FKK Artemis - Berlin

[HDN2015]

I was in Artemis last week end, tried to negotiate a BBBJ. The lady explained me why it's so complicate right now. But anyway, some German women had left, some are new, other women are still rude and will never see my money. Artemis is a good club, but the new rules lead me to go often in Spain than the last year.

[Sirioja]

Even 100 doesn't guarantee good service at Artemis. Other clubs in Germany are better value for money, but if you are in Berlin for business or you live there, you have not so many choices, so that's the price.

No private, no escorts. Some escorts in Germany are for 150/ h, when at least 120 at Artemis.

[Danny227]

Has the pricing really been changed so much in the past 12 months? Last May I was enjoying 30 min for 60 e. And wasnt rushed. Nor experienced any upselling. But again, this maybe different, if you are obviously a foreigner. - I would also charge sex tourists more. As they have no choice.

New rules let girls say, that a good half hour is 100. Of course you can say, OK 60 no extra, but then it will be even worst. Girls got so used to 10-15 minutes for 100 that they don't like anything else. You might get lucky, but I doubt it. People that like longer sessions get better service and price at this point is not so different from other clubs (I don't consider 20-30 euros a big difference).

[Mr Ho]

Hakim and Kenan are not Lebanese. They are Turkish / Kurdish. They had several plans for extending their business which never got converted.

There was a plan in potsdam to open other big FKK and I think it began the constructing, but it never made it to complete. This was not by the owner of Artemis though.

[ExpatLover]

Hakim and Kenan are not Lebanese. They are Turkish / Kurdish. They had several plans for extending their business which never got converted.

I was thinking that Artemis is owned by the HA, it is at least what is written on the German forums.

[Rogue Nation]

Agree! Wondered about that too. I think it may have to do with strong libanese families running the show. And intimidating any other launch attempts. But this still begs the questions why the same owners of Artemis have not launched two establishements. One in the east part and one in the west part (Artemis)?

Hakim and Kenan are not Lebanese. They are Turkish / Kurdish. They had several plans for extending their business which never got converted.

[Kuni042]

Agree! Wondered about that too. I think it may have to do with strong libanese families running the show. And intimidating any other launch attempts. But this still begs the questions why the same owners of Artemis have not launched two establishements. One in the east part and one in the west part (Artemis)?

Makes me wonder how come there isn't another FKK club in Berlin or even near Berlin just like Frankfurt in example? I mean it is the capital of Germany ffs!

[Traveller63]

I don't think prices have changed. This was always a guide-price, the actual price was left to the girls.

Some, will of course try and charge more if they think they can or they don't fancy the punter.

The 'banning' of BBBJ has provided them with an opportunity to sell at a premium that which used to be free.

However, you can haggle or refuse.

Seems to be getting rather hysterical.

[Member #4636]

Even 100 doesn't guarantee good service at Artemis. Other clubs in Germany are better value for money, but if you are in Berlin for business or you live there, you have not so many choices, so that's the price.

Makes me wonder how come there isn't another FKK club in Berlin or even near Berlin just like Frankfurt in example? I mean it is the capital of Germany ffs!

[Kuni042]

Has the pricing really been changed so much in the past 12 months? Last May I was enjoying 30 min for 60 e. And wasnt rushed. Nor experienced any upselling. But again, this maybe different, if you are obviously a foreigner. - I would also charge sex tourists more. As they have no choice.

Even 100 doesn't guarantee good service at Artemis. Other clubs in Germany are better value for money, but if you are in Berlin for business or you live there, you have not so many choices, so that's the price.

[Optimist]

Even 100 doesn't guarantee good service at Artemis. Other clubs in Germany are better value for money, but if you are in Berlin for business or you live there, you have not so many choices, so that's the price.

Correct. Incalls in Berlin can be exploitative (in my experience), and are spread out, so one can take a hour to travel and then have to walk away when quoted ridiculous prices. Some members have done great at Insomnia and partytreffs but that is not my style. Streetwalkers worked best for me. So you are right, if already in Berlin Artemis sets the price and service.

[Danny227]

Nice to hear a different perspective. I still aim for excellent service for a rate of under 50 per 30 minutes (or 60 were I to go to Artemis).

Thank you Danny 227 for explaining so clearly why I have not visited Artemis recently: 100 for 30 minutes to get decent service is not for me. Whilst I willingly pay several 100 to a girl it is not when 100 for 30 is the starting point

Cheers

Even 100 doesn't guarantee good service at Artemis. Other clubs in Germany are better value for money, but if you are in Berlin for business or you live there, you have not so many choices, so that's the price.

[Danny227]

For that deal you can get good service at almost an Club with almost every girl.

Of course. Even for less. But I am only referring to good service at in Artemis, that is how it works there. 30 minutes, you'll pay 100 and girls will rush you out of the room in 10-15 minutes. So you need minimum one hour not to be rushed. A good one hour is no less then 150-170.

[Canary]

Well there are many theories about many things but after several thousand years at the Fick Fabrik, RB can say it all boils down to chemistry. If you take your time, choose well, are clean and smell nice, and exhibit just a little charm and respect (hiding your diploma from the Conan the Barbarian School of Etiquette),...

there is absolutely no problem experiencing and enjoying DFK and DATY in a 30 min session.

You just need to click with a girl, feel the vibe, and not be shy about walking away if all does not feel right. Some girls are not comfortable there, or even with their bodies, and the whole Artemis deal is just putting in the time to get the Euros..

I suppose at the end of the day it's just a bit of common sense really!

Being clean is vital, being interesting helps and more importantly respectful to the lady. The chances of having a great session are then hugely improved, it's just a few simple rules of etiquette.

Of course with some ladies it doesn't matter what you do or say but with a bit of intelligence it's not difficult to "weed out" these poor providers.

There will be occasions when you make a mistake but generally I've had many many more successes than failures.

Surely picking the right girl is all part of the package of fun at these clubs?

[Gino02]

Well there are many theories about many things but after several thousand years at the Fick Fabrik, RB can say it all boils down to chemistry. If you take your time, choose well, are clean and smell nice, and exhibit just a little charm and respect (hiding your diploma from the Conan the Barbarian School of Etiquette),...

there is absolutely no problem experiencing and enjoying DFK and DATY in a 30 min session.

You just need to click with a girl, feel the vibe, and not be shy about walking away if all does not feel right. Some girls are not comfortable there, or even with their bodies, and the whole Artemis deal is just putting in the time to get the Euros. You need to develop a sense of this, and avoid. But most are friendly, and also want to have a pleasant time; they do not have rules about what they will feel in 30 min vs 1 hours. You just have to tune in to what makes them tick, and somehow create a mood that you are not just another stupid tourist with a cock. And reality being what it is, sometimes a girl will simply not find you sufficiently attractive to kiss or let you lick her or whatever. It has nothing to do with "service" (itself a highly subjective concept); it just happens, and even lots more Euros won't change it. So you just roll with it, and decide if knowing this, you still want to carry on. RB would not, but many are happy enough with an optifick so that's fine for them. Common sense, really.

It does take a little practice, but really not so much as just take the time up front to talk, do a little light touching, and get things in synch, basically seducing each other, vs just grabbing an item off the shelf in a supermarket.

I have been surprised many times with real passion, even with girls who have a kind of cool, distant, tough, even intimidating personna, like Vegas, Lena, Sariah, or Lea or even some of the late Team Abdul gang. You can have a roaring good time for 30 min if you just slow it down, get things right at the beginning, and with a little talking up front before you head off, the 30 min is actually 45 or so. Just toward the closing of the deal, be clear what you want if there are deal breakers, and don't zimmer if the vibe is dubious. The good times are easy if you make the girl feel comfortable, and it's not that difficult.

Wow! One of the best advice post I have ever seen. I personally already try to do the same, but this post really reminded me why I was failing some recently. Great suggestions well written. Thanks Nooky Ninja for referring to this old post.