Jakarta

[Captain Solo]

Solid wisdom.

When in unfamiliar environment, trying to gain extra values above the norm will usually set yourself up for scams.

TGTBT deals usually require extra time and effort above mainstream practices and may bring security risks.

[Vendelo]

Don't compare Indonesia to Mexico this is complete non sense.

Experience in various cultures is highly valuable.

[Vendelo]

100% agree, not sure what others are ranting about.

If you went through all my posts you will know that it was my first time dealing with MiChat channel, it is not like there is a written script of what to do and how much to pay in a situation like that, so I used what I felt right in the moment of truth aka an uncomfortable situation in this case, and reading your comments now has made me realize that the situation could have been handled better, sometimes you learn from other's mistakes and sometimes your own, first is being prepared and second is experience. Lesson learnt and I will be better prepared next time should I choose to engage in another experimental channel.

I was not replying to you.

[NoGermaphobe]

Anyway, I am amazed that people go all the way across the world to a place where you can walk into a Brothel and choose from hundreds of girls and still choose to deal with this shit. And yet it exists.

I am not a big fan of the generation wars. And this post isn't meant to start one. But to help explain this. It has to be generational. A certain age group is so use to everything being online. That is what they know and are comfortable with, even given the risks. Those of us whose life experience spans both the online and physical worlds are perhaps in a better position to assess value/effort/time/money of all available options and make the best overall decision. I imagine those of us whose experience has mostly been in an online world tend to gravitate towards that option. If I had to guess, I would say the OP that started this discussion is almost certainly under 40 and quite possibly under 35.

[ArnoldNe]

I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.

100% agree, not sure what others are ranting about.

If you went through all my posts you will know that it was my first time dealing with MiChat channel, it is not like there is a written script of what to do and how much to pay in a situation like that, so I used what I felt right in the moment of truth aka an uncomfortable situation in this case, and reading your comments now has made me realize that the situation could have been handled better, sometimes you learn from other's mistakes and sometimes your own, first is being prepared and second is experience. Lesson learnt and I will be better prepared next time should I choose to engage in another experimental channel.

[Muzungufotsy]

Giving 100 K to bait and switch is what keeps these crooks in business. I guarantee you no local dude will pay for that.

100% right.

[Muzungufotsy]

I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.

Don't compare Indonesia to Mexico this is complete non sense.

[Expat American]

I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.

So if you are that scared why call any girl to your room at all? Indonesia is not Mexico or Colombia or the US. "Pimp" and "Mamasans" are not the same. Giving 100 K to bait and switch is what keeps these crooks in business. I guarantee you no local dude will pay for that. But you can do what you want of course. Anyway, I am amazed that people go all the way across the world to a place where you can walk into a Brothel and choose from hundreds of girls and still choose to deal with this shit. And yet it exists.

[Vendelo]

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Giving them 100 k to leave is a sign of complete weakness.
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Jakarta is going downhill every day thanks to complete morons.

I've been catfished in Jakarta and Guadalajara. I'm in a foreign country. The pimp knows what hotel I am staying at. I don't know who is the pimp. Is he involved with a criminal organization. In Guadalajara, there's a good chance he is a narco. Give the girl "go away" money so you can live another day.

But you do whatever you prefer to do.

[ArnoldNe]

In every geography there is a great way to meet and fuck girls. But they are different. Some are strip club format. Some are fishbowl. Some are one after the other cheek kiss and select. All countries have their own way.

My rule is to focus on what that country offers. And don't go do other stuff. Like Brazil offers nightclubs with fuck on site. Or massage daytime fuck on site. Pick one and do it. Don't do online escorts and stuff. Brasil is best for the nightclubs. Stick to that. London on the other hand the clubs bite. And the escort agency scene is spectacular. In London do the escort agencies.

And that brings me to Jakarta. My very strong advice having been is don't oppose the flow. The flow and best venues are Classic and similar clubs. Stick to what Jakarta for what is best at. Rather than online ordering and michat and bait and switch. Do Jakarta for what Jakarta does best. Like classic.

Every place has its own unique best offering and it is usually best to stick with it, yeah we hear you bro and its probably for the best.

[Steve 9696]

In every geography there is a great way to meet and fuck girls. But they are different. Some are strip club format. Some are fishbowl. Some are one after the other cheek kiss and select. All countries have their own way.

My rule is to focus on what that country offers. And don't go do other stuff. Like Brazil offers nightclubs with fuck on site. Or massage daytime fuck on site. Pick one and do it. Don't do online escorts and stuff. Brasil is best for the nightclubs. Stick to that. London on the other hand the clubs bite. And the escort agency scene is spectacular. In London do the escort agencies.

And that brings me to Jakarta. My very strong advice having been is don't oppose the flow. The flow and best venues are Classic and similar clubs. Stick to what Jakarta for what is best at. Rather than online ordering and michat and bait and switch. Do Jakarta for what Jakarta does best. Like classic.

[Exoticspirit]

Wise words and I can see some crucial learnings from your experiences. I am old school and still prefer the face to face approach of choosing a girl etc. But I can see the tide turning and more and more people opting for app or online based approaches, while most of the providers in this new space are trying to dupe you into paying high prices for getting much less than what you bargained for or worse. It is important to have a few safeguards of our own to avoid being conned.

In both of my cases the girls deleted the photo after few minutes of sending it, so there was no point of reference when they showed up.

I agree 100% with you. We should learn from all the benefits we get from most of the venues we visit in Thailand and Phillipines where we usually not only get to see and meet the girls in advance of committing to any session but also to interview them as well to see if they are a good fit. Relying on online photos is just to easy for bait and switch. If I was going to do only online routes, I might as well stay in Canada to monger where it's impossible to meet any girls in advance of a booking. Don't take the advantages we get in southeast Asia with the ability to see the girls in person first for granted.

[Muzungufotsy]

A trip using Grab bike is usually under 15 K.

You probably know it, so why are you give that much to these scammers?

I couldn't agree more. And most of the time they are just brought there by their pimp so there is no transport fee at all. If a girl is not like in the picture you kick her out and give her no money period.

None of these Michat girls takes a taxi. Giving them 100 k to leave is a sign of complete weakness.

She does this a few times a day she doesn't even need to have sex.

It s the weakness of guys who drive the prices up and change girls attitude not the inflation.

As for FLs giving 50% commission to mamasans is also ridiculous. 50 k is the normal rate not 200.

And guys who pay 400 k for pics or vids are complete losers. The girls agree or not no need to pay extra for it.

Jakarta is going downhill every day thanks to complete morons.

[ArnoldNe]

I hear you. I was a bit stubborn about michat, due to one particular poster here raving about it, while most said it was crap. It was indeed crap, but after 10-15 bookings (maybe I'm a slow learner?) I kind of started to get the hang of it, and reduced time wasted.

Wise words and I can see some crucial learnings from your experiences. I am old school and still prefer the face to face approach of choosing a girl etc. But I can see the tide turning and more and more people opting for app or online based approaches, while most of the providers in this new space are trying to dupe you into paying high prices for getting much less than what you bargained for or worse. It is important to have a few safeguards of our own to avoid being conned.

In both of my cases the girls deleted the photo after few minutes of sending it, so there was no point of reference when they showed up.

[Werqweq]

@ Werqweq @ Paolo.

I guess there is a learning curve here as with any new experiment, but I will be honest both of these girls aka scammers were pushy keeping me waiting while they called someone (second one not so much I guess but it still doesnt feel comfortable to negotiate with a hooker for nothing in return in a common hotel space) I usually prefer these things to get done quietly as would anyone else I guess, so I was a little worried of causing an unnecessary debate / argument / scene leading to unwanted attention from other guests and hotel staff in my direction, so I just wanted to get them off my case and be done with it, I guess that is what led to paying a 100 k each for nothing but wasting my time. Lesson learnt with no regrets though, I am doing something new in every visit and that keeps things interesting for me.

Rest assured I will not be using this option in the future, my best experiences were with the honest Classic and KI girls who were an absolute smooth sail. I already knew how our chemistry in the bed was and sometimes they can bring a friend for a reasonable price also as my KI girl did and her friend was also a genuine worker (contributed well to a good time shared together despite not speaking a single word of english), rest seems like a waste of time / fending off scams (which I may learn to deal with better than this time but it still ruins the time and mood for that instance).

I hear you. I was a bit stubborn about michat, due to one particular poster here raving about it, while most said it was crap. It was indeed crap, but after 10-15 bookings (maybe I'm a slow learner?) I kind of started to get the hang of it, and reduced time wasted.

I never bothered entering into any debate with these scammers. The longest conversation I had downstairs in the lobby was during one of my initial bookings, where I took the effort of showing the woman downstairs the photo of who I was expecting (she looked as surprised as I). If there is anything to discuss (can't at the top of my head think what that could be), I'd suggest sitting down with them in the lobby, as it normally attracts less attention than standing there.

Happened to me once or twice where some masked creature turned up in thailand, trying to quickly walk past me to the elevator before I could get a good look at them. I just sat down, waiting for them to come back, and indicated for them to sit down opposite of me. After they remove their mask and I see it's a ladyboy or Gollum's less attractive sister, I just tell them goodbye and walk away, sometimes to the squeaky sounds of "I'm real girl" somewhere behind me.