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  1. #15130
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    You arrived and left at the perfect times. The problem was the night you chose to go. You are talking about a Monday night. Every free lance place in Jakarta is dead on Monday night. The only one that might possible have something going on Monday night would be CJs at the Hotel Mulia. That's a better night to hit the brothels. Every night of the week other than Sunday and Monday nights will be ok.

    If the band was decent enough, I am guessing it was the one night of the week they have an Indonesian band there rather than the one that is there every other night of the week. I know it's either Sunday or Monday night the normal band is off, but I am not sure which. Regardless, the normal band at BATS right now is terrible. BATS is off my list of places to go at the moment simply due to that crap band. The band at CJs is also pretty lame, but it's far better than the one at BATS currently.

    4:30 pm at Classic is a good time to go. You can spend the entire day there and get in many shots by going so early.

    The spa places open around 11 am depending on which one you choose.
    I guess since I'm staying at the hotel, I can always pop in downstairs and see what's going on. I'm guessing I was just fine with the band you dislike, but hopefully I'll see the better one one of these nights. I'm happy to go have a drink downstairs at night.

  2. #15129
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050............
    Means that by 2050 Jakarta will be a tourist hub like Venice.

  3. #15128
    Quote Originally Posted by Maila  [View Original Post]
    I visit BATS tonight. What a disappointment.

    I figured more FLs would arrive but none did. I went after 11:30 and stuck around till 2 am wondering if I came in far too early.

    I thought the band was decent enough.

    Don't think I'm going to head anywhere at 3 am, but will hit up other things tomorrow. Not sure if there are daytime options, but I read that one can hit Classic around 4:30 pm. I wonder if any of the "spa" places might be open earlier, or a soapy or something.
    You arrived and left at the perfect times. The problem was the night you chose to go. You are talking about a Monday night. Every free lance place in Jakarta is dead on Monday night. The only one that might possible have something going on Monday night would be CJs at the Hotel Mulia. That's a better night to hit the brothels. Every night of the week other than Sunday and Monday nights will be ok.

    If the band was decent enough, I am guessing it was the one night of the week they have an Indonesian band there rather than the one that is there every other night of the week. I know it's either Sunday or Monday night the normal band is off, but I am not sure which. Regardless, the normal band at BATS right now is terrible. BATS is off my list of places to go at the moment simply due to that crap band. The band at CJs is also pretty lame, but it's far better than the one at BATS currently.

    4:30 pm at Classic is a good time to go. You can spend the entire day there and get in many shots by going so early.

    The spa places open around 11 am depending on which one you choose.

  4. #15127
    Quote Originally Posted by Maila  [View Original Post]
    I visit BATS tonight. What a disappointment. There were a total of about ten fairly well-dressed FLs. But, they were rather old and ugly. It was all very amusing and horrifying at the same time. There were old men dancing with each other while FLs sat smoking like chimneys looking at them.

    I'm not sure if there is some sort of cover to enter BATS. When I went there, they asked me if I was staying at the hotel and asked to see my key card. Then when I showed it to them, they "opened" a closed lane to walk through to the bar.

    Two FLs came and joined me while I was hanging out by myself. I couldn't even muster excitement at even talking with them. It was bad.

    I found only one girl who seemed in the 20's and attractive but I didn't make a move on her holding out for something better. I saw that girl not even able to walk straight so I figured this could be a case where she lands on a bed and crashes to sleep. But, I and hindsight, I could have had her. I saw some heavy negotiations taking place. I figured more FLs would arrive but none did. I went after 11:30 and stuck around till 2 am wondering if I came in far too early.

    I thought the band was decent enough.

    Don't think I'm going to head anywhere at 3 am, but will hit up other things tomorrow. Not sure if there are daytime options, but I read that one can hit Classic around 4:30 pm. I wonder if any of the "spa" places might be open earlier, or a soapy or something.
    Classic is opened at 4:30pm. I have been there around that time. There were about 20 girls there. You might be the only customer there, so all eyes are on you and that could be a bit of pressure. But if you don't care about that, male female ratio will be very favorable.

  5. #15126

    Bats

    I visit BATS tonight. What a disappointment. There were a total of about ten fairly well-dressed FLs. But, they were rather old and ugly. It was all very amusing and horrifying at the same time. There were old men dancing with each other while FLs sat smoking like chimneys looking at them.

    I'm not sure if there is some sort of cover to enter BATS. When I went there, they asked me if I was staying at the hotel and asked to see my key card. Then when I showed it to them, they "opened" a closed lane to walk through to the bar.

    Two FLs came and joined me while I was hanging out by myself. I couldn't even muster excitement at even talking with them. It was bad.

    I found only one girl who seemed in the 20's and attractive but I didn't make a move on her holding out for something better. I saw that girl not even able to walk straight so I figured this could be a case where she lands on a bed and crashes to sleep. But, I and hindsight, I could have had her. I saw some heavy negotiations taking place. I figured more FLs would arrive but none did. I went after 11:30 and stuck around till 2 am wondering if I came in far too early.

    I thought the band was decent enough.

    Don't think I'm going to head anywhere at 3 am, but will hit up other things tomorrow. Not sure if there are daytime options, but I read that one can hit Classic around 4:30 pm. I wonder if any of the "spa" places might be open earlier, or a soapy or something.

  6. #15125
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    I am curious where that is. Doesn't sound like Jakarta. My apartment building in Jakarta sells for USD 140 per sq ft, and it's nothing special. I would even call it down market.
    Is your apartment a high rise building? High rise condos and apartments have higher cost per sqft because of the additional mechanical and electrical stuff needed to make high rise possible, such as elevators, lobby area, hallways, etc. For low rise dwellings it's cheaper if those things can be eliminated.

    The 10-15 USD / sqft figure is from an individual who posted on Quora (his actual reported figure is 1. 5 mil IDR / M2). Exactly where I don't know; the question is about Indonesia. I separately have a found cost quote from a construction company, for 340 USD / M2, or 34 USD / sqft, doubling the individual's figure, and this is specifically for Jakarta area. The two figures somewhat checks out, because construction company might have certain standards and also they need to make a profit. So the actual range for low rise dwelling is probably somewhere around 10-30 USD / sqft. This type of dwelling is not going to sell at the price of glitzy high rise buildings; but it will have its market.

    I, for one, only care about maximizing my in-unit space; I try to minimize public area. I think this gives the most bang for the buck.

  7. #15124
    Quote Originally Posted by BJtemp  [View Original Post]
    I just returned from Jakarta; am preparing my report. Mainly dealing with pictures, which takes a a bit longer to sort through. But I want to raise a separate question first.

    As I travel through the city, I saw one shitty neighborhood after another. At many spots right at the center of the the city, even next to the museums and govt buildings, there are building ruins. I have not seen one true "nice area" in Jakarta, and decent-condition buildings are few and far in between. I went to Mangga Dua mall; inside the mall is OK, just outside the mall... shitty.

    The sewage gutters are mostly clogged by garbage. The area around Classic is pretty old and run-down as well. It flooded after the new year eve rain.

    Why is the city so run-down?! Where are the nice areas in Jakarta (if they exist)?
    These are emerging economies. What did you expect?

    The nice areas are usually where the ambassadors and local politicians / business people live.

  8. #15123
    Quote Originally Posted by KilledSoul  [View Original Post]
    Online dating in Asia works only if you are white looking (you needn't to be white). Would like to know how Mr. ENT scores so well in Thai online scene even being a non-white.
    Yes, you would be correct. I guess that's not so much different than dating elsewhere 😀 or anything else haha. But we got to play the game with the cards we were dealt.

  9. #15122

    Online dating in Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Maila  [View Original Post]
    I decided to try social media, specifically Tinder. Having no luck on that thing. What puzzles me is that these women either don't talk or if they do, it's in one syllable. You ask them a small question as a conversation starter and I just get a "why" or something. I guess these are not all working women, otherwise, one could just ask for their rate directly.

    These tinder matches just go nowhere for me. Not liking it.

    I also understand other people would have a different experience based on their background / demographics.
    Online dating in Asia works only if you are white looking (you needn't to be white). Would like to know how Mr. ENT scores so well in Thai online scene even being a non-white.

  10. #15121
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoothy  [View Original Post]
    LOL! Good luck. You obviously have never been caught up in one of those raids and have no clue what happens when those cops arrive.
    So it will be better to stay in my hotels Classic and be Fashion for action during my first visit in Jakarta and buy some GFE from CJ and BATS. So sad. But I can try some window shopping in Kotah Indah and Kelapa Garding along with. LOL.

  11. #15120
    Quote Originally Posted by Maila  [View Original Post]
    Well, the Indonesian government has already announced that it's building a new capital city on a different island.
    President announced a 10 year plan to transfer all government offices to the new proposed capital city in Islands of Borneo at the area of East Kalimantan. Is that the reason for all these raids? Shifting the action places in Kotah Indah and followed by other places first to the proposed capital followed by government offices. Then it will be easy to shift the mongers. LOL.

  12. #15119
    Quote Originally Posted by BJtemp  [View Original Post]
    That just means buying at higher ground location, no? Maybe my inland property will one day become oceanfront and be worth more. =).
    Well, the Indonesian government has already announced that it's building a new capital city on a different island.

  13. #15118
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050. Works out perfectly with the 30 year contract!

    Bangkok is the other scary SEA city to invest in as it will be sitting below sea level by 2030!
    Supposedly they are moving the capital from Jakarta to Kalimantan.

  14. #15117
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaBoi  [View Original Post]
    In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050. Works out perfectly with the 30 year contract!

    Bangkok is the other scary SEA city to invest in as it will be sitting below sea level by 2030!
    That just means buying at higher ground location, no? Maybe my inland property will one day become oceanfront and be worth more.

  15. #15116
    Quote Originally Posted by BJtemp  [View Original Post]
    For personal use, a property in Jakarta can be made as nice as I want and bypass all that hotel checking stuff. As an investment, Jakarta is one of the most potential in all Asia. And the price is very low (USD10-15 per sqft) so downside is minimal. My agent says those ruined homes are worth just USD20 K. I see buying in Jakarta as pure win situation.
    In case you weren't aware, Jakarta is the fastest sinking city in the world and expected to be underwater by 2050. Works out perfectly with the 30 year contract!

    Bangkok is the other scary SEA city to invest in as it will be sitting below sea level by 2030!

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