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  1. #6349
    Quote Originally Posted by NookyNinja  [View Original Post]
    Ninja sleeping long time, now wake up. Odd that in night in question (03:15, 23 May), no police report about incident in official log:.
    Ninja check earlier night 22 May as date confusion-also nothing.

  2. #6348
    Quote Originally Posted by NookyNinja  [View Original Post]
    Ninja sleeping long time, now wake up. Odd that in night in question (03:15, 23 May), no police report about incident in official log:

    http://www.berlin.de/polizei/polizei...?page_at_1_1=2

    Nothing written about incident, around date and time FL reports, or in reports hours / days later.

    Maybe FrenchLover clarify this as he talked with them. Maybe some local German expert friends comment. Ninja not so good in Deutsch.
    I talked to the west end police. I was also perplexed by lack of news report. Mugging with a gun is a big deal in berlin. Thanks for finding that link. I'll look into the matter and make sure what happened doesn't get buried. I reckon that the police department does have incentives to not report the crime in order to keep down the crime statistics.

  3. #6347

    Westkreuz

    Ninja sleeping long time, now wake up. Odd that in night in question (03:15, 23 May), no police report about incident in official log:

    http://www.berlin.de/polizei/polizei...?page_at_1_1=2

    Nothing written about incident, around date and time FL reports, or in reports hours / days later.

    Maybe FrenchLover clarify this as he talked with them. Maybe some local German expert friends comment. Ninja not so good in Deutsch.

  4. #6346
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketboy0  [View Original Post]
    The incidents were quite a while ago, on S-Bahns but in very different more outlying areas of the city. Berlin is one of Germany's,Europe's, indeed the world's safer cities, especially considering all the sex drugs and rock and roll that goes on here, with a somewhat high rate of unemployment and mix of foreigners. Though there is no one, simple good source, you can knock yourself out on these stats-

    http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings.jsp

    Of over 330 cities, Berlin ranks around 285 (dump the table into an excel sheet and sort by the crime number)-better than London, Paris, Stockholm, Copenhagen, all major US cities, and even rich Hamburg, and essentially tied with Frankfurt, though worse than Muenchen, the safest big city in DE.
    Thanks for the info. Not to disagree but I remembered that I read something on the Spiegel site so I searched the web, and while I did not find it, here's what I found: According to the federal criminal agency (go to bka dot de slash en and then publications) Berlin has the highest crime rate of all the federal states incl. The other city states, with cities over 200k inhabitants it ranks fourth behind Frankfurt, Dusseldorf and Cologne, and no. 1 in robberies for 2012 (latest numbers). But yes, London and Paris are much worse and also Rome, Barcelona and Lisbon (never been to Madrid). And the Americas are a totally different level.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketboy0  [View Original Post]
    On busy-ness Thurs Himmelfart (you gotta love that name) night, I kind of doubt it. Many Berliners will be gone, a few girls likely also, but possibly a few new recruits and while some tourists might be in, probably a wash. It has been oddly busier on the weekends lately so who knows. But it surely won't be a big deal either way.
    I was thinking busy because it is an announced party night as per the website, maybe because of that East German little wagon being drunk off the tits thing (and some tours could end at that location), and possibly there are more mid-week stranded work slaves far away from home like me, who don't have anything else to do, particularly since the weather is crap. But hopefully you're right. I'll let you guys know if I survived. BTW if anyone wants to meet up (not at Am Westkreuz, haha), let me know.

  5. #6345
    Perhaps Berlin is not the safest place in Germany, but the area around Artemis is probably the safest place in the whole former Eastern Germany, although strictly speaking Artemis lies in western Berlin which was not part of eastern germany.

    I have also walked in the area late at night many times, and never felt unsafe. I feel much more unsafe in Paris or London for example.

  6. #6344
    Quote Originally Posted by Diplomat  [View Original Post]
    Her name is Xenia but as I said she is not to be confused with the former Xenia who had been at Arte for years now...
    What about former Xenia is she still there? I have not seen in my last two visits.

  7. #6343
    Quote Originally Posted by NeutronFlux  [View Original Post]
    I have to mention that Berlin is one of the lesser safe cities in Germany and its police is notoriously understaffed. I recall there were also some incidents in the U- or S-Bahn not too long ago.Haha, I was actually thinking of going there tomorrow and taking that route (and I won't pay extra for the taxi just because of that). Actually, do you regulars here think that's a good idea or will it be too crowded?
    The incidents were quite a while ago, on S-Bahns but in very different more outlying areas of the city. Berlin is one of Germany's,Europe's, indeed the world's safer cities, especially considering all the sex drugs and rock and roll that goes on here, with a somewhat high rate of unemployment and mix of foreigners. Though there is no one, simple good source, you can knock yourself out on these stats-

    http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings.jsp

    Of over 330 cities, Berlin ranks around 285 (dump the table into an excel sheet and sort by the crime number)-better than London, Paris, Stockholm, Copenhagen, all major US cities, and even rich Hamburg, and essentially tied with Frankfurt, though worse than Muenchen, the safest big city in DE.

    This really was a sad, weird one off, and surely no one marked our unlucky victim (think about that-how could it possibly make sense, with hundreds walking through there every night, to single out one person, unknown, unknown exit time etc). Just bad luck and don't wish it on anyone but it is extremely rare and unusual, esp there. The tiny road in question just between the main street and over the bridge, before you get to the station is, in the wee wee hours dark and deserted and so a ripe place, but this was just a fluke thing. Unless it was our old pal Norjan, seeking revenge...

    Just use common sense, don't sit in an S Bahn car alone, and if really late or early in the morning, if at all possible, walk with another. You could just wait at the front door and ask as people leave who is going to Westkreuz station.

    On busy-ness Thurs Himmelfart (you gotta love that name) night, I kind of doubt it. Many Berliners will be gone, a few girls likely also, but possibly a few new recruits and while some tourists might be in, probably a wash. It has been oddly busier on the weekends lately so who knows. But it surely won't be a big deal either way.

  8. #6342
    Shit man, very sorry for you FrenchLover.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketboy0  [View Original Post]
    Assume you mean the small road by the Mller Tire Store going towards the S Bahn Westkreuz station. Normally full of people, and often police or others.
    Normally yes, but not at 3:30 am. Me too have been walking that road many times at pretty much any time of the day or night. While I never had any problem either I do remember though that it is one of those streets where I put on my mental alert in the middle of the night, because it is rather dark and deserted. Not that I think it would have helped much in the situation described by FL. Yes, normally this one of the better areas of town, also I think its rather unlikely that this incident was connected in any way to your A visit, but you never know. Lots of people take the public transport to and from Artemis, maybe even the majority. Unfortunetely, while its not that bad on a global scale, I have to mention that Berlin is one of the lesser safe cities in Germany and its police is notoriously understaffed. I recall there were also some incidents in the U- or S-Bahn not too long ago.

    But yes,

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketboy0  [View Original Post]
    Any big city, any where in the deepest night, can be a problem. It was just wrong place wrong time.
    This is true. Very unlucky indeed.

    Haha, I was actually thinking of going there tomorrow and taking that route (and I won't pay extra for the taxi just because of that). Actually, do you regulars here think that's a good idea or will it be too crowded?

  9. #6341
    Quote Originally Posted by Diplomat  [View Original Post]
    Hi Frenchlover,

    Really sorry you had such a shocking experience and thank you for reporting it. Wether you have been marked somehow by people who saw you earlier that evening I believe no one. At least no one here. Will be able to answer that. However you can be sure many if not most Artemis guests are tourists, business people etc. From different countries and if we take into account there are roughly a few hundred guests per day and at least some of them take the same walk as you did I really want to believe this was an isolated incident. I sincerely wish you never have such a bad experience ever again and of course I wish no one else will. Please keep us posted.

    By the way I have been with a new German girl a few times now I find highly attractive. Her name is Xenia but as I said she is not to be confused with the former Xenia who had been at Arte for years now. The new Xenia is a German brunette probably in her mid twenties, roughly 5'5' in height, beautiful natural slim body and with a gorgeous angelic face...
    Hi Diplomat,

    The new German girl I mentioned in my report might be the same one. I saw her on Wednesday but not Thursday. (My dates were off by one in my initial report). She was reserved and seldom walked around. I approached her. (I prefer approaching myself and really dislike being approached by the girls at Artemis). She and I had a great session together. Afterwards, I noticed no guys approached her despite her being probably the best girl out there. So I talked to her a few times about. She complained that guys just ignored her and went for other girls whom I considered undesirable. Eventually I caught lying on a seat downstairs almost sobbing to herself. So I dragged her back to the bar, told her to sit with me, in the middle of the bar, and maintained an open body stance toward the floor instead of the closed one she had been in all night. Eventually some guy passed and examined her with obvious interest. He thought she was with me and walked away. I grabbed him and recommended her to him. That's when she scolded for saying those silly words. I apologized and we decided that I stepped away for a moment now that she was in an open, high-traffic spot with proper body language. (I used to spend a lot of time on bar pickups). Shortly afterwards she hooked up with a youngish looking guy. I was happy for her. The sad part is when I saw her again a couple of hours later and greeted her, she turned a cold shoulder. C'est la vie.

    Part of the reason why I went back to Artemis on Thursday was to see if she came back. She didn't. Her name was Lana. She's from Nurnburg.

  10. #6340
    Quote Originally Posted by NilleCopenhagen  [View Original Post]
    Artemis is a very dangerous place full of naked women and sometimes if you are unlucky to run in the Russian Mob, shooting their way out as they didn't wanted to pay the girls, instead put a bullet in a security guy.

    So shit happens, just don't be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Sorry FrenchLover for your experience, you were very unlucky to be at the wrong place at the wrong time or maybe you gave the impression that you are full of money by tipping so much. You would never know would you?

    I've been walking in the area many times very later in the night during Summer and Winter, I never felt unsafe.
    I did withdraw 200 euros at the ATM in the club because I decided to stay longer. I initially wanted to stop by for just a couple of hours before going out to the pubs to try my pickup game. But when I was about to leave the first time, it was already too late. So I took out some cash and stayed for another hour and a half and did a (so-so) session with a cute Romanian girl.

    So someone might have seen me taking out cash at the ATM and informed his / her robber friend.

    The girls at Artemis were very aggressive. I turned almost all of them, some multiple times. This might have caused resentment. Maybe some girl decided to call up her friend to whack me for being repeatedly turned down by me.

    Also, my initial report had the dates off by one. The mugging occurred on Friday morning, 3:20 AM. I went to Artemis on Wednesday and Thursday nights. Artemis was very busy on Wednesday. But on Thursday there were more girls than guys.

  11. #6339
    Quote Originally Posted by FrenchLover  [View Original Post]
    No problem with Artemis nor the cabs. I was walking to the S Bahn station. I should've taken the cab instead, in hindsight.

    I would chalk it up to wrong place wrong time. The assailant probably saw an opportunity waiting for a single guy coming out from an establishment where customers can afford to potentially drop several hundred euros or more. I would be concern taking public transportation in the middle of the night even in NYC unless we're talking about the major subway interchanges (eg W4th/Union Square etc).

  12. #6338
    Quote Originally Posted by Jnpr30  [View Original Post]
    Whoa, what a report. Unbelievable. I thought Artemis would be a safe club to visit, did not know it was this dangerous. I was going to visit in a few weeks. Should I just drop my plans? I always take a cab, and people said German cab drivers are safe, this is not third world, etc, and now we are hearing of being pistol whipped and almost shot close to the club.

    Very scary.
    Artemis is a very dangerous place full of naked women and sometimes if you are unlucky to run in the Russian Mob, shooting their way out as they didn't wanted to pay the girls, instead put a bullet in a security guy.

    So shit happens, just don't be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

    Sorry FrenchLover for your experience, you were very unlucky to be at the wrong place at the wrong time or maybe you gave the impression that you are full of money by tipping so much. You would never know would you?

    I've been walking in the area many times very later in the night during Summer and Winter, I never felt unsafe.

  13. #6337

    New German Xenia

    Hi Frenchlover,

    Really sorry you had such a shocking experience and thank you for reporting it. Wether you have been marked somehow by people who saw you earlier that evening I believe no one. At least no one here. Will be able to answer that. However you can be sure many if not most Artemis guests are tourists, business people etc. From different countries and if we take into account there are roughly a few hundred guests per day and at least some of them take the same walk as you did I really want to believe this was an isolated incident. I sincerely wish you never have such a bad experience ever again and of course I wish no one else will. Please keep us posted.

    By the way I have been with a new German girl a few times now I find highly attractive. Her name is Xenia but as I said she is not to be confused with the former Xenia who had been at Arte for years now. The new Xenia is a German brunette probably in her mid twenties, roughly 5'5' in height, beautiful natural slim body and with a gorgeous angelic face. She had worked in another German club in North Rine Westphalia before and she is clearly a pro but I find her refreshing. The last two times I have seen her she was always sitting at the bar right hand side when you enter the main room. Right now she is not walking around a lot and she seems shy but she is of course not. She is highly educated and smart and I felt we connected from the very first moment. She gives a great BJ and I enjoyed licking her sweet tasty pussy which is something I rarely do at places like Artemis. Only light kissing and she sometimes tries using her hand to prevent things going to rough. However I am quite sure we will be able to overcome that. She has been there until Tuesday or Wednesday last week and I hope she will be back after 10 days. Definitely my type of girl.

    Cheers,

    Diplomat

  14. #6336
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketboy0  [View Original Post]
    Very sorry to hear of this awful story but let's not get carried away. The incident description is a little off. Assume you mean the small road by the Mller Tire Store going towards the S Bahn Westkreuz station. Normally full of people, and often police or others.

    In 9 years of doing this, first I ever hear of it. It is not dangerous. Any big city, any where in the deepest night, can be a problem. It was just wrong place wrong time.
    It indeed happened on that road by the tire store. When I went to Artemis, I also took the s bahn and walked the road. The area looked very peaceful and safe. I walked past the tire shop on my way to Artemis and was seen by two guys working there. I wonder if someone saw me walking to Artemis and decided to wait for me to come back at night.

    It did seem to be an isolated incident. However it shattered my previous assumption that Berlin was safe and a lot safer than New York City.

  15. #6335
    Quote Originally Posted by Jnpr30  [View Original Post]
    Whoa, what a report. Unbelievable. I thought Artemis would be a safe club to visit, did not know it was this dangerous. I was going to visit in a few weeks. Should I just drop my plans? I always take a cab, and people said German cab drivers are safe, this is not third world, etc, and now we are hearing of being pistol whipped and almost shot close to the club.

    Very scary.
    No problem with Artemis nor the cabs. I was walking to the S Bahn station. I should've taken the cab instead, in hindsight.

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