Thread: The Morality of Prostitution
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04-11-04 22:13 #1516
Posts: 159Let me get back on my high horse for a minute. I left something very important out for some of you living upside down in "caves".
Most people care very little about others, so lets talk about how dangerous mongering is to us. You can die from catching AIDS, or get some other terrible disease. Traveling to foreign countries to get pussy, is risky, you could end up in jail, robbed or beaten.
Yes, those girls will use sad stories to get money from you, or worst won't give you a good sexual experience. Mongering is addicting, although the DMV-IV doesn't use the term sexual addict, the behavior is universally well known to clinicians.( I would go out on a limb here and say people who post frequently here 500 and above, have a high percentage rate of being addicted to sex and/or are preoccupied with sex and it might interfear with your life, or for sure your wallet.)
To say there is no difference between a longshoreman and hooker is laughable. Can you see the Hooker at a social gathering when asked what she does for a living, say "Im a Hooker", can you picture the reaction and hard-ons'! Can the Hooker go to the bank and fill out loan papers for a house, and put down she is a hooker, and bring out her tax returns to prove it? There is a stigma attached to be a Hooker, and it take a high toll on both the Monger and the Hooker.
Ok, I'll get off my high horse now. If you want to monger, well have fun. The excitement and pleasure is almost worth it.
KA, drug use in TJ is rampant among Bargirls, places like Chicago Club, Playboy Club, etc. You don't see it like in the States with Street walkers, but its there. There is even a current report that talks about it in the Tijuana section. If you want a really good session, offer the girl drugs, she will follow you right up, and offer you anything you want. But if you get caugh by those TJ cops, it will cost you a lot of money you get out that bad situation, or you might end up in a Mexican jail for a long time. Hey, I said this business is dangerous!
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04-11-04 12:25 #1515
Posts: 3359The only difference between a hooker selling her pussy and a longshoreman selling his body is that fucking is a hell of a lot easier.
You think prostitution is wrong, don't fuck prostitutes. You think homosexuality is wrong, don't fuck anyone of the same sex. You think communism is wrong, don't be a communist. But don't preach your moral bullshit to me.
Well, I'm off to shove some more rocks in front of the cave.
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04-10-04 21:31 #1514
Posts: 41GT, et. al:
You're just feeling righteous at the moment. Anybody who grew up within a Judeo-Chrsitian environment might feel that way occassionally.
Do you feel mongers exploit sex workers? The tables can be turned and its the sex workers exploiting us for our money. Sometimes we get ripped off buying drinks and getting no play.
The girls may lie and create stories about mommy needing surgery to extract a sucker monger's hard-earned dineros. A girl even said she loved me after meeting for less than one hour. What bullshit designed to take more of my money!
In response to Pokey, most girls in Tijuana do not use drugs. In contrast, many sex workers in US use drugs.
JZ, I help girls out a bit occassionally if I feel she's nice. Altruism is a different higher order type of fulfillment versus basic sex, and I feel the two cannot really be compared. I do like to try to encourage girls to think about the future, the longevity of their current profession, and the need to develop other skills.
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04-10-04 21:12 #1513
Posts: 178Tang, Here is a suggestion for you. In Phoenix where you now live they have a couple of dozen sexual addiction meetings. Go and find a young man who is struggling with picking up hookers, be his friend, mentor him, and help him turn his life around. Give him the benefit of all your experience.
You'd be helping someone who wants and needs it; you'd have one less man "victimizing prostitutes"; and you'd be walking the walk instead of just talk.
Of course, it's so much more fun to come in here and look at nude pictures and tell everyone what a changed man you are.
Civ2000
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04-10-04 20:13 #1512
Posts: 607It's laughable that 2 senior members with a combined >400 posts between them want get all sanctimonious about how wrong it is to utilize the services of prostitutes.
Pokey, burning eyes from reading GT's post? More like pissing my pants because I'm laughing so hard. I don't see anything wrong with exchanging money for sex. The actual amount exchanged is irrelevant.
What I'd like to know: How is a woman selling her pussy/mouth/ass any different than a longshoreman selling his arms/back/legs? The psychological argument has no realy statistics to back it up. Any studies that say this kind of crap are skewed in favor of the pricks that try to use them to brow beat with.
You're going to clean up your act at some point in the nebulous future? Why not do it now? Stop reading this board and go live the life you think is right. Until you at least hobble the walk, shitting the talk just raises a nasty stench.
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04-10-04 20:01 #1511
Posts: 159Right on GT! Some of these guys act like "Vampires" I guess making suggestings to them is like showing them the cross. they can't handle it, its buring they're eyes!
We as mongers are exploiting sex workers, especially if we are going to 3rd world countries to do it, and paying them the equivalent to less them $10 in our currency.Most Prostitutes lead a dimal life, althought I guess a very few, lead a happy and rich life, but thats less them 5%, the rest don't make much money and a lot of them resort to drugs to help them cope.( I know that RN disagrees on this point, but why does she spend so much time helping ex hookers?)
I guess some good comes out of prostitution, most of the girls I'm with send money back home. Sometimes its the only money the family has to live on.
I want to one day want to clean up my act and quit mongering, but today is not that day. In fact I was planing on taking a trip across the border tommorow, Easter Sunday, but changed my mine, because Mexico is a Catholic country, and yes even if lot of the girls are Prostitutes, they are still Catholics. I can respect that, and GT too.
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04-10-04 19:26 #1510
Posts: 607GT,
You think Jesus would've bothered helping Mary Magdalene if she wasn't sucking his dick on the side? Why do you think he liked hanging with pros?
Seriously though, you gotta lighten up. Like JZ said, go out and live your life as an example. Show us heathen ne'er-do-wells how we should act instead of just ranting at us, which you should see, is not going to do any good whatsoever. In that case, even if you never convert a single person to your cause, at least, if you live the game you're talking, you'll do some real good (according to your own sermonizing).
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04-10-04 18:09 #1509
Posts: 3359Seems like a few people have been hitting the Jim Jones Kool-Aid again. Religion is a tool of the ruling class.
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04-10-04 16:53 #1508
Posts: 2017GT, your words would carry a lot more weight if YOU had actually done anything you're advocating as opposed to simply preaching on the wings of a movie hangover. Please let us know when you are happily married and have rescued a couple of working ladies from the street. You say "Helping these girls out can truthfully become equally as addicting as the sex." Are you speaking from personal experience? Can you provide a couple of examples of how you've changed some of these ladies' lives for the better? If not, how about practicing a bit more before you preach?
I'm happy you've found a moral code that works for you, but your code is not my code. I do not believe prostitution is essentially immoral, and as a non-Christian I find that Christian judgements on the morality of others are usually laughable. I deal with adults who make the choices that adults make, and I treat them like any other people I am with, giving them respect and treating them well. The fact that sex happens to be involved in the transaction makes no real difference -- I don't "take advantage" of shop workers, waiters/waitresses, street vendors, repair people, sex workers or anyone else who uses their body to do work. If I feel I'm dealing with someone who is being coerced, who is there because of an addiction or personal problem, etc., then I'm simply not going to be involved in P4P with them. Whether I go the extra step and try to get involved in their personal life and help them depends on the situation, but I've certainly done it at times in all of these instances.
To quote you, in a post made six months or so ago, "LE will all try and paint this pitty picture about how the poor working girl is totally being taken advantage of. In many cases this might be true, but is equally as many, it is not! Many indoor providers, truly do enjoy their trade! They aqctually like meeting new men and enjoying sexual experiences with them. I ask you again, when done discretly and in a manor where no person gets hurt, is this a crime?"
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04-10-04 16:03 #1507
Posts: 178gettingtang, i seriously hope that jackson doesn't kick you off this board because you do provide and interesting and informative counterpoint.
i would like to ask if god is leading you to help save the lives of the men of this board and lead us out of lives of bebauchery. is this something you've prayed about and seeked counsel with your pastor? otherwise, i believe your time as a new christian would probably be better spent reading the bible and learning all you can about christianity.
for example you would learn that god loves ****s and instead of hoping that god has no mercy upon their souls, you should be praying for their repentance so that they will inherit the kingdom of heaven with you.
i personally disagree with this but having been raised in a christian home that is the teaching of the bible.
as far as helping prostitutes: great! i've been there and done that. the problem is that they usually see us as "marks" and pretend to be trying to get clean and sober and all the while stealing from you and bleeding you dry. you will always hear "i will go into rehab next week" "i'm really sick, i need some drugs to tide me over until i get to rehab" etc. tomorrow never comes. i remember going to this one gal's home and meeting her mother who told me i was about the twentieth guy attempting to save her. she said next week after half the stuff in my house ends up missing she'll be there with guy # 21.
the best thing you can do if you want to help these women is to donate time or money to one of the numerous agencies that help them. i know of several in seattle alone. there is even a table set up on friday and saturday nights in the middle of the stroll where a sw can go and be taken off the streets away from her pimp; into a safe house; offered drug and alcohol treatment; counseling; schooling; etc. basically a completely new way of life is hers for the asking. most of the sw's just laugh it off and walk away with a handful of condoms. the basic rule of anyone with a lifestyle or drug addiction problem: they have to want to get help.
also, there numerous agencies that help victimized kids; help take ****s off the streets, wsg charities is great. you are obviously fairly well-off tang. you are well traveled, have spent probably hundreds of thousands on the hobby. there is a lot you can do. do it!
but i really have to wonder if your pastor is really telling you to spend your first days as a renewed christian on a pornographic web site reading about our conquests and trying to stamp out the world's oldest profession. good luck!
there's better places for you to spend your time. find them!
civ2000
p. s. jackson -- my understanding is that a little religious messaging is okay in response to a post, particularly on this particular thread. i hope i didn't cross any lines and if so i won't do it again.
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04-10-04 12:50 #1506
Posts: 3359"It's addicting, impure and morally corrupt"
And those are only three of the things I like about it.
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04-10-04 11:35 #1505
Posts: 383I have a suggestion for all you mongers in. How about cleaning up your acts, settling down and finding a nice women to marry. If you're already married, how about jump starting your sex lives with the little ole lady? It's much nicer and safer. Of course you will need to get screened for all the nasty little STDs before doing this.
Seriously, I will not judge others on this forum, but if you step back from the game for a while and seriously take a look at yourselves, you will realize how wrong this game is. It's addicting, impure and morally corrupt. Not to mention, in one way or another it will catch up to you, at some point in your life.
When you see the working girls out on the streets, you should feel sorry for them, think about what got them there. These girls have no future, probably were molested as children and have addiction problems. I know their out there offering up sex for $, but it's still wrong to take advantage of them. Yes, I said take advantage. Look at the women of Thailand, some of these ladies are sweet as can be and us westerners with a few extra dollars go over and demand disgusting sex with girls half your age for the price you pay for a dinner out in the USA. It's wrong. Taking advantage of anyone, no matter what circumstance got them to resorting to prostitution, it still does not make it right!
How about offering some of these girls some help, see if they would be willing to get into drug rehab if they have a drug addiction, see if they need psychological help if they were beaten or molested as children. I would reccomend trying it for once. Helping these girls out can truthfully become equally as addicting as the sex. Remember they are people too. They all were born into this world just like you and I, they all had mother's and fathers, some have children, brothers and sisters. When you look at a homeless person, do you ever think, "I wonder how that person got to be where they are? Same concept for working girls. They were never offered a fair shake in like 9 times out of 10. And for God's sake, if you must engage in prostiution, do it respectfully. And remember to ask yourself.......would my mother be proud of me, if she saw me doing this? I highly doubt it. So to sum it all up, try offering someone a helping hand sometime, in any manor you can. You might find it much more rewarding then some cheap BJ. you might even find it rewarding!
PS. To the great administer of this site. I believe I am still fully meeting your posting guidelines, I'm offering info and contacts, also, mixing in a little of my personal points of view on the side. As I have and still do respect your site, I sure hope you'll respect my rights to throw in a little extra in my posting style.
Formerly GETTINGTANG~!
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04-08-04 03:40 #1504
Posts: 383Daddy Lows,
You're correct! The guest you reffer to was a memeber of the Arc Angles.
People, lighten up! If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about.
TANG!
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04-07-04 19:56 #1503
Posts: 133Gettingtang,
Did you listen to Art Bell on Coast-to-Coast recently? Last two weekends ago he interviewed a former member of Interpol who was assigned to a covert black-ops subdivision whose one purpose was to find child pornographers and anyone related to that specific business and terminate them. I remember one quote from his interview saying that on some occasions he would catch the perpetrators in the act of denigrating children as young as 18 months old and that he said, "There was this look on their faces. I don't what else to describe it as pure evil." Also, he mentioned that though he meted out the ultimate punishment to these demented individuals, he also suffered from the killings because after so many deaths, the bloodthirst got to him and he was ashamed that sometimes, he enjoyed torturing the perps for information. It kind of reminds me of that one old phrase from antiquity: Who watches the watchers?
Peace
BTW, if there are two consenting adults having sex, I don't see any problems with morality. Sex, though biologically a procreational device, is also physiological. Damn it, it feels good. What's wrong with that? Must we suffer on Earth during life before we suffer afterwards in death, too?
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04-07-04 17:00 #1502
Posts: 1642"the semantically ridiculous."
All we have to do is look at the InternetSecurity section to see what that phrase means.
To me Jackson's ban is clear.