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[Black Page]

I have never seen any violence in Santa Fe at all. I have never even been inside of La Piscina but that is the point where I tell the taxi driver to drop me off. I only deal with the SWs and Casa Workers. The streets are full of people. You have to realize there are many bars and clubs on those few streets (kinda like a poorer version of Burbon Street in New Orleans). I just can't imagine people there going up to random foreigners to assault them. Maybe there could be a remote possibility if you went down a dark alley, but just walking around the streets I would say there is a near 100% chance that no one will come up fucking with you for the wrong reasons.

After having written that Santa Fe is not "the most dangerous part of Bogota" and that it is "dangerous but manageable", now I begin to feel worried, if someone seems to milden things too much. I dont want any newcomers may get the impression that Santa Fe would be quiet and comfortable like a Swiss public garden.

No, it is not. It's a place where some wolves are around. Be a lamb, and they prey on you.

Let me link some previous posts. I hope these will convince people that caution is always necessary, without getting paranoid on the other extreme.

Santa Fe is dangerous, but don't wander out of it at night: surrounding streets are bad. Streets where to not venture (if you have eyes, you should understand that when you see it, even without reading this).
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1106461

After hours in Santa Fe and beyond, I. E. The only time I took a clearly unnecessary risk and I did something I would not repeat in Santa Fe, trusting my instinct (wrong thing to do here). Going to an amanacedero in the Deep South of Bogota at 3am, following an over-sniffing teen and her sister out of Atunes.
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1070487

When I was robbered in Santa Fe at 7pm by two young teen boys with old knife.
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...l=1#post824049

I add that a night in Manizalitas a very clever girl managed to take off my wallet from my FRONT pocket of my pants (it sounds incredible, but she succeeded: one hand on my dick, the other on my wallet) , remove the 25k I had, leave it to fall on the floor when I realized I was without wallet (I'm used to check every 30 secs or so).
I did not make a trouble, because I was not sure if the people in Manizalitas would have supported me or the girl. I behaved like I did not realize that she took the money from the wallet. We went out and I told her "you must be happy tonite. wow! you know it's 25k? I wanted to give you more for a fu*ck...". She disappeared in one of the doors on the street.

In short: have fun, enjoy girls, music and beers, but be always on alert.

[Mr Enternational]

Has anyone ever witnessed any real violence toward gringos inside of a Santa Fe club-especially La Piscina? I've heard the stories that are meant to scare folks away, but, whats the 411?

I have never seen any violence in Santa Fe at all. I have never even been inside of La Piscina but that is the point where I tell the taxi driver to drop me off. I only deal with the SWs and Casa Workers. The streets are full of people. You have to realize there are many bars and clubs on those few streets (kinda like a poorer version of Burbon Street in New Orleans). I just can't imagine people there going up to random foreigners to assault them. Maybe there could be a remote possibility if you went down a dark alley, but just walking around the streets I would say there is a near 100% chance that no one will come up fucking with you for the wrong reasons.

[Viajero]

Fellow deviants,

Just wondering if anyone had any info on fincas just outside of Bogota or Medellin (don't want to have to travel too far from the city) for holiday / vacation rental? I hear the chicas love to be swept off to a secluded hideaway (as long as you're not wearing FARC uniforms). I would probably only do this with a non-pro, but, having easily started such relationships in the past in Bogota, I'd like to be ready next time. One thing that it seems all Colombians appreciate is the value of land-stems from the old economienda system of colonial days I guess.

Thanks in advance.

Rodeo

Rodeo, I know in Medellin they have fincas in Santa Ellena and Copacabana about an hour or less away from the city, but I don't know any in Bogota. I am sure they exist since the surrounding area of Bogota are breathtaking.

[Rodeo9112]

Fellow deviants,

Just wondering if anyone had any info on fincas just outside of Bogota or Medellin (don't want to have to travel too far from the city) for holiday / vacation rental? I hear the chicas love to be swept off to a secluded hideaway (as long as you're not wearing FARC uniforms). I would probably only do this with a non-pro, but, having easily started such relationships in the past in Bogota, I'd like to be ready next time. One thing that it seems all Colombians appreciate is the value of land-stems from the old economienda system of colonial days I guess.

Thanks in advance.

Rodeo

[Rodeo9112]

Has anyone ever witnessed any real violence toward gringos inside of a Santa Fe club-especially La Piscina? I've heard the stories that are meant to scare folks away, but, whats the 411?

Rodeo

[Ricker]

... Well At 9:30PM my plan was to make it back to the La Piscina place I went earlier today. It's a huge place, beers are only $2USD and the quality of chicks is supposed to be incredible. Anyways, two taxi drivers told me I would get knifed or killed there at this time of night ...

... what the taxi driver told you was just to scare you and make you go to the upscale club were they get a nice commission for bringing gringos in. (it happen to me 2). I bet he toke you to the stripclubs by Zona Rosa.

Yepppp, exactly what Lusifer says, those taxistas are getting kickbacks for scaring you away from the Santa Fe area and taking you to these high end, high priced places.

Happen to me too, when I was just getting my feet wet in Colombia.

Too bad, 'cause you probably would have had fun and a different impression of the city if your original plan would have gone through.

[FoxDirect]

Sound like a couple of clip joints to me. You should have stayed around Santa Fe and gotten your dick wet for what 1 cerveza cost you at one of those places.

Agreed! But, I'm much happier in Medellin with $15 pussy and $1 beers.

[Mr Enternational]

So instead I went to Extasis and another spot in a different side of town. Had a $12. 50USD beer at both. Then I headed to a really upscale place. The beer was $20 USD. FUCK. BUT. The girls were truly incredible. I'd say some of the hottest fucking girls I've ever seen in my life. It was mind numbing how hot these chicks were. I choose my favorite and she (a solid 9 in my book) sat down. Her ladies drink would have been $25USD so I stalled her and we mingled for a while. Then onto the business. There was a house fee of $132, 000 ($66 USD) right off the top. FUCK. Then she asked me for 600, 000! That's fucking $300 USD! I negotiated her from my offer of $150K down to $450, 000 but she wouldn't budge a bit lower. There was no way I'm paying $225 + 66 = basically $300 USD for only ONE FUCKING POP and one hour of time. NO WAY. Instead, I left and on my way out she told me she had a girlfriend that would go for $300, 000. (The chick was decent, nothing amazing) No thanks I said, I've already fallen in love with you, picked her up in the air and gave her a kiss on the cheek in front of all her supermodel ho friends, then walked. If you are interested in taking a look at the place (there are well over 15 smoking hot. 10 amazing and 5 decent girls in the place) It has more of a ultra-lounge atmosphere with older, rich Colombian guys in business suits, buying bottles and hot chicas.

Sound like a couple of clip joints to me. You should have stayed around Santa Fe and gotten your dick wet for what 1 cerveza cost you at one of those places.

[Paisalover]

Hi guys,

This is just a quick heads up to let you know that.

Alessandra

Will be in Bogota for another week until 1/28.

She will most likely be replaced with.

Bianca

And a friend of Bianca we just hired this week. Stay tuned for more details about these two beauties you'll be able to meet in Bogota.

Have a nice weekend,

PaisaLover.

Girlfriend 4 A Week: Colombian Girlfriends Without the Strings Attached

[Phunluv]

Well I'm back from the "field". This is a NEWBIE REPORT so take it as such and please just skip the usual batter a few of you seem to love so much. Corrections / updates / names of places however are appreciated.

Sounds like you had a bad trip. BOG is a huge city and without Spanish skills and maybe a friend or 2, it can be hard for the newbie. Too bad you didn't try La 49 (on septima and calle 49 of course). I would describe it as a midpoint in price range. I remember being there one night back in '07. A friend of mine took me there. We had a good cheap colombian chicken soup or ajiaco there at 3 in the morning, the kitchen is open all night. Drinks are reasonable but beware the private VIP section upsell. My friend and this other guy with us took a hit of acid and were tripping out the rest of the night. I don't do that stuff but this is one place in BOG you can go wild, if that's you're thing, without worrying about getting robbed (or killed, LOL).

There's tons of girls here of all kinds and colors. I got looks and even the old "butt-pinch" so these girls are a bit more aggressive than the usual LDV types. I saw a girl with the biggest knockers ever, I mean insanely humongous although she was a bit fat. She was probably working to get some money for reduction surgery, LOL! The staff are trustworthy and helpful, although they're obviously looking for tips. One guys was annoying at first, but he was helpful in the end and seemed satisfied with my 10k cop tip.

You can even hang out with some of the girls there if you can speak Spanish and are a cool laid back type of guy. My buddy never sessions with the girls but he had no problem hanging out and dancing with a couple of the chicas that already seemed to recognize him as a regular (but NOT a client).

Now I suspect prices have gone up but back in Sep. '07, I sessioned with a very nice looking girl there for 200k cop for 90 minutes (plus the bs room fee it was 280 if I remember). She wanted 150 for 45 minutes but I offered 200 for double the time and she jumped at it.

I probably could have negotiated lower given how she jumped at my offer but I wasn't feeling too aggressive or apprehensive that night so I went for it. It wasn't mind-blowing sex but I was satisfied and so was she I believe.

By the way, I'm surprised more guys don't try this strategy. If the first offer isn't a crazy one, it works pretty good. The girls hear a higher number and so jump at it. Just make sure they're committed to the extra time and services promised.

Now if the first offer is too high, then obviously don't do that, LOL! However, if a girl is asking 600K, a 150K first counteroffer is ridiculous. That's definitely unrealistic and newbie style.

You're better off NOT negotiating. Just simply state a price you're willing to pay and for how much time.

If a really hot 9 at an upscale club wants 600 and I really want her, I'll say look you're really hot and I want to get to know you better and enjoy my time with you at leisure. I can pay you 400 for 2 hours tonight or any time you can drop by my place. Check to see if she can see you some other time. Let her know you want to spend your money on HER, not the club owner and their outrageous takeout fees and drink prices. NEVER laugh at a girls 1st offer, no matter how high or ridiculous it seems. That will never help you and can actually alienate the girl. Just smile and look like you've done this many times before. Let her know you don't negotiate but this is your offer and let her know emphatically if she takes it she won't regret it and will have a great time with you.

Sometimes a girl will choose to go with you for less than what she "expects" or "deserves" because you have chosen her, you've made cleared your intent or interest. A lot of these so-called "high end" girls will quickly lose interest in you if she thinks you are just fishing around for the lowest price hottie, or you're uncertain, or don't know what you're doing. I believe that's the psychology going on here.

400k cop even in the rich part of BOG is a generous offer; if the hottie doesn't jump at it, it's 99% certain to be a bad session anyway, so either result, this approach will work out better for you in most cases.

By the way La 49 is hopping until 5 or 6 in the morning (maybe even later) so if have no luck in the upscale uptown joints (where they rob you legally) , you can try your luck at the midpriced and midtown La 49 which should be safe enough even for "newbies."

[Lusifer69]

Well I'm back from the "field". This is a NEWBIE REPORT so take it as such and please just skip the usual batter a few of you seem to love so much. Corrections / updates / names of places however are appreciated.

First day here, I went to La Piscina, I strip club in the most dangerous part of Bogota, the SanteFe "Zone of Tolerance". This area is dangerous at night and even in the daytime I never felt great there.

http://colombiapassport.com/2009/08/...-beaten-track/

I arrived too early (3PM) so nothing was going on at La Piscina, but I had some drinks with 3 white tourists, one 8. 5 chica and one 5 they managed to find somewhere for us. After a few rounds we went to another stripclub that was truly open, across the street. Nothing worth taking away but the chicks did get naked on stage on their 3rd dance.

Then I went and ate dinner and took a rest.

At 9:30PM my plan was to make it back to the La Piscina place I went earlier today. It's a huge place, beers are only $2USD and the quality of chicks is supposed to be incredible. Anyways, two taxi drivers told me I would get knifed or killed there at this time of night.

So instead I went to Extasis and another spot in a different side of town. Had a $12. 50USD beer at both. Then I headed to a really upscale place. The beer was $20 USD. FUCK. BUT. The girls were truly incredible. I'd say some of the hottest fucking girls I've ever seen in my life. It was mind numbing how hot these chicks were. I choose my favorite and she (a solid 9 in my book) sat down. Her ladies drink would have been $25USD so I stalled her and we mingled for a while. Then onto the business. There was a house fee of $132, 000 ($66 USD) right off the top. FUCK. Then she asked me for 600, 000! That's fucking $300 USD! I negotiated her from my offer of $150K down to $450, 000 but she wouldn't budge a bit lower. There was no way I'm paying $225 + 66 = basically $300 USD for only ONE FUCKING POP and one hour of time. NO WAY. Instead, I left and on my way out she told me she had a girlfriend that would go for $300, 000. (The chick was decent, nothing amazing) No thanks I said, I've already fallen in love with you, picked her up in the air and gave her a kiss on the cheek in front of all her supermodel ho friends, then walked. If you are interested in taking a look at the place (there are well over 15 smoking hot. 10 amazing and 5 decent girls in the place) It has more of a ultra-lounge atmosphere with older, rich Colombian guys in business suits, buying bottles and hot chicas. Anyways here are the directions:

Grab a cab and ask him to take you to 85 con 15. If he asks for more specific locations, or if you can't understand him, just say you want to go to the Carulla supermarket on 85 and 15. Make sure you ask the driver which direction is NORTE when getting out of the cab. . From there walk a block and a half north. On your right hand side you'll see neon lights, there are 2 or 3 clubs there. One of them is Extasis.

So, if U-turn right (towards the neon) you'll goto Extasis. But, if you continue North on down the street a ways. 3 more blocks, on the left hand side of the street you'll see doormen and possibly a lady or two outside of the high end place I mentioned.

Next up for me was one more no name place a taxi took me to where the girls were quite nice but a fucking beer cost $12. 50 USD AGAIN and I got pissed and left without ordering. On my way out they offered me $15 USD beer! I told them I wasn't a dumb gringo and left in my cab. I believe this city is seriously gringo unfriendly. But first my impression could be wrong. Anyways, I know the locals are paying WAY FUCKING less for the same shit.

So now I'm at home and ordering outcall for about $100 USD. Sucks but whatever.

Anyways, I'll leave Bogota for you guys to enjoy. I'm leaving for Medellin!

Well SantaFe is dangerous but only if you make it so. All you need to do to make it safer is stay in the st with lots off people on them and take taxis coming in and getting it of it. N what the taxi driver told you was just to scare you and make you go to the upscale club were they get a nice commission for bringing gringos in. (it happen to me 2). I bet he toke you to the stripclubs by Zona Rosa.

[FoxDirect]

LOL!

Ok, you honestly admit to be a newbie, but that does not.

Black Page,

I hope you can appreciate the fact that we both feel SF is a DANGEROUS area. Let's leave it at that.

[Black Page]

Well I'm back from the "field". This is a NEWBIE REPORT

First day here, I went to La Piscina, I strip club in the most dangerous part of Bogota, the SanteFe "Zone of Tolerance". This area is dangerous at night and even in the daytime I never felt great there.

LOL!!!
Ok, you honestly admit to be a newbie, but this does not impede you to READ the forum before posting.
"The most dangerous part of Bogota"????
Do you have any idea of HOW COULD BE A DANGEROUS PLACE IN BOGOTA?
I spend hours in Santa Fe day and night every time I go to Bogota. Dangerous, but manageable.
If you want to see a dangerous place in Bogota, go to El Bronx. To save you the effort of scrolling back the forum, see here:
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...=1#post1106464
and also the previous post.

[FoxDirect]

Well I'm back from the "field". This is a NEWBIE REPORT so take it as such and please just skip the usual batter a few of you seem to love so much. Corrections / updates / names of places however are appreciated.

First day here, I went to La Piscina, I strip club in the most dangerous part of Bogota, the SanteFe "Zone of Tolerance". This area is dangerous at night and even in the daytime I never felt great there.

http://colombiapassport.com/2009/08/...-beaten-track/

I arrived too early (3PM) so nothing was going on at La Piscina, but I had some drinks with 3 white tourists, one 8. 5 chica and one 5 they managed to find somewhere for us. After a few rounds we went to another stripclub that was truly open, across the street. Nothing worth taking away but the chicks did get naked on stage on their 3rd dance.

Then I went and ate dinner and took a rest.

At 9:30PM my plan was to make it back to the La Piscina place I went earlier today. It's a huge place, beers are only $2USD and the quality of chicks is supposed to be incredible. Anyways, two taxi drivers told me I would get knifed or killed there at this time of night.

So instead I went to Extasis and another spot in a different side of town. Had a $12. 50USD beer at both. Then I headed to a really upscale place. The beer was $20 USD. FUCK. BUT. The girls were truly incredible. I'd say some of the hottest fucking girls I've ever seen in my life. It was mind numbing how hot these chicks were. I choose my favorite and she (a solid 9 in my book) sat down. Her ladies drink would have been $25USD so I stalled her and we mingled for a while. Then onto the business. There was a house fee of $132, 000 ($66 USD) right off the top. FUCK. Then she asked me for 600, 000! That's fucking $300 USD! I negotiated her from my offer of $150K down to $450, 000 but she wouldn't budge a bit lower. There was no way I'm paying $225 + 66 = basically $300 USD for only ONE FUCKING POP and one hour of time. NO WAY. Instead, I left and on my way out she told me she had a girlfriend that would go for $300, 000. (The chick was decent, nothing amazing) No thanks I said, I've already fallen in love with you, picked her up in the air and gave her a kiss on the cheek in front of all her supermodel ho friends, then walked. If you are interested in taking a look at the place (there are well over 15 smoking hot. 10 amazing and 5 decent girls in the place) It has more of a ultra-lounge atmosphere with older, rich Colombian guys in business suits, buying bottles and hot chicas. Anyways here are the directions:

Grab a cab and ask him to take you to 85 con 15. If he asks for more specific locations, or if you can't understand him, just say you want to go to the Carulla supermarket on 85 and 15. Make sure you ask the driver which direction is NORTE when getting out of the cab. . From there walk a block and a half north. On your right hand side you'll see neon lights, there are 2 or 3 clubs there. One of them is Extasis.

So, if U-turn right (towards the neon) you'll goto Extasis. But, if you continue North on down the street a ways. 3 more blocks, on the left hand side of the street you'll see doormen and possibly a lady or two outside of the high end place I mentioned.

Next up for me was one more no name place a taxi took me to where the girls were quite nice but a fucking beer cost $12. 50 USD AGAIN and I got pissed and left without ordering. On my way out they offered me $15 USD beer! I told them I wasn't a dumb gringo and left in my cab. I believe this city is seriously gringo unfriendly. But first my impression could be wrong. Anyways, I know the locals are paying WAY FUCKING less for the same shit.

So now I'm at home and ordering outcall for about $100 USD. Sucks but whatever.

Anyways, I'll leave Bogota for you guys to enjoy. I'm leaving for Medellin!

[David6935]

I have stayed at the Hotel VIP hotel apartment Bogota North numerous times. However for my current trip I have written to them and have not received an answer. Does anyone have info about them?

Any other good suggestions, I prefer hotels?

Thanks.

Mel

Mel. Have you had any luck reaching Hotel VIP? I emailed them a week and a half ago. Haven't heard back. I also tried calling all the numbers listed on their contact page:

http://sites.google.com/site/hotelvipbogota/contact

But no luck. I left a message on the 305 number.

For others who have stayed at Hotel VIP, are they usually pretty responsive? I'm going in late March, but I'd like to know if I'll be able to stay there or if I should look elsewhere.

Thanks