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  1. #16006
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicJakarta  [View Original Post]
    Just as a reference, most locals in Jakarta tip 50 to 100 k.
    I fully agree.

  2. #16005

    Tipping

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonz0  [View Original Post]
    @Cucumber. I misread your post and thought you were saying that Classic had the 300 K minimum tip. So everyone can ignore my previous post.

    If Malioboro management expect customers to pay a minimum 300 k tip, then they must expect their girls to provide a decent standard of service.

    If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, has she earned the minimum 300 k tip?
    I agree if she does a total starfish, you can tip less, 100 or 200 k. But I would only tip 0 she is actually aggressive or quarrelsome.

    Management has no expectation for how much you should tip. It is an issue to be resolved between you (your willingness to pay) and the girl (her performance) and ultimately it is up to you. This way the girls have an incentive to perform well, which is in everybody's interest. But remember she makes almost nothing from the basic fee, most of that goes to the establishment. So almost all of her income comes from whatever you decide to tip her. 300 k IDR is 21 US $. Plus maybe 10 US $ or something like that from the basic fee. That is not a lot of money for letting a stranger, usually older and less attractive guy, use your body. And of course the girls come from poverty and need every cent.

    As I have written here before, I find it highly advantageous to be transparent tell her before the session: "good service, good tip; very good service, very good tip; very, very good service, very very good tip. Bad service, no tip". This doesn't always work, but often it does and it has sometimes given me some unbelievable performances. If she has a feeling you are a cheap charlie, she is going to be much less likely to put in a good effort.

    A possible misunderstanding is that the girl may think "service" specifically means blowjob. I am not actually that preoccupied with blowjobs, so I also state up front some of the things I want, usually including passionate DFK and DATY. More kinky stuff I initiate more spontaneously in the session, and then it is up to her whether she wants to go for the big tip (and / or whether we happen to enjoy the same things). That is things like anal play (but not actual anal sex in Indonesia, their anuses are mostly too small), face sitting, drinking saliva, exchange of golden showers, rimming each other. If she ticks all of those boxes, but above all if she succeeds in giving me a feeling that she is really enjoying the sex and likes me, we're in the really big tip range, potentially a million. Paying a 19-year old with a pretty face and a perfect body a 70 buck tip to do those things I consider a bargain.

  3. #16004
    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    Your description of your experience at Malioboro is highly accurate. This is exactly how it works there. I wish I were back in Indo myself! But not before July, alas..
    Thanks Cucumber. I am heading there tonight again and will heed your advices. Hopefully you can join the fun when you arrive in July.

  4. #16003
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonz0  [View Original Post]
    Is there a minimum level of service that the girl should provide to get the 300 K minimum tip?
    If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, should I give her the minimum 300k tip?
    Where does this standard minimum tip amount come from? Are others here in agreement with this amount?
    @Cucumber. I misread your post and thought you were saying that Classic had the 300 K minimum tip. So everyone can ignore my previous post.

    If Malioboro management expect customers to pay a minimum 300 k tip, then they must expect their girls to provide a decent standard of service.

    If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, has she earned the minimum 300 k tip?

  5. #16002
    Just as a reference, most locals in Jakarta tip 50 to 100 k.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonz0  [View Original Post]
    Is there a minimum level of service that the girl should provide to get the 300 K minimum tip?
    If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, should I give her the minimum 300k tip?
    Where does this standard minimum tip amount come from? Are others here in agreement with this amount?

  6. #16001
    Bats been open for a few months already but CJs is still closed.

    Classic.

    Quote Originally Posted by FreakyMango  [View Original Post]
    Can anyone update whether Bats and CJ still open as pickup locations?

  7. #16000
    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    The girl gets a very low share of the official price tag and everybody is expected to tip. 300 000 is a standard minimum tip. Anything below that is a punishment for bad service. If the girl is nice and makes an effort, more could be paid, up to 6-700 000 if it was really fantastic. More if you fall in love, even just for a little while.
    Is there a minimum level of service that the girl should provide to get the 300 K minimum tip?
    If a girl just gets naked and is a starfish, should I give her the minimum 300k tip?
    Where does this standard minimum tip amount come from? Are others here in agreement with this amount?

  8. #15999

    Malioboro

    Quote Originally Posted by United1  [View Original Post]
    Gents,

    This was my first experiences at Malioboro Spa (Malio). I will like to share since some of you might be new and wanted to details what I went thru. ....
    Your description of your experience at Malioboro is highly accurate. This is exactly how it works there. I wish I were back in Indo myself! But not before July, alas.

    I believe there is a proper spa section on the lower floors of the part you were in, though I have never gone to those floors myself (I always go straight for the girls).

    You missed the other part of Malioboro. You were in the part closest to the street. There is another part at the back, further away from the street. It has its own entrance. It is also possible to cross between the two parts by going up a few floors and through some corridors. You can get someone there to show you the way. In the part at the back, it is more like a proper night club, with loud music, a bit dark, lots of dancers, girls who only keep you company, girls to take to room etc. There are some roaming girls there who do lady drinks. They are the hottest girls I have seen in Jakarta. Unbelievably attractive. But you will run up a huge lady drink bill with them very fast and they cost over 3 million to take to the room.

    In general you will spend a lot more money at Malioboro than at Classic or Travel. Malioboro is a bit more "upmarket", but the sexual experience is not necessarily better. At Classic and Travel service is unpredictable, but what does it matter when you can go through three girls for the price of one. I also find that it is more difficult to interact with girls at Malioboro than at Classic.

    Rooms at Malioboro, Classic and Travel don't have windows. But they are squeaky clean.

    I don't know why you are so worried about security. Indonesia is generally very safe, safer than many places in Europe, and places like Malioboro, Classic and Travel are the safest of all within the Indonesian context. Including taxis outside (though they will refuse to use the meter and you need to negotiate a price in advance. The only thing to watch out for is lady drinks, but you have to understand that the whole point of lady drinks is a kind of tongue in cheek game to press up your expenditure. Almost like a competition between the girl and you. "See if you can resist me. " And yes, the bill in Malioboro is always a bit higher than one expects. In Classic and Travel it is usually spot on and they are even more transparent about pricing.

    The girl gets a very low share of the official price tag and everybody is expected to tip. 300 000 is a standard minimum tip. Anything below that is a punishment for bad service. If the girl is nice and makes an effort, more could be paid, up to 6-700 000 if it was really fantastic. More if you fall in love, even just for a little while.

    To one of the other posters on the forum: to send a girl back because she has saggy tits or something like that is really cruel. Remember they are humans, they have feelings, they are in a desperate economic situation and they are doing very dangerous work to satisfy you. Treat them nice. And as somebody else wrote, if you don't want a girl who has had a baby, ask BOTH the mamasan and the girl before taking the girl. The mamasan may say yes, yes but not really know. Also remember you never have to do what the mamasan says. She is pushy because she is competing against other mamasans, but this does not mean that her pushiness represents the authority of the institution.

  9. #15998
    Quote Originally Posted by OffshoreSwell  [View Original Post]
    Unfortunately, you may have shown your hand when the Mamasan asked for the first tip. They are professionals at smelling inexperience and the jungle drums of Malioboro work fast when they know theres a tipper in the building. This isn't the first time OS has heard this story. You should just put it down to the upfront costs involved in learning how Jakarta works. It's no big deal.
    Thanks OffSwell. Like you said, you live and you learn. I am sure they smelled "newbie blood" when I walked in the door. Won't make the same mistake next time!

    Onward,

    U1.

  10. #15997

    Bats

    Can anyone update whether Bats and CJ still open as pickup locations?

  11. #15996
    Quote Originally Posted by United1  [View Original Post]
    Gents,

    This was my first experiences at Malioboro Spa (Malio). I will like to share since some of you might be new and wanted to details what I went thru. Overall good experiences.

    I went to Malio on a Sunday afternoon around 4 pm (I know its too early, but I don't like monger late at night). It seems to be in a fairly safe location. About 5-10 min moto ride from Plaza Indonesia and across street from few 4-star hotels (Harris and Mercure). So overall feels safe.

    On the outside, the hotel looks quite run down, but when you walk its brightly lighted 3-star hotel. First you walks up to the counter and they give you a locker key with number. This will used for billing purpose. Then you take elevator to the 2 (or 3?) floor. There is another counter that will direct you to a big lounge (BAR) area. I am not sure if this is the night club. There were a lot of tables, chairs, banquet seats and I think there was a small stage. Since it was my first time, I didn't want to stay too long. Maybe 10-15% full.

    Mamasan will come and ask if you want drink and try to talk to you. I didn't have much time, so I just ask to see ladies. The showed me a price list with different levels. It was something like Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Something else. Each with the prices. I don't remembers exactly, prices but bronze was 680 K and top class was 2.8 M. The higher you go, better looking and foreign girls. I think Bronze to Gold was local Indonesian girl and higher levels were Vietnam, Uzbek, maybe some other white girl.

    Since I didn't have much cash on me, I asked for local girl. She showed me 6 girls. They were probably 6-7's at best. Nothing ugly, but not hot Indonesia beauties. I chose the best of the lot #587. Then sat us at table and ask if I want drink. I said no I need to go, so #587 took my hand and walked me out of bar area. Mamasan asked for tip. I didn't know what to do, so I gave her 50 k.

    Girl takes you to that same counter (outside bar) and does some paperwork. Then I had to buy a condom for 28 K. Dumb.

    Then girl take me on elevator to floor with rooms. The room was quite clean, but typical brothel room (maybe I can pay for better room)? Has shower and bed, no window.

    Then its standard brothel experience. Shower, light massage, BBBJ, FS. Was fun, didn't feel very mechanical. But to be honest I no very excited about her. I had one hour total with her. Mostly massage and shower. She reminded me of a Geylang girl. Average looks, but looks good in heels and pushup bras. When it comes off, not so hot.

    After, she asked for cash tip. I didn't know what to do (I should have read forms) So I gave her 100 K. She seem mad, but I didn't have enough cash and didn't know how much final bill will be.

    Then she take me back to lounge area. I didn't want to stay, so I went back down to 1st floor lobby to check out.

    Here I gave back my locker key. And my total price was 1,040 K. Which I guess was price of girl and room for one hour.

    As I was leaving security guard was nice and got me Blue Bird taxi. But then also asked for tip. I only have him 10 K.

    Taxi took me home no problems. Sometimes taxi when pick up men at brothel, can be shady.

    Overall. I had a good experience, nice facilities and I might try to go back if Seeking doesn't work for me (some seeking girls are insanely expensive). Realize I should go back to Malio in evening for better selection and not be so timid. I should try to enjoy more. I think there are probably more beauties available. Maybe I spend more money and find better selection in evening.

    Questions for group ==.

    Does anyone have advices about how much to tip?

    Is there an actual spa with bath, hot cold pool, showers?

    Did I miss anything from the 'malio' experience?

    I thought there is a dance floor. Is there?

    Thank and hope this helps any newbie out there.

    Onward.
    Unfortunately, you may have shown your hand when the Mamasan asked for the first tip. They are professionals at smelling inexperience and the jungle drums of Malioboro work fast when they know theres a tipper in the building. This isn't the first time OS has heard this story. You should just put it down to the upfront costs involved in learning how Jakarta works. It's no big deal.

  12. #15995
    Quote Originally Posted by Muzungufotsy  [View Original Post]
    Can somebody confirm where does the difference of price between 680 k and 1040 k come from? Looks like you got scammed. You should have asked and check your bill.

    I never heard of room charge in any other place. If I m quoted 300 for a girl I pay 300 and room is always included.

    Second nobody forces you to give tip. You give if deserved and if you want to. Mamasan wants a tip? For what? For doing her job. You are afraid to say no? She s paid for that. Asking to pay for condom is also ridiculous.
    Did I ever say I chose the 680 K girl? No, I chose the mid range which was 1040 K.

    And yes, I tipped. Big f&king deal. My first time here and I didn't know what to do. So shoot me.

    And, yes I paid $2 USD for a condom. Oh no, the world global order is ruined. Like the other poster said, I am not trying to get into a fight with mafia owners. If I come back, will bring my own condom next time.

    Chill man. Not all of us are geniuses like you.

  13. #15994
    Quote Originally Posted by Ggekko2009  [View Original Post]
    3) OP is talking about tipping the girl whom he had sex with, not the mamasan. Don't have to tip the Mamasan or even those service boys who would occasionally ask for tips.
    The OP gave tip to both mamasan and service boys.

  14. #15993
    Maybe not scammed, but quoted price increase significantly after the tax and service charge is added. Its around 30% If I remember correctly.

    Classic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muzungufotsy  [View Original Post]
    Can somebody confirm where does the difference of price between 680 k and 1040 k come from? Looks like you got scammed. You should have asked and check your bill.

    I never heard of room charge in any other place. If I m quoted 300 for a girl I pay 300 and room is always included.

    Second nobody forces you to give tip. You give if deserved and if you want to. Mamasan wants a tip? For what? For doing her job. You are afraid to say no? She s paid for that. Asking to pay for condom is also ridiculous.

  15. #15992

    Facts, not opinions

    Quote Originally Posted by Muzungufotsy  [View Original Post]
    Can somebody confirm where does the difference of price between 680 k and 1040 k come from? Looks like you got scammed. You should have asked and check your bill.

    I never heard of room charge in any other place. If I m quoted 300 for a girl I pay 300 and room is always included.

    Second nobody forces you to give tip. You give if deserved and if you want to. Mamasan wants a tip? For what? For doing her job. You are afraid to say no? She s paid for that. Asking to pay for condom is also ridiculous.
    What makes you think that the OP got scammed? I think the facts need to be straightened here given that other people read these posts and they need to get this information right about Malio.

    1) The girls in Malio are grouped based on tiers based on looks, popularities and nationalities. The higher tier group charges more and the imports are always in the highest tier. Their prices are based on which tier the girls are in.

    2) The room charge is always separate. One can opt for a more luxurious VIP room at a higher price.

    3) OP is talking about tipping the girl whom he had sex with, not the mamasan. Don't have to tip the Mamasan or even those service boys who would occasionally ask for tips. But I would recommend tipping the girls since they depend on these tips. Don't need to be a cheap charlie.

    4) Sure, check your bill before paying and ask for clarification if needed. But, please don't act like an ass in those establishment. The place is not cheap in comparison, but it is not in their interest to cheat you and they need repeat business. These places are run by mafias and they pay a lot of money to the police and politicians for protection and other access. Don't think for a second they would not try to rough you up if you don't want to pay because you are foreigner and act like you know best.

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