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  1. #16253
    Quote Originally Posted by Aster14  [View Original Post]

    Many of you seem to speak positively of the idea of bringing a girl from Jakarta to Bali. Would you guys recommend this approach given limited time to scout the talent? FWIW, I speak no Bahasa, plan on using SA / Tinder, and am thinking maybe 2 days in Jakarta before heading out to Bali..
    Check your PMs. Speaking Bahasa would widen the field but will not be a show stopper for you. Personally, I would be targeting the more civilian / part-time end of the market. SA, and to some extent Tinder, generally have the more beautiful but far more commercial end of the market. This not only affects price expectations but also service levels, especially when she knows you are stuck with her and have very few options to return / exchange her once in Bali A quiet girl, who has never seen a plane seat before will be awe struck and say thanks in all the right ways. A girl who has seen numerous Business Class flights to Dubai, not so much.

    Civilian options are Indonesian Cupid, Facebook, and even food halls in malls. Don't discount simply meeting girls in malls, food halls, McDs etc. Indonesians are amazingly approachable if you are reasonably out going, respectful and chatty. Asking a girl to help showing you around or translating can be a great ice breaker / leg opener.

    Enjoy. G.

  2. #16252

    Trip planning

    Hello all, currently planning a trip for Jan 2023, and am considering adding Indonesia to the list for 5 - 7 days. I've been reading through the Jakarta and Bali forums, was wondering if the seniors can offer any advice / recommendations.

    Seems like the activities are generally more decentralized and online in Jakarta compared to BKK. Would you guys strongly recommend against staying in central Jakarta? I'm currently looking at the JW Marriott or Hyatt as I have status with them, but they seem quite far away from the locations mentioned in this thread.

    Many of you seem to speak positively of the idea of bringing a girl from Jakarta to Bali. Would you guys recommend this approach given limited time to scout the talent? FWIW, I speak no Bahasa, plan on using SA / Tinder, and am thinking maybe 2 days in Jakarta before heading out to Bali.

    Any other advice or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

  3. #16251
    Quote Originally Posted by Adindas  [View Original Post]
    If you notice I am talking about average Indonesian. This is what make up the market and not the tiny percentage of wealthy Indonesians.

    I never said there are not wealthy Indonesian seeking for the high class escorts. Like anywhere In the world there are always be high class escort courtesans, etc. Do these very wealthy Indonesian people go to Kota Indah, Kingcross, Kelapa Gading (KG) Jakarta where they could easily travel abroad anywhere they want to or book the movie stars?
    The Rate of US$300 that we area talking here is about ordinary Indonesian student, not a high class escort, or courtesans or movie stars, celebrities. It is widely known that many Indonesian students in Jakarta are working as an escort. The salary range and minimum salary in Jakarta that I quoted is coming from reputable site for professionals.
    I am very familiar with Jakarta and Indonesian scene In general and I speak Indonesian fluently. I know the average salary of an Indonesian engineer and/or other professionals.
    Also do not forget these wealthy Indonesian could easily travel abroad anytime, anywhere they want to. But what are the percentage of them??
    I don't disagree with you on some aspects. I have mentioned that it depends on what kind of girl one is looking for. There are the down market like KI or Classic where girls sold and work out of contractual bondage and from the kampung. Then there are freelancers and the sugar babies from the city. Since you speak Bahasa, then I assume you know more about Jakarta than originally thought and know what I am talking about. The rate expectations have definitely increased significantly since covid. Also, I don't think $300 will get one anywhere close to any movie stars and celebrities, LOL. Also, wealthy Indonesians usually tend to keep their own sugar babies locally.

  4. #16250
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    Don't forget that Indonesia is still a majority Muslim country, which means that it is still a conservative country. Logistically, it will be a challenge for one to find a lab that can conduct HIV testing for you quickly and discreetly, but not to say there is none to be found. Just do your STD test in Germany and show it to the girls for a peace of their mind.

    Having said that, you might get similar challenges from regular girls getting STD tests for you. I have only ever seen one girl's profile in seeking from Jakarta that demanded you do STD test before anything else and she was looking for a long term arrangement.

    It is actually ironic that girls in brothels like those in spas and clubs in Jakarta actually get tested more frequently as mandated by the establishment. The establishment usually have their own doctors doing their regular rounds taking swabs and samples from the girls for testing. If the girls are tested positive with STD, they are out. By that standard, one could say they are actually less risky.

    In any case, make your own assessment and decision based on your risk tolerance. If in doubt, get it covered.
    I know it is a common practice that Indonesian people do not use protection when they visit a brothel, spa, or RLD in Indonesia all the time Indonesia. I also know that the majority of the girls in the brothels, spas, or RLDs, night clubs never ask for it when people do engage in unprotected sex, BBFS - CIP.

    Some foreigners are engaging in BBFS. CIP as they might forget about the risk of getting life threatening infections. But the point here is that HIV testing is for both parties, not only for the the men but also for the girls.

    Also differentiate between getting regular test for STD like Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, etc are not the same with getting HIV test. These tye of disease infections could easily be recognised even without doing testing. Should the sex workers in Indonesia get regular HIV test, there would be many more people would want to engage in unprotected sex without hesitation.
    I never heard that sex workers in Indonesia get regular check for HIV. Should the sex workers in Indonesia get HIV test regularly there should not be any problem to do BBFS.

  5. #16249
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    I doubt you are familiar with the Jakarta scene. You are using information like these to make assumptions. There are many wealthy professionals, businessmen etc in the area usually seeking out city cosmopolitan girl. And de facto market rates are often established by what they are able to get in the market. I have local friends in Jakarta who are familiar with these scenes. $300 is actually not unreasonable over there. Again, it depends what kind of girl you want to get.
    If you notice I am talking about average Indonesian. This is what make up the market and not the tiny percentage of wealthy Indonesians.

    I never said there are not wealthy Indonesian seeking for the high class escorts. Like anywhere In the world there are always high class escorts, courtesans, etc. But Do these very wealthy Indonesian people go to Kota Indah, King-cross, Kelapa Gading (KG) Jakarta where they could easily travel abroad anywhere they want to or book the movie stars?
    The Rate of US$300 that we are talking here is about ordinary Indonesian student, which you see a lot of them in the shopping malls. She is not a high class escort, or courtesans or movie star. celebrity. It is widely known that many Indonesian students in Jakarta are working as an escort. The salary range and minimum salary in Jakarta that I quoted before is coming from reputable site for professionals.
    I am familiar with Jakarta and Indonesian scene In general and I speak Indonesian fluently. I know the average salary of an Indonesian engineer and/or other professionals.
    Also do not forget these wealthy Indonesian could easily travel abroad anytime, anywhere they want to. But what are the percentage of them??

  6. #16248
    Quote Originally Posted by Adindas  [View Original Post]
    Many international tourists come to Jakarta do not do their research thinking that it is reasonable to pay $300 a night as they are comparing to what they would have paid in their own countries. Many of them are just coming once in a few years or even once in their lifetime. These people are actually destroying the market. It is not good for everyone.

    https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries...lary-SRCH_IL.0, 7_IM1045_KO8,16. Htm? CountryRedirect=true.

    The average salary of an Engineer in Jakarta is IDR 8,100,654 per month in the Jakarta, that is equivalent to $540 a month. Also keep in mind that is an engineer Job, Not average job that could be done by ordinary people without a proper skills and higher education. Also you will still need to deduct it with income tax. So $300 might be a month salary for ordinary worker. The inium salary in Jakarta in 2022 is Rp4.573.845.
    https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/indonesia-62154251 (use google translate)
    So For $300 a night it is mad to think that average Indonesian will ever consider that. They are very lucky if Indonesian people would ever want to pay for half of it $150 a night.
    I doubt you are familiar with the Jakarta scene. You are using information like these to make assumptions. There are many wealthy professionals, businessmen etc in the area usually seeking out city cosmopolitan girl. And de facto market rates are often established by what they are able to get in the market. I have local friends in Jakarta who are familiar with these scenes. $300 is actually not unreasonable over there. Again, it depends what kind of girl you want to get.

  7. #16247
    Quote Originally Posted by Adindas  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the link.

    The main point against PrEP is that, it is a very strong drug and you will need to take it for about a week in order to be effective.

    https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnZS6CtLqu8

    Regarding testing, indeed they could be faked but the incentive of doing is low as the cost of oral testing is cheap.
    Another alternative with a lower accuracy might be to buy oral test kit, where people could do it for themselves.

    https://www.chemist-4-u.com/oraquick-hiv

    I believe it is like quick Swap test with Covid-19?

    I do not know about the US, but I know that male / female pornstars in Europe are using HIV testing before engaging in BBFS CIP scenes. They do not take PrEP.
    Don't forget that Indonesia is still a majority Muslim country, which means that it is still a conservative country. Logistically, it will be a challenge for one to find a lab that can conduct HIV testing for you quickly and discreetly, but not to say there is none to be found. Just do your STD test in Germany and show it to the girls for a peace of their mind.

    Having said that, you might get similar challenges from regular girls getting STD tests for you. I have only ever seen one girl's profile in seeking from Jakarta that demanded you do STD test before anything else and she was looking for a long term arrangement.

    It is actually ironic that girls in brothels like those in spas and clubs in Jakarta actually get tested more frequently as mandated by the establishment. The establishment usually have their own doctors doing their regular rounds taking swabs and samples from the girls for testing. If the girls are tested positive with STD, they are out. By that standard, one could say they are actually less risky.

    In any case, make your own assessment and decision based on your risk tolerance. If in doubt, get it covered.

  8. #16246
    Quote Originally Posted by Zanny  [View Original Post]
    If you want to protect yourself, you need to take holiday PrEP like I did. I mentioned it in my trip report. A certificate can be faked, and it doesn't make sense for a short time holiday fuck.

    I had a good massage from a few chicks, one at Halomas Aloha and another at Sugar Spa. But if you really want a good massage, best to go to a place called a Refleski, essentially the menu will have "reflexology" or "full body" at these places. Reflexology is like 75% of the time a foot massage, in a chair, then the chair goes flat and you get a bit of a back workout and head massage and body stretch. Full body is more expensive and has a proper massage bed but is too pricey for Jakarta.

    Can read about PrEP and and massages and see a map of Refleski places on my map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/ed...TA&usp=sharing.

    I was in Jakarta a few weeks ago and have to write up my second trip report. Coming soon.
    Thanks for the link.

    The main point against PrEP is that, it is a very strong drug and you will need to take it for about a week in order to be effective.

    https://www.iwantprepnow.co.uk/how-to-take-prep/
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnZS6CtLqu8

    Regarding testing, indeed they could be faked but the incentive of doing is low as the cost of oral testing is cheap.
    Another alternative with a lower accuracy might be to buy oral test kit, where people could do it for themselves.

    https://www.chemist-4-u.com/oraquick-hiv

    I believe it is like quick Swap test with Covid-19?

    I do not know about the US, but I know that male / female pornstars in Europe are using HIV testing before engaging in BBFS CIP scenes. They do not take PrEP.

  9. #16245
    Quote Originally Posted by CallSignRomeo  [View Original Post]
    Correct me If I'm wrong but If she has been recently infected few days back this will also not show up on the test. I think you have to have tested negative for 3 months on constant basis to be sure if you are really negative or not?
    I was looking at visiting Thailand for an extended period and looked at HIV testing so that I could chose a girl and bareback her for the duration. I believe that the latest tests can pick up an infection after about 10 days, so worst case scenario it's covered up for 10 days and then uncovered all the way.

  10. #16244
    Quote Originally Posted by Adindas  [View Original Post]
    I wonder how much an HIV test in Jakarta and / or in Indonesia will cost??

    When you meet a civvy girl via seeking arrangement, tinder or other social networking sites. Could you not ask them to have an HIV test get certificate (or the like) and you pay for it, This is to reduced the risk significantly of getting life threatening incurable infection??
    Correct me If I'm wrong but If she has been recently infected few days back this will also not show up on the test. I think you have to have tested negative for 3 months on constant basis to be sure if you are really negative or not?

  11. #16243
    Quote Originally Posted by Adindas  [View Original Post]
    When you meet a civvy girl via seeking arrangement, tinder or other social networking sites. Could you not ask them to have an HIV test get certificate (or the like) and you pay for it, This is to reduced the risk significantly of getting life threatening incurable infection??
    If you want to protect yourself, you need to take holiday PrEP like I did. I mentioned it in my trip report. A certificate can be faked, and it doesn't make sense for a short time holiday fuck.

    Quote Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus  [View Original Post]
    Indo is on my list. But I love a good, skilled strong massage. Is this a common thing?
    I had a good massage from a few chicks, one at Halomas Aloha and another at Sugar Spa. But if you really want a good massage, best to go to a place called a Refleski, essentially the menu will have "reflexology" or "full body" at these places. Reflexology is like 75% of the time a foot massage, in a chair, then the chair goes flat and you get a bit of a back workout and head massage and body stretch. Full body is more expensive and has a proper massage bed but is too pricey for Jakarta.

    Can read about PrEP and and massages and see a map of Refleski places on my map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/1/ed...TA&usp=sharing.

    I was in Jakarta a few weeks ago and have to write up my second trip report. Coming soon.

  12. #16242

    HIV test in Jakarta (or Indonesia In general) ???

    I wonder how much an HIV test in Jakarta and / or in Indonesia will cost??

    In other countries such as in Germany, the organisers will arrange a quick HIV test on the spot before they allow people to join the BBFS - CIP party. It costs EUR30, so presumably the true cost must be around that.

    When you meet a civvy girl via seeking arrangement, tinder or other social networking sites. Could you not ask them to have an HIV test get certificate (or the like) and you pay for it, This is to reduced the risk significantly of getting life threatening incurable infection??
    Last edited by Adindas; 09-18-22 at 09:49. Reason: HIV test in Jakarta (or Indonesia In general) ???

  13. #16241

    Don't over-pay

    Quote Originally Posted by MightySpearsman  [View Original Post]
    I couldn't help but chuckle at your wording. I think it's safe to say that most Indonesian university / law school students are happy with "about $300 a night" as well as a free trip to Bali for the weekend.

    In fact, most young Indonesian women would be happy with $300 a night, considering that that is more than the average monthly salary for most office and factory workers. Even less than that would be welcome - I'm sure the chance to sleep in a nice bed in a 5-star hotel with a nice bathroom for the night could be had for much less than $300.
    Please, please, please. I beg you Sir, to never go to Indonesia and pay this sort of money. It's beyond ridiculous. It destroys the market for everyone else, including the locals. It creates a massive price inflation for pussy.

    People from pussy-prison countries like the US, land in places like this and have no concept of what the market rate is and fuck it up for the rest of us. Don't throw your cash around, don't excessively overpay and for fucks sake don't be part of the "I tip well" brigade. Leave that attitude back at home.

    Three years ago, I was banging a lot of civvies there but took a couple of semi-WG's too. One was $25 for 4-12 hours of fun, including her willingly (and without prompting) cleaning my apartment whilst I was in the shower and giving me a proper massage after we had fucked for a long time. She also cooked me nice meals too and sometimes stayed overnight. Another was a sub, who would stay for 2-days-1-night for $60 and loved being dominated, spanked, and treated rough.

  14. #16240
    Quote Originally Posted by MightySpearsman  [View Original Post]
    I couldn't help but chuckle at your wording. I think it's safe to say that most Indonesian university / law school students are happy with "about $300 a night" as well as a free trip to Bali for the weekend.

    In fact, most young Indonesian women would be happy with $300 a night, considering that that is more than the average monthly salary for most office and factory workers. Even less than that would be welcome - I'm sure the chance to sleep in a nice bed in a 5-star hotel with a nice bathroom for the night could be had for much less than $300.

    An old story that's relevant here. I stayed at the old Hotel Indonesia in 1992 for a week for my job. One of my co-workers, who had visited Jakarta many times, took me down to the cafe / restaurant on the ground floor (left of the lobby) one night around 11 pm and the place was filled with attractive female university students drinking tea or a soft drink. He referred to them as "scholars" and said that all of them were available to be brought up to your room for the night for a reasonable amount of money (the equivalent of $20 - $25 US?). These girls did not want to be seen as working girls in any nightclub or bar but still needed to earn some money. My co-worker said that he rarely went out to a nightclub or massage parlor since he didn't need to. He had had such good luck with the scholars, said the experience was very GFE.
    Many international tourists come to Jakarta do not do their research thinking that it is reasonable to pay $300 a night as they are comparing to what they would have paid in their own countries. Many of them are just coming once in a few years or even once in their lifetime. These people are actually destroying the market. It is not good for everyone.

    https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries...lary-SRCH_IL.0, 7_IM1045_KO8,16. Htm? CountryRedirect=true.

    The average salary of an Engineer in Jakarta is IDR 8,100,654 per month in the Jakarta, that is equivalent to $540 a month. Also keep in mind that is an engineer Job, Not average job that could be done by ordinary people without a proper skills and higher education. Also you will still need to deduct it with income tax. So $300 might be a month salary for ordinary worker. The inium salary in Jakarta in 2022 is Rp4.573.845.
    https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/indonesia-62154251 (use google translate)
    So For $300 a night it is mad to think that average Indonesian will ever consider that. They are very lucky if Indonesian people would ever want to pay for half of it $150 a night.

  15. #16239
    Quote Originally Posted by KrisMonger  [View Original Post]
    Would be Tinder and seeking in the new world. That is where they are.
    I agree, you can't go wrong with Tinder if you're looking for non-pro and semi pros (and full-on pro-pros if it comes to that).

    We no longer need to hang out in malls, hoping to make eye contact, or flirting with the perfume squirters, spending an hour over coffee, tentatively sizing each other up, we don't have to dress up fine and hang out in hotel bars wondering "Is she or isn't she?" You can lay all the essential groundwork, get all the preliminaries out of the way while you are at your desk at work or having a dump on the toilet. Everything done and dusted and expectations cleared up before you even meet. Just don't be shy, don't faff about, if she says she's willing to meet you and remuneration is expected then she has made clear who and what she is. Just get on with it and settle the negotiations and don't agonise over whether she's a good girl who you've turned bad, as I said before you won't be her first spin on the Ferris wheel.

    Oh, and as recommended below, get a cheap burner phone (can be had for $40 or less) and a throwaway SIM card, no need for them to have access to your real number, but then, do I really need to explain the basics to a forum of mongers?

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