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  1. #16035

    Nice value-add

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanny  [View Original Post]
    I've seen a lot of comments lately, people asking for basic info of where to find the women, where to find the spas, etc.

    I have created a very handy map, having done a lot of research before my trip to Jakarta for the first time, next week.

    My Jakarta Day Spa, Nightlife and Tourist Map.

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/ed...bw&usp=sharing
    Good mapping. Great to see a newbie make a post with some actual value addition rather than asking the same questions answered multiple times before.

  2. #16034
    Quote Originally Posted by FreakyMango  [View Original Post]
    BATS is the best pickup in Jakarta as on date.
    Any intel on CJ's?

  3. #16033
    Quote Originally Posted by RedRobin3092  [View Original Post]
    Can somebody confirm if BATS is back to normal? How is the scene? Do they still have ladies nights on Wednesdays? Planning to visit next month.
    BATS is the best pickup in Jakarta as on date. The selection is pretty good on all days of the week. The going rate is 1 million IDR for 1 shot and 2 million for the night + taxi.

  4. #16032

    This would still spoil the market and introduce a dual-pricing system at some point

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    I have formed the impression that around 300 k is a standard tip that will be considered decent
    Back in the day when Geylang in Singapore was alive and kicking, Indo FLs and the Thai houses started a dual pricing system, where bules had to pay double that of mongers of Asian descent. This was a result of too many bules tipping huge amounts and feeling guilt and that they need to act as the Red Cross.

    If Indonesia is on the radar of 2-week millionaires or becomes the next Thailand, this will happen.

  5. #16031
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonz0  [View Original Post]
    ... Saying that something is standard, implies that it is generally accepted. Based on the other posts here, and now your current post, this doesn't appear to be the case. There isn't a generally accepted minimum tip. I think you should have said in your earlier post, that giving a 300 k minimum tip was your personal view...
    Everybody here is expressing their personal view of what is generally accepted, based on their experiences and impressions. It happens that Classic, Travel and Malioboro are my favorite places to monger. I have been going there (intermittently) for years. I must have slept with several hundred girls in those establishments. It is based on those experiences that I have formed the impression that around 300 k is a standard tip that will be considered decent and neither impress nor disappoint much. Many other members have stated on this forum at various times that they don't even like those establishments, and I guess they don't spend much time there either. To each his own, but perhaps it also has something to do precisely with not working out / accepting the pricing / tipping system. Some places in Jakarta are cheaper than these, but tend to have very low hygiene standards (no or dirty shower, dirty bed). But many are more expensive, and some are much more expensive. E. g. Zen Club Thamrin. Prices there start a bit over 3 million per hour and go up to 6 million. Not including tip. And personally I don't even find the Zen girls that attractive. What I like about a place like Classic is that the rooms are spotless, the basic price of girls is low and their rewards are instead in the form of tips, which gives them an incentive to perform well. If the customer understands and accepts the system.

    I like to sleep with several girls in a row on the same night. This gives me some additional impressions of how tips are perceived. The girls share information with each other and how much you tip may therefore influence how the other girls and mamasans relate to you. If you tip much less than 300 k, they are likely to be less friendly and less service-minded. Sometimes I also tip a mamasan 100 k if she brings me a girl that performs really well. That can have a great effect.

    Obviously any tipping involves an element of subjectivity. If you ask what is the usual tip in a restaurant in the US, in Germany, in Japan etc. , people. Including locals. Will also give you different answers. At the same time, there are certain levels that will substantially reduce the risk of the waiter spitting in your dish in the kitchen the next time you visit the restaurant. I don't understand all the moral indignation here on the forum about different views on levels of tipping.

  6. #16030

    FollowUP

    Guys / Seniors,

    Any pointers appreciated. If not any leads pm me please? I will reciprocate my leads in IN if anyone keen.

  7. #16029
    I've seen a lot of comments lately, people asking for basic info of where to find the women, where to find the spas, etc.

    I have created a very handy map, having done a lot of research before my trip to Jakarta for the first time, next week.

    My Jakarta Day Spa, Nightlife and Tourist Map.

    https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/ed...bw&usp=sharing

  8. #16028

    Not true

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfinho  [View Original Post]
    The Cucumber is talking about places where the girls are captive and have to take on all comers. It is the assembly line functional encounter.
    1. They have chosen the line of work, nobody forced them.

    2. They have a right to refuse a customer. I have seen it first hand many times.

    3. Half of them are freelancers and are allowed to leave at any time. The other half, who have taken on debt, are only restricted from leaving until they pay back what they owe. It's the same as locals who have taken on unsecured loans from financial institutions not being allowed to travel overseas until they pay back what they owe. Or employers confiscating passports of KITAS holders.

    Please let's not turn Indonesia into the next Thailand or Cambodia. I will for sure keep the non-mainstream places to myself only, as the last thing we need is bules spoiling the market.

  9. #16027
    Quote Originally Posted by BKKguru  [View Original Post]
    You worked hard to post your questions in multiple places.

    It is my pleasure to welcome you to Jakarta. I will wash and get the RED Carpet ready for your arrival.
    Anything else I can do for you, Sir?

    ~BKKguru.
    Does anyone know where there is info on pickup locations in Jakarta and hotels that I can stay at? Perhaps reviews from hundreds of guys who have done trips previously? Some sort of an online forum with decades of history would be even better.

    I've got no idea where I could find anything like that but suggestions are welcome.

    Regards. G.

  10. #16026
    Quote Originally Posted by Mkkamk  [View Original Post]
    Coming into town in a month. <snip>
    You worked hard to post your questions in multiple places.

    It is my pleasure to welcome you to Jakarta. I will wash and get the RED Carpet ready for your arrival.
    Anything else I can do for you, Sir?

    ~BKKguru.

  11. #16025

    Hotel and clubs

    Coming into town in a month. Like to stay where the action is. What hotels have clubs attached to them? Also where are the hot spots now. Been to Bats and CJs. But also looking for other options. Thanks. PM if you don't want to post is fine. Thanks.

  12. #16024
    Quote Originally Posted by Gonz0  [View Original Post]
    This doesn't match what you posted previously about a standard minimum tip, which was the main cause of confusion for me.

    Saying that something is standard, implies that it is generally accepted. Based on the other posts here, and now your current post, this doesn't appear to be the case. There isn't a generally accepted minimum tip. I think you should have said in your earlier post, that giving a 300 k minimum tip was your personal view.

    Thanks to all the members who have provided information about their opinions of appropriate tipping.
    The Cucumber is talking about places where the girls are captive and have to take on all comers. It is the assembly line functional encounter. If he wants to tip in that environment for that kind of experience and that's what makes him feel good, well it's nothing worth thinking about. Go to these places once and it will be clear to you.

  13. #16023

    Eastern Europeans

    Hi,

    I'll be in Jakarta in a few of weeks. Can anyone share, besides Malio, what other establishments can I find eastern European girls and what are the damages likes?

    Thanks.

  14. #16022
    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    We are discussing Classic, Travel, and Malioboro where there is a non-negotiable basic price set by the establishment, and a 100% voluntary tip which is entirely at the discretion of the customer.
    This doesn't match what you posted previously about a standard minimum tip, which was the main cause of confusion for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    300 000 is a standard minimum tip.
    Saying that something is standard, implies that it is generally accepted. Based on the other posts here, and now your current post, this doesn't appear to be the case. There isn't a generally accepted minimum tip. I think you should have said in your earlier post, that giving a 300 k minimum tip was your personal view.

    Thanks to all the members who have provided information about their opinions of appropriate tipping.

  15. #16021

    It provides less incentive to provide a better service

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    Again, how exactly does higher tipping spoil the market?
    As much as I adore those sweet and submissive LBFMs, they tend to get lazy and not provide a good service because they assume the next dumb and naive bule would still tip them 200 or 300 K regardless. Let's not even get to the constant pestering for "money tips" or those silly things they do when you are about to leave the room and they aren't happy with the 100 K. Again, this only happens in the mainstream places like Travel, Classic, Malio, etc. Where bules frequent.

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