviet Union, called "Golden Youth". Children of wealthy parents, next generation that has no purpose in life.

    To a certain degree thread is messed up even without the trust fund babies. My hope is that there will be more meaningful informative reports between now and September / October.

  8. #19406

    Trust Fund Babies.

    I've been noticing a rise in thirty something trust fund babies moving to Kiev. Good Western women are too smart to hook up with them. So white and poor pussies with good manners have become option one. These are the guys that mess up this thread. They're not really into prostitutes and just want to live in their illusion about Kiev.

  9. #19405

    A great city.

    I absolutely agree. It is the best part of vacationing in Kiev. Yes, reasonably priced sex with gorgeous women is great, but you can only have sex so many times in a day. The part I love the most is stepping out of my apartment int o the street, and immediately seeing half a dozen gorgeous women in short skirt, high heels, and elegant dresses. Contrast that with North America, where women are fat and the dress like slobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tomek123  [View Original Post]
    Yes. It will be a magnificent sight. A real feast for the eyes. The streets of Kiev will turn into a magnificent garden.

  10. #19404

    The streets of Kiev will turn into a magnificent garden.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargano19  [View Original Post]
    Awesome, I am going to Berlin for some work next month, maybe I'll take a detour to Kiev after.
    Yes. It will be a magnificent sight. A real feast for the eyes. The streets of Kiev will turn into a magnificent garden.
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  11. #19403
    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoSlider  [View Original Post]
    Two more weeks, maybe even less, and young girls in revealing outfits will be everywhere in Kiev!
    Awesome, I am going to Berlin for some work next month, maybe I'll take a detour to Kiev after.

  12. #19402
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomek123  [View Original Post]
    Can you describe your feelings and impressions of Western women in a little more detail and compare these women with Ukrainian ones? My experience of communication and sex with Western women (Western Europe and the USA) is very small. My friend lived for a while in the United States and said.

    That white American women did not impress him. They talk a lot. They constantly boast of their career successes. Education. Success in karate and aikido. And bla-bla-bla. It's just that our friend did not quite understand my term,submissive, I did not mean intimidation and mental slavery. I meant less arrogant behaviors. I meant less arrogant models of behavior of Ukrainian ladies. I did not mean that they are submissive. Of course this is not quite so. I meant that they are more submissive than western ladies from feminized countries. Rich countries.
    Tomek,

    I believe we are much closer in our appreciation of Ukrainian girls and rejection of American women than it seems on the surface.

    To reiterate, there is a huge difference between a young woman being feminist and feminine. My impression we all very much prefer the latter over former.

    Pure submissive is also possible in Ukraine, and enjoyable to a degree. I get tired of it quickly and switch to a different girl.

    Characterizing Western women, as you propose, is not really a subject matter for this Forum. Why should we? There are good women in US, just like in any large country, but they are practically impossible to find and meet. Hopefully we will not digress.

    What we need here is more field reports instead of building theories like I do. Two more weeks, maybe even less, and young girls in revealing outfits will be everywhere in Kiev!

  13. #19401
    Quote Originally Posted by Gargano19  [View Original Post]
    Agreed.

    From 'submissive' I didn't mean, she will do as you say. It's more like she is less 'arrogant'.

    Though I am not an expert on mongering in Kiev, and have visited Kiev and States for couple of weeks only, but I clearly enjoyed the company of Ukrainian girls more.

    Could be preference though.
    Glad we agree to a certain extent.

    I also like the word "accommodating". Nothing describes a nice Ukrainian girl better, when without any words she guesses her man's desires and takes her own pleasure in fulfilling those.

    Spectrum of attitudes is rather wide in both countries: Ukraine and US. Riina found an outlet with unspoiled fresh Ukrainian beauties in Chicago. But there are distinctive tendencies, and I myself, just as you said, "clearly enjoy the company of Ukrainian girls more".

  14. #19400

    I did not mean intimidation and mental slavery.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargano19  [View Original Post]
    Agreed.

    From 'submissive' I didn't mean, she will do as you say. It's more like she is less 'arrogant'.

    Though I am not an expert on mongering in Kiev, and have visited Kiev and States for couple of weeks only, but I clearly enjoyed the company of Ukrainian girls more.

    Could be preference though.
    Can you describe your feelings and impressions of Western women in a little more detail and compare these women with Ukrainian ones? My experience of communication and sex with Western women (Western Europe and the USA) is very small. My friend lived for a while in the United States and said.

    That white American women did not impress him. They talk a lot. They constantly boast of their career successes. Education. Success in karate and aikido. And bla-bla-bla. It's just that our friend did not quite understand my term,submissive, I did not mean intimidation and mental slavery. I meant less arrogant behaviors. I meant less arrogant models of behavior of Ukrainian ladies. I did not mean that they are submissive. Of course this is not quite so. I meant that they are more submissive than western ladies from feminized countries. Rich countries.

  15. #19399
    Quote Originally Posted by PhotoSlider  [View Original Post]
    Submissive Ukrainian girls? You are day-dreaming, guys!

    Yes, they exist, and with rare exceptions they want money for being submissive. Their submission is usually delivered in well measured, clock-watched chunks with price tag attached. Kiss on your cheek and she is out of the door. If you played your cards smart there will be pleasant aftertaste and sweet memories.

    Nothing against your preferences, but I value exactly the opposite in Ukrainian girls. For an hourly girl, or GIA-KEC employee, or a masseuse, or a lady working at haircut salon, or a student in a street, to be considered a candidate for LTR, she has to be strong and up to a degree self-sufficient. I am not talking about arrogant obnoxious sharks, far from that. I am talking about intelligent young ladies, capable of standing their ground in a deep conversation or even a civilized argument. Making love to those satisfies at a much higher level. A human being is respected, not a receptacle for sperm.

    Even poor Brazilian girls are proud and know how to say "no". Winning over their short attention span is major fun.

    Western women do not scare me, because I am not attracted to them and simply ignore, curtailing any chance for interaction.

    There is a huge difference between submissive and feminine. IMO the latter is the major distinction between Ukrainian and Western. Just like there is a distinction between being feminine and feminist.
    Agreed.

    From 'submissive' I didn't mean, she will do as you say. It's more like she is less 'arrogant'.

    Though I am not an expert on mongering in Kiev, and have visited Kiev and States for couple of weeks only, but I clearly enjoyed the company of Ukrainian girls more.

    Could be preference though.

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