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  1. #8122
    Quote Originally Posted by JimboCojones  [View Original Post]
    No, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.
    So as discussed, could you share some names and locations of these places?

    $10 + circa $50 in a big complex with saunas and baths doesn't sound like too bad a deal.

  2. #8121
    Quote Originally Posted by MeoDen  [View Original Post]
    I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

    They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

    I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

    Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

    The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

    Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

    Where is the ghost of Noktang?

    I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

    Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2w
    No, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.

  3. #8120
    Quote Originally Posted by JimboCojones  [View Original Post]
    Sure we can exchange some information.

    Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

    They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.
    I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

    They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

    I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

    Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

    The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

    Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

    Where is the ghost of Noktang?

    I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

    Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2w
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails link.JPG‎  

  4. #8119
    Quote Originally Posted by MeoDen  [View Original Post]
    The hostess bars in 2002 ?

    I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?
    The term "Hostess Bars" merely refers to the girly bars you will find on several side streets off the riverside (Preah Sisowath Quay) like 104st, 130st, and 136st. They are small bars usually with 5 to 25 girls. Just walk down these side streets after 8:30 pm and you will find lots of friendly faces. It is entertaining.

    Back in 2002 my favorite Hostess Bar was Rose Bar on 104st. I had many good times in there. I think Rose Bar is still open. Check it out as well as the other bars on the above mentioned side streets. Lineups change week to week, month to month, so I have no idea which bars have the prettiest girls right now. You just have to go there and find out. The set up is a little like Soi 6 in Pattaya only Phnom Penh hostess bar girls are for take out except the buy me drink only hostess girls which we have been talking about recently and are generally a waste of time and money.

    I remember back in 2015 I met this very sexy girl in Oasis Bar on 136st. I spent a lot of time with her and tried every thing I knew, applied all my charm and game, to get her to go to my hotel with me on several nights and all I got from her was a lot of in bar DFK, dirty dancing, tittie palming, under the table mutual groping & dick massages, and a large bar tab, 555, but she never let me shag her. But I still love her. Ha Ha Ha. The lesson I learned: don't waste a lot of time or money on buy me drink only hostess girls no matter how sexy cute they are.

  5. #8118
    Quote Originally Posted by MeoDen  [View Original Post]
    I'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

    Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

    If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.
    Sure we can exchange some information.

    Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

    They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.

    They send a few girls into the room and you can choose from them. Like the soapys in Bangkok they have bath tubs so the girl will wash you first. I know of 2 of these places but I'm sure there are more. The girls are from VN and seem to be in their early 20's. Fun experience but with my budget it's nothing I can do too often. I used to go to Massa quite often where I paid $10 for the massage and usually 30-40 bucks to the girl. Unfortunately they closed that place during the pandemic. There were also a few similar places in hotels, found the addresses online, but these didn't seem to survive COVID either. Cyrcee is usually fun but last time I went in the talent was not there. I'the like to support the guy though, as I like his business model.

  6. #8117
    Quote Originally Posted by JimboCojones  [View Original Post]
    What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothels
    I'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

    Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

    If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.

  7. #8116
    Quote Originally Posted by RakSopheni  [View Original Post]
    I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

    Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

    What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

    But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for...
    Sad to hear that you had such a bad experience. I do understand your troubles though, it is very annoying when the girl suddenly is starting to act up when you're trying to take her out of the bar. That has still only happened 4-5 times to me which might be 25% of the times I've tried to take a girl out of the bar.

    So while it can be very tricky at times, I don't think telling people to stay away from Phnom Penh is fair. There is plenty of sex to be had but it's just a bit different than Thailand and The Philippines. You can always ask the other staff in the bar as well which of the girls would like to go. They're not shy to help a friend out. VIP rooms can be a lot of fun as well if you have some cash to splurge. That does require some connections though which is not easy to find.

    What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothels. It takes a while to figure out what is what. Prices are also all over the place when you're a foreigner. But I try not to exceed the fees I would pay in Thailand for similar services.

  8. #8115
    Quote Originally Posted by AxelHeyst  [View Original Post]

    The Phnom Penh hostess bars and hostess girls were a super lot of fun back then in 2002 too. In fact, at the time I kind of preferred Phnom Penh over BKK or Pattaya even though it was never point and shoot place like Thailand.
    The hostess bars in 2002 ?

    I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?

  9. #8114
    Quote Originally Posted by Muzungufotsy  [View Original Post]
    Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good.
    I just spent a week in Cambodia after a month in Thailand and came to the opposite conclusion. What do people say is better about Cambodia, I just can't see it no matter how hard I look and ask? Conversely I had a great time in Thailand and am having a great time on Philippines, getting more sex in 24 hours here in Angeles than 1 week in PP.

    RS.

  10. #8113

    They're all great

    Quote Originally Posted by Muzungufotsy  [View Original Post]
    So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

    Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.
    The only reason I'm down on SR at the moment is because it's so heavily tourist dependent, and the recent re-opening hasn't brought back the tourists yet. There's 20 touts waiting to pounce on every tourist and it's extremely annoying. I'm sure in another six months (or whatever post-covid recovery actually takes) it'll be back to good times.

    As to the 15/20 years ago thing: I take all that with a huge grain of salt. If I've learned anything about my fellow expats it's that anyone that's been here a week longer than you will regale you endlessly about how great it was back in the good old days. I only care about right now, and right now both Thailand and Cambodia are pretty damned good.

  11. #8112
    Quote Originally Posted by Chop  [View Original Post]
    I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

    By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.
    So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

    Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.

  12. #8111

    Some Final Thoughts

    Quote Originally Posted by SamSanuk  [View Original Post]
    I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. .
    Hi Sam, I really appreciate your thoughtful, supportive and polite manner despite our obvious disagreement on the subject. Many people would've lashed out with ad hominems and I will be the first to admit that my writing on this subject has been suffused with more than a little bit of blubbering self-pity and hyperbole. You make some excellent points and I'm sure many people have had and will have a great time in the scene here. I myself did 3 years ago but in hindsight I think I just got really lucky. On any given night, there does indeed exist the possibility, if not probability to score.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamSanuk  [View Original Post]
    Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

    There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.
    Funnily enough I recently had a conversation with the admin of one of these groups if not this very one on FB messenger and he said something that resonated with me- that at any given bar there are only 1-2 girls available for "take-away". This is the crucial point here and maybe not as you suggest something amiss with my presentation which I'm sure is acceptable.

    I think there is a taxonomic difference between Hostess Bars and H**ker Bars that should be articulated and is the crux of the matter. In a Hostess Bar, as you will find in Phnom Penh, the emphasis is on companionship and entertaining the men, not on creating a brothel / bordello vibe where the girls are de facto available for sex. Yes, some of them are, and the possibility does exist, but the main purpose seems to be something else entirely. This is purely speculative, but I feel like it relates to the Asian practice more broadly of creating after work or vacation environments for business men to relax and socialize in the company of women. As such it is a social, group activity and not a lone pursuit of sexual gratification. This seems to be the case in Phnom Penh.

    A H**ker Bar or Girly Bar as they are called in Thailand and Philippines is entirely different. Sure, some of the girls are not available for "take away" and they always have the right of refusal, but generally rather than refusing out right they will give you a very high price or otherwise look unenthusiastic and pined about it. They know that the expectation is there for them to go with men-it is the rule rather than the exception. Sure many men in Thailand will enjoy the company of women in a slow, non sexual manner similar to the Hostess Bar of Phnom Penh, but in places like Soi 6, and Soi Pothole, the overwhelming emphasis is on taking girls for sex. These places would go out of business immediately if only 1-2 of the 10 or so girls were available for you to enjoy carnally. A full 75% of Thailand red-light district business would vanish if this were the case.

    I would speculate that attitude difference comes in part from the fact that Thai culture, Isaan specifically, is Matrilineal or Matriarchal and there is an enormous expectation on these ladies to provide for their families and send money back to their mothers, who encourage them to go into the business and probably were once part of it. Every single Thai working girl I have known exists in such a dynamic, where she sends money to her mother who is taking care of her child and as such they can't always afford just to sip drinks and laugh at farang jokes as they get groped. I doubt the Khmer dynamic is significantly divergent, but there seems to be a cultural difference here with more of a Patriarchal dynamic and more socially conservative attitudes. A girl working at a Hostess Bar can claim truthfully to a potential suitor that she is still a Virgin- as many of them are.

    I would recommend Phnom Penh for a more sensitive and less sex crazed monger perhaps in the 55-65 age range. The slow approach and less emphasis on a fast track to boom boom will probably be more enjoyable for this type of guy, and as you say Sam, the prices for this type of past-time here are not bad at all. However, looking at Numbeo a comparison of Pattaya and Phnom Penh does reveal a significant (25-45%) savings in cost of living in Pattaya.

    https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-livin...ia&city2=Phnom+Penh.

    Thanks for this board for reading my reportage, which in the cold light of day sometimes veers into self-pitying blather. I hope it has been useful for someone. I wish I had known before what I know now. I had an amazing experience here 3 years ago but am now thinking it was a lucky convergence more than anything. I doubt I will return to Phnom Penh, but for many people this is the ideal location and for those that enjoy it, I will not besmirch you your pleasures.

    RS.

  13. #8110

    So sorry

    I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

    By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.

  14. #8109

    Condolences Extended

    Quote Originally Posted by RakSopheni  [View Original Post]
    I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
    Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

    RS.
    Quote Originally Posted by RakSopheni  [View Original Post]
    I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
    Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way..
    I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1.50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

    I'm thinking a bit more research on your part might make your next visit, if any, more pleasurable.

    Sam.

  15. #8108

    Condolences Extended

    Quote Originally Posted by RakSopheni  [View Original Post]
    I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
    Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines..
    I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

    There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.

    Sam.

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