Filipinas - Opinions and Advice

[Wicked Roger]

total inability to think critically, to assess possible longer-range consequences of her actions. This would be consistent with an education system and a culture that discourages any form of critical thought, analysis or ideation.

GE.

Good observation GE.

Was speaking with a friend of mine the other night who lamented his wife could not really see the longer term picture, for her LT was barely the end of the week and sometimes a shorter time frame. She could not see the consequence of her actions regarding a fake Facebook page saying he and her were flying around the world each month (they were not) - she had a real Facebook page for the family and him but he found another one totally fake all for 'show'. She had no idea of the crap she would get when people found out she was lying.

There is limited critical thinking here because IMHO the education system in most parts is poor. I have seen the 'exams' given to some university students and these are so weak and lack any challenging questions or make the student critically examine and comment upon the subject. Plus the TV spouts out such total rubbish that says even the bad guys are good, all will be right eventually if you pray hard enough and best vote for some useless educationally challenged actor / actress / TV host because they seem nice.

Others may have a more critical / different view but I like to keep things simple if possible.

[GoodEnough]

This little soap opera in Dipolog just keeps getting better & better hehehe.

Late last night I hear a soft tap on my hotel room door. Open the door & there she is still in her massage girl smock. So much for security in this hotel.

She plants a passionate kiss on me & we shag again. After I get my breathe back I ask 'Have you spoken to John yet?' She replies 'I'm thinking I cannot because its hurts to him'. There is a pause & before I can say anything she hits me with another 'I have something to tell you'. Rolling my eyes thinking 'oh god, now what?

To paraphrase she hits me with a laundry list of sins perpetrated by 'John' mostly centering around his lack of understanding of her culture & accepting family around. I get a list of praises. I query her that she likes me & ok with me? 'Yes! Yes! I very ok with you! You very nice guy for me! I remind her I'm (ahem) leaving tomorrow. She tells me she does'nt want me to leave & instead move in with her in 'her' apartment.

Morbidly fascinated I ask what / when she will tell 'John'. Nope, not going to tell him, have me there bonking her while he sends the monthly payments is her brilliant plan.

She seems so genuinely sweet & innocent, hard to tell the real person. Maybe she is just unsophisticated / dumb or maybe she is a real world class swindler? The cultural nuances escape me.

In any event I tell its not going to happen & send her off with a little money as a parting gift.

My cell phone is now going crazy with txt messages as I pack for my flight.

Sometimes I think there is not a female in this country who is not hustling.

AV.

In between my bouts of laughter when reading this, I've tried to reflect on what this lady's actions might imply about the culture. Perhaps the apparent amorality is in fact suggestive of a total inability to think critically, to assess possible longer-range consequences of her actions. This would be consistent with an education system and a culture that discourages any form of critical thought, analysis or ideation.

GE.

[Amavida]

This little soap opera in Dipolog just keeps getting better & better hehehe.

Late last night I hear a soft tap on my hotel room door. Open the door & there she is still in her massage girl smock. So much for security in this hotel.

She plants a passionate kiss on me & we shag again. After I get my breathe back I ask 'Have you spoken to John yet?' She replies 'I'm thinking I cannot because its hurts to him'. There is a pause & before I can say anything she hits me with another 'I have something to tell you'. Rolling my eyes thinking 'oh god, now what?

To paraphrase she hits me with a laundry list of sins perpetrated by 'John' mostly centering around his lack of understanding of her culture & accepting family around. I get a list of praises. I query her that she likes me & ok with me? 'Yes! Yes! I very ok with you! You very nice guy for me! I remind her I'm (ahem) leaving tomorrow. She tells me she does'nt want me to leave & instead move in with her in 'her' apartment.

Morbidly fascinated I ask what / when she will tell 'John'. Nope, not going to tell him, have me there bonking her while he sends the monthly payments is her brilliant plan.

She seems so genuinely sweet & innocent, hard to tell the real person. Maybe she is just unsophisticated / dumb or maybe she is a real world class swindler? The cultural nuances escape me.

In any event I tell its not going to happen & send her off with a little money as a parting gift.

My cell phone is now going crazy with txt messages as I pack for my flight.

Sometimes I think there is not a female in this country who is not hustling.

AV.

[Sammon]

Correct. I don't care. Cutting her loose to make a decision is my way of diplomatically stepping out of this little drama. White knights who waltz off back to their home countries are fools. The girls have needs. They are not going to sit around knitting for months & months. That's just not realistic.

How many times have I heard these stories of elderly white knights who fork over money on a promise of future marriage. Countless. I have known a couple of guys who actually did give support to a chick they never banged. Not that it matters in this case. Just morbidly fascinated.

AV.

Few years ago I met a 18 year old very pretty girl in Cebu surroundings. She became my GF for a couple of years. Ofcourse I used to send her minimal money every month so that she can support herself, her mother and her younger sister. They were very poor. They live in a remote area on Cebu island and no chance of any employment. Later on she found a job in a store. Now she is married to a local and has a child.

When I met her she told me that she met a 60 year old man from Europe who was supporting her. Ofcourse as any of support payments there comes a time when people just stop including me.

She insisted the man did not fuck her but after me insisting it is a lie she admitted saying he did screw her and take her virginity. She was only 15 at that time she said. Extreme poverty forced her to do it she said. At least he gave her lots of money every month.

So do not believe your girl saying she never had sex with her man. It is like AC girls saying they are still virgins after having sex once or twice.

[WestCoast1]

I have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.

For fun, check youtube for pinoy comedian Mikey Bustos. He has quite a few comedy vids on pinoy culture. In one of his vids, he did a skit on pinoy lying. He said his best friend lies to him all the time, and its done to save face. He admitted that it must seem odd to outsiders. The vid link was originally sent to me by a pinay friend working in the middle east. We were discussing lying. Back when I was naive about how much the girls lie there, she was explaining to me that its not possible for her to get thru a conversation with a friend or relative without lying (however, she said she never lies when it comes to her work with other employees or customers). I asked her if she lies to me, as we seemed to be very good friends. "Yes I do. " I told her that I could never remember telling her a lie, ever, in 2 years of chat online. Do you lie to me often? She stopped and thought about that for a bit. "Hmmm. Yes. " When did you lie to me last? "Ah. Few days ago. You had a cold. You look bad. But I tell you that your guapo. " I see. Small white lie. "Yes. We filipina lie for many reasons. We lie to be polite. Also we lie when we know we should say the truth. Its part of who we are. " Then she told me about Mikey Bustos, and sent some youtube links. Check him out.

[Hutsori]

After this little episode, I did some research on system monitoring software. The one selected after some comparison shopping, is System Surveillance Pro. http://www.gpsoftdev.com/ This is invisible to anyone who doesn't know how to access it, and it lets me see what anyone using my computer has been doing, in detail. Screenshots, anything typed, sites visited, chat monitoring.

These girls live on their mobiles. If you really want to get into their lives get their mobile, have it rooted, and install monitoring software on it. You'll get everything System Surveillance Pro gives you plus GPS location, voice recording of calls including skype, whatsapp, etc. , and the ability to turn on the camera and microphone remotely. You may watch the show.

If I were to get serious about a girl I'd certainly make sure I have the ability to check the truthfulness of her love and devotion.

[Hutsori]

Mark, wherever you are, thank you SO MUCH for being too slow to get on a plane and actually spend time with this always-horny beauty (that you love). Thank you SO MUCH for not being aware that the amount you are sending her is well more than enough for her and her child to live comfortably in the small mindanao province (so much so that she has enough to buy me beer and never ask me for money -- for anything -- and give her mother thousands of excess pesos monthly). So, her gravy train continues, and so does mine!

It boggles my mind, but I'm a beneficiary of several girls' free time and on occasion her generosity too, so I'm happy with the arrangement. I wonder who these guys are. I reckon probably married and hen pecked. Perhaps fearful of coming over because they may just chuck in their old life for something new and exciting. Anyway Mark gets the companionship he wants from this relationship, i.e. talking to her on the phone, and if it's good enough for him who am I to object?

[D Cups]

. After one has been in the Philippines a while, one realizes that the girls lie all the time, about everything, almost like it's a bodily function. But how they react when you catch them at it is even more revealing, in a way, of their national psychology.

Thanks for the link, RA. As for the lying oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice first to deceive -- I forget who said it. I'm certainly no saint either. I usually tell the girls I have a business meeting with a mate and sometimes it's true but usually it's just more monkey business hahaha. I've never met any woman anywhere that I could be completely truthful with. I tried it and they don't handle it very well. Maybe that's why I've never been married. Oh well. Happy horndogging!

[WestCoast1]

We often hear from the cheated upon guys. I have a little experience to share that just happened this week. In essence I'm the 'other' guy through no fault of my own.

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Whoever you are John, your allegedly untouched 22 yr old Cebuano is one sweet shag. Sorry mate.

AV.

Udder guy: Salamat, salamat, salamat.

A tale from the crypt, which is not so unusual in phils.

My habit in the province is often to bus girls in from neighboring towns. It gives the girl a chance to not be around her community and do things she might get criticized for otherwise. It also keeps me from having to meet family, bff, etc. There's a province girl, age 21, that I've been with several times now. Thin, twiggy (80 lbs), cute, quiet (usually). Best asset: high level of horny (at night, after the whammy, sound asleep, she plays with both her nipples or mine, she can't stop). Likes to get on her knees in the shower and suck dick. Good girl.

One morning recently she started a fuck session (after trying to kill me in bed with fucking the night before: "I love drunk and fuck. " In the middle of the session, hammering away, her phone went off. Its maybe the loudest phone I've ever heard, with a god-awful ringtone. It rang and rang and rang. The caller hung up, then called again, over and over. She looked at the caller and then ignored it. Whoever was calling sure wanted to talk to the girl.

After the ditty ended and the heavy breathing was winding down the phone went off again. I told her she could answer it. She looked at the phone to see who was calling and said, "Later. " I got up off the bed and got into the shower. Stepping out to towel off after the shower, I could hear her giggling and talking to someone. I cracked the bathroom door to see her with the phone to her ear, carrying on a conversation in english. I could barely hear a man's voice coming from the phone. When I opened the door to step out of the CR, she pulled the sheet over her head, making a mild attempt to hide. She lowered her voice a bit.

I went to the bed and crawled under the covers, sitting up against the headboard, grabbed my laptop and fired it up and checked email. All this took about 10 minutes and she continued her conversation. Closer to the phone now, I could hear the man's voice and the whole conversation. Clearly a boyfriend. He was pleasant, loving, actively interested in the girl. He said he would like to come visit her soon. Her response to him: "You say that before many time. " More relationship stuff.

I put down the laptop and began rubbing my hand over her naked body under the bedsheet. She didn't resist. I played with her nipples, then moved my hand south, toyed with her clit. She never missed a beat with the guy as her breathing changed. I love it when it goes in this direction. I worked my middle and ring finger into her pussy, massaging some of my cum out. She started having a harder time talking to the foreigner. Then I slid my pinky finger, just barely the tip, into her ass. A slight gasp with a sharp inhale. Love it. (she had her first anal fuck the day prior).

The conversation continued until she said she had to go now. Wait for it, wait for it, he said: "I love you. " Silence. He said: "Babe?" Just as she was about to speak, I pushed my pinky finger in a bit more, causing another gasp. She said: "I go now," and she hung up on him. You might think that my fingering her like that was unkind, but as soon as she hung up, she rolled towards me, thrust her hips towards my hand to push deeper inside, grabbed my head and kissed me really good. Like I said before: oodles of horny locked up inside that tiny body.

I was sated, so we washed and went to breakfast. I asked about the gent. She said she's been chatting him for 2 years from some dating website, he sends money, he calls her a lot, and his name is Mark. Two years and he's never visited? "No. " How much money does he send you? "Um. Depend. 4000.5000. 6000 maybe. " Every month? "No. Two weeks. Each month two time. Like that. " Wow, so you're getting 10 k per month? "Sometimes 15. " Do you ask him for money? "One time only. 1500 my kid was sick. After that he just keep sending more. Always more. " Do you and Mark say I Love You on the phone? "Yes. " Do you love him? "Haha no. Just he think it. ".

On our last evening we went to a karaoke place, then to a bar that had a band. We had just one beer each there, and I went to the CR and asked for the bill at the same time. When I came back from the CR she was walking towards me, putting her hand in mine, to leave. I told her that I needed to pay for the two beers, and she said she had already paid for them. I told her that she didn't need to do that, but she was fine with it.

Well, she's always been happy with transport + blue note / night with me. And I can see why. Mark, wherever you are, thank you SO MUCH for being too slow to get on a plane and actually spend time with this always-horny beauty (that you love). Thank you SO MUCH for not being aware that the amount you are sending her is well more than enough for her and her child to live comfortably in the small mindanao province (so much so that she has enough to buy me beer and never ask me for money -- for anything -- and give her mother thousands of excess pesos monthly). So, her gravy train continues, and so does mine!

We all probably have similar stories, of being in bed with some pinay when her boyfriend (sugar daddy) calls. I think this relates to RK / TW / RollAides thoughts on pinay dishonesty below.

[Amavida]

First of all this girl may not love " John " but certainly loves his money. I do not believe she never had sex with him.

You are there to fuck and leave. No need to advice her to be truthful to John. Let her gravy train continue as long as possible. What do you care?

Correct. I don't care. Cutting her loose to make a decision is my way of diplomatically stepping out of this little drama. White knights who waltz off back to their home countries are fools. The girls have needs. They are not going to sit around knitting for months & months. That's just not realistic.

How many times have I heard these stories of elderly white knights who fork over money on a promise of future marriage. Countless. I have known a couple of guys who actually did give support to a chick they never banged. Not that it matters in this case. Just morbidly fascinated.

AV.

[Sammon]

Back at my hotel that night we talk about the near future. She has something to tell me because she doesn't want to lie to me. Uh huh. Turns out while I'm enjoying her carnal delights 'John' from England an elderly man is paying all her bills for her apartment. She says she never told him she loved him & never slept with him. Apparently I'm special. Falls for me & feels guilty to John.

She asks me what she should do. I advise her to be honest and be loyal to which ever party she chooses. Can't have your cake & eat it. Etc.

I cut her loose to 'make a decision'.

Whoever you are John, your allegedly untouched 22 yr old Cebuano is one sweet shag. Sorry mate.

AV.

First of all this girl may not love " John " but certainly loves his money. I do not believe she never had sex with him.

You are there to fuck and leave. No need to advice her to be truthful to John. Let her gravy train continue as long as possible. What do you care?

[Amavida]

i think you're being a bit harsh tw.

i have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of pinays lie easily and confidently.

however, when confronted with clear incontrovertible evidence that they are lying, they never admit it but instead resort to the most extraordinary strategies to show that they "didn't".

this has nothing to do with whether we tell lies or fibs or whatever (now and again).

we often hear from the cheated upon guys. i have a little experience to share that just happened this week. in essence i'm the 'other' guy through no fault of my own.

so i'm down in dipolog this week to attend to some minor business when i get temporarily stuck here due to glenda & bloody cebu pacific canceling flights with little warning.

as anyone would know there is no 'scene' to speak of here. however not to be deterred your intrepid correspondent books an in hotel massage and surprise surprise my 'therapist' takes a shine to me in a big way. gets my digits, arrives back in the morning for a beach outing, stays in my suite that night & enthusiastically plans a little 'vacation' to cebu with me. we stop at her place ostensibly for to pick up a dress. its a very nice brand new p8000/ month apartment with all the mod con's. hmm something not right here. from a p500 full body massage her cut is p70.

i'm not a 'meet the family' guy. i feel its dishonest but she ambushes me with a 'wait my mother is coming'. oh shit. eventually the whole bloody family shows up before i can beat a retreat.

back at my hotel that night we talk about the near future. she has something to tell me because she doesn't want to lie to me. uh huh. turns out while i'm enjoying her carnal delights 'john' from england an elderly man is paying all her bills for her apartment. she says she never told him she loved him & never slept with him. apparently i'm special. falls for me & feels guilty to john.

she asks me what she should do. i advise her to be honest and be loyal to which ever party she chooses. can't have your cake & eat it. etc.

i cut her loose to 'make a decision'.

whoever you are john, your allegedly untouched 22 yr old cebuano is one sweet shag. sorry mate.

av.

[Roll Aides]

I wouldn't take your experience with a local **** and convey that on all "Filipinas" because its not accurate. If she did a search on your personal computer and found that you are a member of ISG does that mean you are a liar? Are you looking for a wife or a hooker? Maybe you need to reevaluate your plan before your next visit.

Not sure what your panties are in a knot about, but I live here, I'm not visiting; and I'm not looking for either a wife or a working girl at this particular moment, but thanks for the concern.

So to simplify for the simpleminded: A good safety protocol for detecting Filipina bullshit while you are here is, in my experience, to install monitoring software on your personal computer, and allow the girl to use it unsupervised. It can be quite a revelation.

[Wicked Roger]

I think you're being a bit harsh TW.

I have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.

However, when confronted with clear incontrovertible evidence that they are lying, they NEVER admit it but instead resort to the most extraordinary strategies to show that they "didn't".

This has nothing to do with whether we tell lies or fibs or whatever (now and again).

I agree RK.

Recently someone told me this anecdote about his pinay who said she was at school. When he went to the school and found she had dropped out 18 months ago he asked "are you at school" - she replied "yes" (she even was wearing the uniform). When he then asked again but also said "and remember I have been to your school today and seen the registrar" she then admitted she was not at school but told him she was not lying as she still wore her uniform, went to school but just never went inside the campus.

Odd logic bit clearly acceptable to her. And remember many pinays can never tell you bad news, or want to hear bad news (maybe as a result of the truly stupid TV programmes they insist on showing and watching here), so they never see it as lying, just a cultural thing that we westerners don't understand (and never will IMHO).

[Red Kilt]

I wouldn't take your experience with a local **** and convey that on all "Filipinas" because its not accurate. If she did a search on your personal computer and found that you are a member of ISG does that mean you are a liar? Are you looking for a wife or a hooker? Maybe you need to reevaluate your plan before your next visit.

I think you're being a bit harsh TW.

I have experienced many times the main point that he makes: that it is accepted fairly generally that "most" (probably more than 90%) of Pinays lie easily and confidently.

However, when confronted with clear incontrovertible evidence that they are lying, they NEVER admit it but instead resort to the most extraordinary strategies to show that they "didn't".

This has nothing to do with whether we tell lies or fibs or whatever (now and again).