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  1. #15383
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    No travel until 2031? That's a pretty dark forecast. LOL. A more likely prospect is that either the labs come up with a viable vaccine in the next 12 months or mother nature will do the job for us with herd immunity. I read a recent article in the Wall Street Journal entitled "Herd Immunity May Be Closer Than You Think: Antibody tests could significantly underestimate the number of novel coronavirus infections. " Take a look.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-im...nk-11594076237
    But there is also this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53315983. I tend to think a vaccine is the only near-term (meaning in the next year or so) solution to this. Herd immunity would be great (other than the number of deaths and permanent health problems necessary to get there) but for a number of reasons it doesn't seem very likely to me we will get there.

    Edit: I see the link isn't working at least from my computer. But if you cut and paste it into a browser it should work.

  2. #15382

    Input from some locals please

    Hey guys,

    I relocated to Jakarta about a month ago (got in on a repatriation flight with a freshly processed KITAS). It seems like some things are starting to open up, wondering if anyone has any tips on where to get a short time after work in south Jakarta?

    Any wisdom anyone can share?

  3. #15381

    Tourist Visa

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    I am talking about 3 months from now. Not today. Flights are actually open now if you have a KITAS. They aren't allowing tourist visas yet.
    Smoothy,

    Just our of curiosity, how expats are managing visa run if they are not allowed back in on a tourist visa? I was talking to a Dutch friend, apparently there is some sort of Govt service in Jakarta where they are extending their Tourist Visa!

  4. #15380
    Quote Originally Posted by Marky1  [View Original Post]
    That's more like it.
    No travel until 2031? That's a pretty dark forecast. LOL. A more likely prospect is that either the labs come up with a viable vaccine in the next 12 months or mother nature will do the job for us with herd immunity. I read a recent article in the Wall Street Journal entitled "Herd Immunity May Be Closer Than You Think: Antibody tests could significantly underestimate the number of novel coronavirus infections. " Take a look.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-im...nk-11594076237

  5. #15379
    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMongrel  [View Original Post]
    Can't see any of us being able to travel in without there being a vaccine in place otherwise we are taking a huge risk. .............
    There are many countries with a much less infection rate than the US so I don't see the risk. Vietnam has had 369 infections and no deaths and Cambodia has had 141 infections and no deaths from covid-19 so I don't see the risk for Americans, though being allowed entry into those countries is a completely different issue.

  6. #15378
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]

    The good news is the incentives are strong, many high tech pharmaceutical companies worldwide are racing to be first to develop a viable vaccine, and there are signs that progress is being made ie serious Human trials are now underway. The bad news is from testing to production to world wide distribution, it is going to take TIME. That's why I opted for an Airline refund over a reschedule or an account credit. I plan to book a bigger & better trip as soon as I get the vaccine; whenever that is. Probably not until the end of the 1st quarter 2021. But we shall see.
    Can't see any of us being able to travel in without there being a vaccine in place otherwise we are taking a huge risk. I have multi-trip travel insurance, which currently covers me for COVID, but then at the minute I can't travel. Absolutley certain that when it comes to renewal COVID-19 will not be included in the cover. So I can either hope I catch it and recover (in a first world country) between now and borders re-open, I take the risk of catching it whilst travelling in the Big Durian (not really a good plan), or wait untill a vaccine is available. I can see it being at least another year before I step in Jakarta, unless I get sent there for work. So fingers are crossed for the work route, then I will have proper medical coverage.

  7. #15377
    Quote Originally Posted by NattyBumpo  [View Original Post]
    I plan to book a bigger & better trip as soon as I get the vaccine; whenever that is. Probably not until the end of the 1st quarter 2031. But we shall see.
    That's more like it.

  8. #15376
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    I am talking about 3 months from now. Not today. Flights are actually open now if you have a KITAS. They aren't allowing tourist visas yet.
    Well all I know is that the trans Pacific portion of my United Airlines flight to Singapore was cancelled the other day. Since early June I knew this mid August scheduled departure was not going to happen. United's announcement just made it official.

    On their website United gave me 3 choices: reschedule the flight for up to 5 months down the road, take a United account credit for the flight good for up to 2 years, or accept a full cc refund. I chose a full refund. So that's that. No trip for me and nothing scheduled until a vaccine is available. And today I cancelled all my hotel reservations and inter Asian flights. I am kind of blue now. It would have been a great trip. But I don't see any changes or improvement as far as international air travel is concerned in the next 6 months because it is going to take a vaccine break thru to change the current international status quo.

    The good news is the incentives are strong, many high tech pharmaceutical companies worldwide are racing to be first to develop a viable vaccine, and there are signs that progress is being made ie serious Human trials are now underway. The bad news is from testing to production to world wide distribution, it is going to take TIME. That's why I opted for an Airline refund over a reschedule or an account credit. I plan to book a bigger & better trip as soon as I get the vaccine; whenever that is. Probably not until the end of the 1st quarter 2021. But we shall see.

  9. #15375
    Quote Originally Posted by StephenK  [View Original Post]
    even if you were able to get a flight over, which you won't, many hotels aren't operating right now and most tourist locations, even the beaches are closed. Restaurants aren't operating, neither are the bars and its going to be a pretty lonely holiday with nobody else around.
    I am talking about 3 months from now. Not today. Flights are actually open now if you have a KITAS. They aren't allowing tourist visas yet.

  10. #15374
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    Want to bet?
    Are we going to bet your tickets to indo?

    America is gaining covid19 cases by 40 k per day, pretty much all other countries are starting to ramp up and increase in cases. The death rate is sort of at the same number each day, its just shifting numbers to different countries each month where its starting to significantly infect.

    You must understand that flights don't take off either unless the intention is that there will be enough ticket sales to completely fill that plane or overbook it IE; sell more than what the plane can hold. One of the key problems is, not only does every country want to stem the spread of the virus, but people don't have the confidence to travel. That lack of confidence would result in poor ticket sales leading to the flights to be eventually cancelled anyways. I've said in a previous thread, even if you were able to get a flight over, which you won't, many hotels aren't operating right now and most tourist locations, even the beaches are closed. Restaurants aren't operating, neither are the bars and its going to be a pretty lonely holiday with nobody else around.

  11. #15373
    Quote Originally Posted by Marky1  [View Original Post]
    LOL October. You'll be waiting longer than that.
    Want to bet?

  12. #15372
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    Maybe someone has some more updated information, but it looks like they won't allow any tourist visas until October. Seems a ridiculously long time to wait.
    LOL October. You'll be waiting longer than that.

    It's because of a global pandemic. Maybe you haven't heard.

  13. #15371
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    Maybe someone has some more updated information, but it looks like they won't allow any tourist visas until October. Seems a ridiculously long time to wait.
    It is indeed I can't wait to come to Indonesia again, on the other hand most places are closed now because of corona.

  14. #15370

    October

    Maybe someone has some more updated information, but it looks like they won't allow any tourist visas until October. Seems a ridiculously long time to wait.

  15. #15369
    Honestly the idea of travelling here solely to pursue the hobby is absolutely daft. Unless you have definite leads set up and it's all assured there is no point. Even then you will pretty much be confined to your hotel as nothing else is open, that's if, as has been pointed out below, you even get into the country in the first place.

    Give it a miss guys, write this place off for the next three months at least. Save your money at home watching p0 rn and check back in around September some time.

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