Kyiv

[Tits_Lover]

I got her phone number and I could talk with her on Viber. So she agreed to come to my place at 6 pm. Guess what, she never came and she never explained why she changed her mind. It could not be the price as we never talked about it. Some non-pros do that, they don't want to talk about price. So I just called a girl among my contacts and I had a good time for a good price.
I am happy to have some old contacts, otherwise I could wank or going to a massage salon.

Shit happens That's the risk of having little time and trying to line up a few dates. One can screw it all.

Still some gems out there available for digging.

[Sorbonne]

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.

But I'm not after such pros to begin with.

The question is what will happen to semi-pros and normal girls.

The bright side is that if you have girlfriends in Kiev, you can more easily bring them to EU countries.

[Sorbonne]

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.

Sounds true.

Such enterprising pros could create their own websites and come to spend 3 months (at a time in EU.

That's a scary thought.

[Bimbo Boy]

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussies are trying to hook a local wealthy man, that will provide for her. When he dumps her, it is usually with the gift of an apartment and a Porsche Cayenne.

Why go for western salarymen when you can get an rich local man?

[Bimbo Boy]

Hello,

I have now been living in Kiev for 2 years and I speak some Russian.
I can tell you that Kiev is a paradiise for mongers because:
- the girls are the prettiest in the world.
- foreigners are still in high value.
- there is a very scarce supply of interesting local men.
- plus the girls have very sweet and conservative personnalities, not like the feminist bitches so common in the West.

As a result, if you know how to approach the women, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Especially the girls that do not know English and there are many, especially out of Kiev city center.
Of course, the girls that know English and know how to market themselves out of Ukraine can command international prices.
Nearly all of my Ukrainian businessmen friends have wives or girlfriends that were born after they graduated from High School.

See here my present girlfriend. She is 25 and I am more than twice her age.
Regards.

Bimbo Boy.

I gave the bad news so I want to contribute also.
For instance: I have been working in Qatar since December-2012 and I just completed 4 years.
Qatar does not allow any Ukraine citizen to visit Qatar.
Of course there are Ukrainian people here:
-most of them works for Qatar Airways as crew.
-others works in hospitality sector in hotels.
I have plenty of Ukrainian girlfriends here but they are so smart because thousands of Arab millionaires are in service of these diamonds in the dessert. I observed that these girls helps their citizens to come / work in Qatar but the girls which arrives Qatar has already discovered their overestimated value in Qatar Stock Market. I am following around 500 crews in instagram, Arab rich are opening champagne in dohas nights clubs which is minimum 250 usd.
To sum up:
The girls which promotes themselves in instagram, has the enough savings to leave Ukraine.
The other girls which can contact foreigner via internet, can save a few hundreds to travel. Or they can find a fool monger like me all around the world and this fool will pay the cost of travel.
The remaining will be just a silly lady even if they are pretty, I would not prefer to be together such an idiot.
R. I. P. Ukraine mongering.

[EnricoMacias]

I gave the bad news so I want to contribute also.

For instance: I have been working in Qatar since December-2012 and I just completed 4 years.

Qatar does not allow any Ukraine citizen to visit Qatar.

Of course there are Ukrainian people here:

-most of them works for Qatar Airways as crew.

-others works in hospitality sector in hotels.

I have plenty of Ukrainian girlfriends here but they are so smart because thousands of Arab millionaires are in service of these diamonds in the dessert. I observed that these girls helps their citizens to come / work in Qatar but the girls which arrives Qatar has already discovered their overestimated value in Qatar Stock Market. I am following around 500 crews in instagram, Arab rich are opening champagne in dohas nights clubs which is minimum 250 usd.

To sum up:

The girls which promotes themselves in instagram, has the enough savings to leave Ukraine.

The other girls which can contact foreigner via internet, can save a few hundreds to travel. Or they can find a fool monger like me all around the world and this fool will pay the cost of travel.

The remaining will be just a silly lady even if they are pretty, I would not prefer to be together such an idiot.

R. I. P. Ukraine mongering.

[CallSign Papa]

Only time will really tell as to what the lifting of visa restrictions will do to talent in Kiev. Ultimately, the top tier girls won't be affected, they already travel whenever they want thanks to their network of eager sponsors.

I'm not really sure that middle tier girls are really going to be too in demand in the EU. Go to any major city in Europe and they're replete with a damn good display of hot girls. And let's not forget, for every girl that leaves Kiev for distant shores, there is a steady supply of village girls waiting to fill her place, either at universities or offices in the capital.

The simple fact is that (as I have stated repeatedly) for the first time visitor, Kiev is not a good destination. The language, the rising prices, the growing resentment and suspicion towards sex tourists will all create frustration. And we haven't even gotten to Trump and his buddy Putin, "there may be trouble ahead".

[Riina]

In any case I seriously hope that this is not the beginning of the end for OUR Kiev as we know it.

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.

[Jojosun]

Well, I know they like warmer countries like Italy or Spain but should also know the state of economy there. So maybe Germany?

But it is actually illegal for German employers in the industry to hire them, as the industry is legal and regulated in Germany. I wonder how this is going to play out.

In any case I seriously hope that this is not the beginning of the end for OUR Kiev as we know it.

Getting away from Kiev cheaply will be a another deciding factor.

Looking at a budget carrier such as https://wizzair.com/#/ it already flies to 5 cities in Germany.

For pros and semi pros the prices for sex in Germany is low so its not very tempting unless mongers there want a change from Romanian and Bulgarian girls dominating the FKK Scene there, but like you said UA girls won't be able to work there legally as its regulated.

If the UK was a member of the Schingen zone,. UA girls and pimps would've flooded London much in the same way as Poles and Romanians did since their. Countries joined the EU with no restrictions on visas and Work including Prostitution which is legal in the UK.

Brexit will end it within 2 years with less supply and higher prices for sex in London.

Cheers.

[Sorbonne]

Where do guys think they are most likely to work? Italy Spain?

Well, I know they like warmer countries like Italy or Spain but should also know the state of economy there. So maybe Germany?

But it is actually illegal for German employers in the industry to hire them, as the industry is legal and regulated in Germany. I wonder how this is going to play out.

In any case I seriously hope that this is not the beginning of the end for OUR Kiev as we know it.

[Sorbonne]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7462631.html

Bad news for mongers.

Ukrainian chicks will go EU easier.

Now the price / efficiency ratio will be higher. Quality will be decrease.

"Under the deal, visa requirements may be reintroduced if there is a surge of citizens from a non-EU country such as Ukraine or Georgia staying irregularly in EU territory. ".

This makes it sound like the deal would make the girls to think it's better to go west ASAP before the visa requirements are reintroduced!

[Riina]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7462631.html

Bad news for mongers.

Ukrainian chicks will go EU easier.

Now the price / efficiency ratio will be higher. Quality will be decrease.

Where do guys think they are most likely to work? Italy Spain?

[EnricoMacias]

I did not search anything on the street because there are thousands of Arabs, Egyptian, Turks are already staring girls and stopping them.

That time I realized that the best girls of Ukraine are taken by local rich people. The remaining best girls are travelling to dubai, France, Maldives as a suitcase of a rich Arab, or European thanks to social media like Instagram.

The ones that we are chatting are the rest and most probably the worst of the product.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7462631.html

Bad news for mongers.

Ukrainian chicks will go EU easier.

Now the price / efficiency ratio will be higher. Quality will be decrease.

[Volpone]

How was that new one? .

BTW, it is very important to collect phone numbers from every girl and soon you can find out who is managing an agency with fake profiles.

I got her phone number and I could talk with her on Viber. So she agreed to come to my place at 6 pm. Guess what, she never came and she never explained why she changed her mind. It could not be the price as we never talked about it. Some non-pros do that, they don't want to talk about price. So I just called a girl among my contacts and I had a good time for a good price.

I am happy to have some old contacts, otherwise I could wank or going to a massage salon.

[BellBottomsDJ]

It did happen to me once. You should avoid to copy / paste the same message to every girl too quickly. Have some various intro and use the girl name to start with.

Avoid to mention sex and money too quickly. Let them come forward, don't use "sex", "USD", etc but maybe "s ex" or "franklin".

If you harass the girls they easily block you and report you which will translate in banning.

Overall this means you need to spend months to prepare your trip. It does pay off.

Too beautiful pics should ring a bell and typically they offer everything in their profiles which probably means it is an agency running the profile.

It takes time.

Yes, that is exactly what triggered it the first time I was blocked! Sending copy paste. I had to email them and explain "there are only so many different ways I can introduce myself and that copy / paste shouldn't get me blocked". That was the first time. The second was due to sexual propositions and now they directly told me "no" . Anyone know how to change an IP address? Haha. I'm pretty much banned for life I would imagine.

Are the agencies all "$500 an hour" waste of time crap?