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  1. #16020

    Spoiling the market

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippos  [View Original Post]
    Agreed on spoiling the market by over tipping....
    Again, how exactly does higher tipping spoil the market? The basic price at the establishments we are discussing is non-negotiable and has been fixed for at least the past five years. That price doesn't go up just because somebody else pays a higher tip, not for them and not for you. And how much you tip is entirely up to you and you do not reveal it until after the act. So how is the market spoiled?!

    If we were talking about freelancing streetwalkers, BATS, CJ's etc. Where the price is negotiated individually in advance of the act then of course the picture would be different. But that is not what we are discussing. We are discussing Classic, Travel, and Malioboro where there is a non-negotiable basic price set by the establishment, and a 100% voluntary tip which is entirely at the discretion of the customer.

  2. #16019

    Tip + Spoiling the market + Service

    Agreed on spoiling the market by over tipping but at the same time, depends on level of service I received. At classic or similar establishments, I've tipped 100-150 to the girls that gave me amazing service, same goes for other places, at same time I deliberately tipped 50 to girls who were persistent on lady drinks and provided shitty service just to send a strong msg that "you need to up your service".

    Language could be a challenge in conversing with some but telling her what you want using signs or common words, they understands pretty good.

    Some brothers mentioned about Malioboro! Not my usual place as I find it's overpriced for Indon girls which I can get similar standard through my Indonesian friends from a non-pro for a fair amount and 90% of the time, they provide top notch service and they get the tip for it. Does one need to tip 200-300 because it's Malioboro, absolutely not! Even if you are taking Easter European form there. Like I said, it all depends on you and the service you received.

    Another scenario of good tips, I met a young MILF from backpage (definitely before Trump time) and we agreed on 3 shot 4/5 hrs. She ended up staying until the morning without demanding extra for her time and service was one of the best I have received in my life. She even offered to drive me to eat breakfast! Initial agreed amount was 750 for her time and she left with additional 250 tips and we both were happy. On her second visit, she even brought food for us.

    I'm contrary, tip based on Place, Looks and service. You got shitty service, just come out and walk away. You got decent service, tip decent and on. But it's important to remember, if you are getting service for 365/ shot, it's not necessary to tip 250 as that will definitely set the bar to the highest expectations and service will mostly likely decline from that certain individual.

    Blues definitely have increased the market for these non-pro escorts because they knows pretty well, they won't be getting similar amount from locals, doesn't matter whether it's a super model from Bats.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgyMongerNew  [View Original Post]
    A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.

    By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.

    I am beginning to understand why there is a need to keep non-mainstream brothels hush-hush and not here on a public forum.

  3. #16018

    Be Fashion Spa latest report

    Folks,

    Its been 2 years to Jakarta, coming next week. Is the Be fashion spa still providing the package massage esp tiger claw? If not, any other Spa recommendation with blissful service? Guidance is appreciated.

  4. #16017

    Escorts / Outcall

    Hi all, heading to Jakarta for a short work trip. Doubtful will have time to head out to Classic or Malio etc. Any reliable recommendations for outcalls / escorts? Lots of twitter listings but no idea if reliable.

  5. #16016
    Based on experience and applying a theoretical 100 k tip, there are a number of factors which influence how well (or poorly) the tip is received.

    Variables include:

    1. The quality of the establishment.

    2. The rapport built between the two parties (party be being polite and making Party A laugh).

    3. The gap size in age and physical appearance of the two parties (the bigger the gap, the bigger the tip required to satiate Party A).

    4. Indonesian language fluency (outward indicator of local knowledge and adds to rapport building).

    If you can work 3 out of those 4 variables in your favour, then a 100 k tip is at most warmly received and at least, accepted without fuss.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    People occasionally make this point about spoiling the market by paying too much. I find it very difficult to understand that logic. At the places we are discussing, the basic price is non-negotiable, and the tip is up to the customer. The effect of what you see as high tipping by some bule should then logically be that the girls give better service to other bule in the hope of getting a similarly high tip again. So the higher tipper is in fact subsidizing the low tipper. Not ruining the market.

    Concerning claims about 100 k being normal, I can't remember ever having been with a girl at one of these establishments who would be happy with such a tip. As far as I can see, expectations are clearly higher. Personally I don't think paying a total of 47 USD including tip for ok sex with a 19 year old with a perfect body is expensive.

  6. #16015
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicJakarta  [View Original Post]
    Bats is open, but not really busy yet. Might be because there is still not many bules around.
    Thank you! Been more than 2 years. Looking forward to getting back to twice a year visit soon!

  7. #16014
    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    I agree if she does a total starfish, you can tip less, 100 or 200 k. But I would only tip 0 she is actually aggressive or quarrelsome.
    Paying a 19-year old with a pretty face and a perfect body a 70 buck tip to do those things I consider a bargain.
    The question is why tipping for a starfish? I don't even pay for starfish. I sent her packing and take another one period. I m not here to get her out of poverty or make her believe I m a gentleman. She s a hooker I pay for a service not to give money to the Red Cross.

  8. #16013

    Ruining the market?

    Quote Originally Posted by EgyMongerNew  [View Original Post]
    A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.

    By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.

    I am beginning to understand why there is a need to keep non-mainstream brothels hush-hush and not here on a public forum.
    People occasionally make this point about spoiling the market by paying too much. I find it very difficult to understand that logic. At the places we are discussing, the basic price is non-negotiable, and the tip is up to the customer. The effect of what you see as high tipping by some bule should then logically be that the girls give better service to other bule in the hope of getting a similarly high tip again. So the higher tipper is in fact subsidizing the low tipper. Not ruining the market.

    Concerning claims about 100 k being normal, I can't remember ever having been with a girl at one of these establishments who would be happy with such a tip. As far as I can see, expectations are clearly higher. Personally I don't think paying a total of 47 USD including tip for ok sex with a 19 year old with a perfect body is expensive.

  9. #16012
    Just today, Indonesia has updated the rules again, now you don't need a PCR test before arrival.

  10. #16011
    Quote Originally Posted by EgyMongerNew  [View Original Post]
    A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.
    Sorry if my post was not clear. I am not telling people how much to tip. I will be visiting Jakarta later this year and I'm asking for clarification about how much to tip.

    Information on tipping posted here is confusing. I don't want to over tip but I want to give the girl a fair reward if her service is good.

    If you can advise me of what is approptiate I would appreciate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by EgyMongerNew  [View Original Post]
    By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.
    I agree. The minimum tip information doesn't make sense. But after reading about it in a recent post, I did a search and found that other people had also posted about it. Only about Malioboro. Where does this minimum tip information come from? As I said before, the information is confusing but this forum is my main source of information.

  11. #16010
    Bats is open, but not really busy yet. Might be because there is still not many bules around.

    Quote Originally Posted by RedRobin3092  [View Original Post]
    Can somebody confirm if BATS is back to normal? How is the scene? Do they still have ladies nights on Wednesdays? Planning to visit next month.

  12. #16009

    Bats

    Can somebody confirm if BATS is back to normal? How is the scene? Do they still have ladies nights on Wednesdays? Planning to visit next month.

  13. #16008

    No need to spoil the market for the rest of us

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonz0  [View Original Post]
    Thanks. I've read before that at most places, for basic service 100 k tip was ok.

    I've read about it here before for Malio - 200 K minimum tip, and now 300 k minimum tip.
    A tip based on what exactly? Most locals tip and certainly not higher than 100 K only if they get BBFS+CIP.

    By giving them 200 or 300 K for almost nothing in return other than you feeling emotional and sorry for their perceived income, service quality will drop significantly for the next bule they come across.

    I am beginning to understand why there is a need to keep non-mainstream brothels hush-hush and not here on a public forum.

  14. #16007
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicJakarta  [View Original Post]
    Just as a reference, most locals in Jakarta tip 50 to 100 k.
    Thanks. I've read before that at most places, for basic service 100 k tip was ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    Management has no expectation for how much you should tip. It is an issue to be resolved between you (your willingness to pay) and the girl (her performance) and ultimately it is up to you.
    I've read about it here before for Malio - 200 K minimum tip, and now 300 k minimum tip.

    If management has no expectation about how much you tip, then how can it be said that there is a minimum tip? Where does this minimum tip information come from?

    Am I misunderstanding this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cucumber  [View Original Post]
    As I have written here before, I find it highly advantageous to be transparent tell her before the session: "good service, good tip; very good service, very good tip; very, very good service, very very good tip. Bad service, no tip". This doesn't always work, but often it does and it has sometimes given me some unbelievable performances. If she has a feeling you are a cheap charlie, she is going to be much less likely to put in a good effort.
    Do you state the amount that you are prepared to tip or just leave it at no tip, good tip, very good tip?

    Do you show her the money?

  15. #16006
    Quote Originally Posted by ClassicJakarta  [View Original Post]
    Just as a reference, most locals in Jakarta tip 50 to 100 k.
    I fully agree.

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