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  1. #14370

    Looks.

    NI,

    I was trying to say the same thing that you have described. Yours sounds more "what to wear" compared to mine "what not to wear" there are significant differences between our dress code compared to the crowd I'm referring to and also the negotiation skills.

    I wish I could post a picture of the outfit these certain kind of crowd wears but I'm going to strongly refrain myself from doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by NewImage  [View Original Post]
    Agree with Z's comments but something interesting.
    My usual garb for BC is sneakers, blue jeans and a black t shirt. Sometimes I wear a polo and better dress pants with casual shoes but find first set of clothes gives a casual look. Now this does not mean sloppy, smelly and unkempt look. Hygiene is very important too.
    I have quite a muscular frame and try to act confidently but definitely not arrogantly. I am over 55 but am not trying to look like a 20 something cool dude. Works for me. (or is it just my money. Does clothes maketh the man?
    And yes my opening offer for ST is always 350 plus 50/100 tip for performance.
    NI.

  2. #14369

    Just a comment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippos  [View Original Post]
    Bro,
    If you shows up in BC / TC wearing Sneaker, Jeans, Long sleeves shirt with an aroma of cumin mixed up with sweat and start bargaining half price of what girls are asking. Chances are you won't get far!
    In one sentence. RTFF, Play smart and Play right. Happy Safe mongering.
    Agree with Z's comments but something interesting.
    My usual garb for BC is sneakers, blue jeans and a black t shirt. Sometimes I wear a polo and better dress pants with casual shoes but find first set of clothes gives a casual look. Now this does not mean sloppy, smelly and unkempt look. Hygiene is very important too.
    I have quite a muscular frame and try to act confidently but definitely not arrogantly. I am over 55 but am not trying to look like a 20 something cool dude. Works for me. (or is it just my money. Does clothes maketh the man?
    And yes my opening offer for ST is always 350 plus 50/100 tip for performance.
    NI.

  3. #14368

    Sticky.

    Good advice bud. Forum should make a sticky note of it. For the sake of it, you should add "Knowledge is power and patience is a virtue of RTFF" lmao.

    Best read ever "A famous man once said "God helps those who help themselves" which has got nothing to do with shoplifting."

    Quote Originally Posted by NewImage  [View Original Post]
    See that search box up on right hand side. That could be helpful with specific place or phrase. Ala Beach Club / Soapy massage. Have you consulted "Reports of Distinction"?

    When asking a question best begin with some knowledge gleamed from forum " So I have read from the forum that FL from BC for ST were 400 in 2018 or a report by BP said that. ".

    Also when looking for detail you want it to be current so things like prices don't bother going back any further than a year, with places maybe 2 years at most. If you have gone back 130 pages time to stop my friend..

  4. #14367

    Race factors.

    Bro,

    Before it gets too far, This is a very helpful forum when it comes to gather intel on mongering scene and RTFF is the only way to accomplish that. We all read pages over pages and established our own mongering tactics.

    Skyler, Black Page and New Image. They are very helpful guys and simply pointing you to the right direction. There are no straight answers for intel but to gather yourself. We can all tell you prices and places but would you score the same deal as others does based on their skills, Probably not! That's where RTFF comes in handy.

    When mongering in Asia, a race factor does plays a big role but luckily you are doing that in KL and you got the upper hand because of multi diversity. If it makes you feel better, Because of my mix race and complexion, I can blend in as an Indian, Arab, Latino and somewhat Caucasian if the light is dim and Girl is drunk. LOL. Just do your research, play your game right and the trophy is yours (for that night. LOL) If you shows up in BC / TC wearing Sneaker, Jeans, Long sleeves shirt with an aroma of cumin mixed up with sweat and start bargaining half price of what girls are asking. Chances are you won't get far! That's where forum reading comes in handy on what to bargain for.

    Once I met a model looking Thai mixed with Spanish girl in Bangkok and she told me straight up "no Indian". Luckily my North American accent came in to rescue and girl changed her mind and I knew where she got the impression and I don't blame her for a bit and till this day, every time I go to Bangkok, she makes sure to hands me her ass on a platter! How did I manage to score that! Short answer RTFF.

    In one sentence. RTFF, Play smart and Play right. Happy Safe mongering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veejay  [View Original Post]
    I am grateful for that. Thanks. I am trying but on pg 130 out of 15000, so would be a while before I complete my RTFF.

    Somehow bizarrely my questions seem to have introduced race into the mix (not you, not you, but comments from Stykler / Black page / New Image etc.), so guess no more questions from me.

  5. #14366

    A few hints.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veejay  [View Original Post]
    I am grateful for that. Thanks. I am trying but on pg 130 out of 15000, so would be a while before I complete my RTFF.
    Somehow bizarrely my questions seem to have introduced race into the mix (not you, not you, but comments from Stykler / Black page / New Image etc.), so guess no more questions from me.
    See that search box up on right hand side. That could be helpful with specific place or phrase. Ala Beach Club / Soapy massage. Have you consulted "Reports of Distinction"?

    When asking a question best begin with some knowledge gleamed from forum " So I have read from the forum that FL from BC for ST were 400 in 2018 or a report by BP said that. ".

    Also when looking for detail you want it to be current so things like prices don't bother going back any further than a year, with places maybe 2 years at most. If you have gone back 130 pages time to stop my friend.

    As for the race thing, if I were a hot looking 28 year old English boy than this would affect my ability to pick up and pricing. Be it right or wrong its important to play the hand you are dealt and its no good sooking about what you can't change.

    A famous man once said "God helps those who help themselves " which has got nothing to do with shoplifting.

    NI.

  6. #14365
    Quote Originally Posted by NewImage  [View Original Post]
    .....I am going soon in June so will test the waters. I have found being a Caucasian Western man who presents ok works in my favour. Also my MO maybe helps, I think. Like usual will report in detail and hopefully pay prices less than 600ST....

    NI.
    Thanks mate. Do let us know if the rates remain the same as before. By the way, my friend ended up picking up the girl for 700 LT since he was leaving the following day.

  7. #14364

    Speak to SP.

    Don't let that throw you off! Tell the SP / Handler of your requirements and be specific about pictures matching the girl. Also, tell him about paying the girl not the driver and be firm about it. Worst case of Scenario, hand driver an envelope and driver can count the money while waiting for pickup. If we all are firm about it, I don't see any reason for them not to agree. At least you can try.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargano19  [View Original Post]
    I have always hated this paying to driver approach. Back when I was living in Delhi, many SPs used to scam like this. Some bring the wrong girl and only shows you after full payment, some just runs after payment, and not counting the fact that it's quite embarrassing.

    I was coming to KL in couple of months for business, and thought would give it a try here, but now knowing that this is how most of the times payments happens, I might not indulge in mongering at all.

  8. #14363

    Not trying to be judgmental but

    Quote Originally Posted by WildInstincts  [View Original Post]
    I know where you are going. Yes, I'm an Indian expat working in KL. If you arrive at the conclusion that is the reason behind the inflated quote by the girls, mind you I never had a problem taking girls for the going rate. Again, I'm not here to prove a point that one place is better than the other. If someone says that the prices remain the same after testing the waters, I'm more than happy to know. It's always better to have an option closer to home.
    P. S: You may have forgotten, we have exchanged PMs on BC scene.
    Have found that some (not all) WG have a preference for Caucasian men and esp Asian men. Don't worry I know I come second to Japanese, Korean and other wealthy money splurging Asians, thus seldom do I roam at Thai Club. I am going soon in June so will test the waters. I have found being a Caucasian Western man who presents ok works in my favour. Also my MO maybe helps, I think. Like usual will report in detail and hopefully pay prices less than 600ST.

    Quite frankly if I was in the this business rejecting a customer for 400 is ludicrous esp when you consider many nights they go home penniless.

    NI.

  9. #14362
    Quote Originally Posted by IrishMongrel  [View Original Post]
    Gave you the benefit of the doubt when I answered your question a couple of weeks ago about Ramadan. But come on mate, didn't you get the hint then and actually do a bit of reading of the forum.
    I am grateful for that. Thanks. I am trying but on pg 130 out of 15000, so would be a while before I complete my RTFF.

    Somehow bizarrely my questions seem to have introduced race into the mix (not you, not you, but comments from Stykler / Black page / New Image etc.), so guess no more questions from me.

  10. #14361
    Quote Originally Posted by NewImage  [View Original Post]
    Are you of Indian descent?

    NI.
    I know where you are going. Yes, I'm an Indian expat working in KL. If you arrive at the conclusion that is the reason behind the inflated quote by the girls, mind you I never had a problem taking girls for the going rate. Again, I'm not here to prove a point that one place is better than the other. If someone says that the prices remain the same after testing the waters, I'm more than happy to know. It's always better to have an option closer to home.

    P. S: You may have forgotten, we have exchanged PMs on BC scene.

  11. #14360
    Quote Originally Posted by Veejay  [View Original Post]
    Hi bros,

    Visiting KL next month and planning for day / night entertainment and company. Does KL have Thai style soapy massage places? Would kill for a soapy massage. Also, when it comes to FLs, what is a average outcall rate for 2 hours in say Thai or Beach cafe?

    Don't have much to give back now, but promise to write a detailed FR.

    Ciao.
    Gave you the benefit of the doubt when I answered your question a couple of weeks ago about Ramadan. But come on mate, didn't you get the hint then and actually do a bit of reading of the forum.

  12. #14359
    Quote Originally Posted by Zippos  [View Original Post]
    LOL. One only knows who have experienced the awkwardness. My situation was bit different. I was staying at the 16th floor and handler confirmed of arrival of the girl. I was never told about paying the driver strategy, so went downstairs with excitement to pickup the girl without carrying money. After confirming the girl as I was about to walk in to the hotel, driver tells me to pay him or else girl won't be going anywhere! This is happening at the front porch while everyone is watching me!

    So, I went up to the room while giving earful to the handler and got money. Went downstairs again and paid the driver who started counting the money and once satisfied, he shook my hand and signal the girl to follow me. Whole scene reminds me of a movie filmed in Detroit dealing with gangster. LOL. As I'm walking in with the girl, I saw everyone's eyes is glued in us. It was the longest walk and elevator trip of my life!

    To add more, awkwardness counties when after doing the deed 2 x we literally felt exhausted, specially me after long flights and not being used to with the heat and humidity! Both of us fell on sleep. Got woken up by phone ringing in my room from hotel security asking if the girl is still in the room!

    Overall, girl was very nice and friendly and pretty good action. At the end, happy go lucky.
    I have always hated this paying to driver approach. Back when I was living in Delhi, many SPs used to scam like this. Some bring the wrong girl and only shows you after full payment, some just runs after payment, and not counting the fact that it's quite embarrassing.

    I was coming to KL in couple of months for business, and thought would give it a try here, but now knowing that this is how most of the times payments happens, I might not indulge in mongering at all.

  13. #14358

    Hey WI just wondering?

    Quote Originally Posted by WildInstincts  [View Original Post]
    Not too long ago. Just over a month. I used to take out LT for about 500 in BC. My last trip made me wonder.
    Are you of Indian descent?

    NI.

  14. #14357
    Quote Originally Posted by BionicMan  [View Original Post]
    Take a plane and fly in neighbouring countries, s but then factor the airfare.
    True. One goes out to the neighboring countries at least on a 4 to 5 days trip. The airfare and accommodation cost levels out and at times little more pricier than KL mongering. But you get better quality and service.

  15. #14356
    Quote Originally Posted by NewImage  [View Original Post]
    Was there July 2018 and girls consistently happy with 400 from me?

    600 myr = over 200 AD. Won't be paying that!

    NI.
    Not too long ago. Just over a month. I used to take out LT for about 500 in BC. My last trip made me wonder.

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