Kyiv

[Kozerog]

Prices are what they are and will remain dynamic changing with supply and demand based on seasons and girls needs, this forum should be more geared to locations of pickup spots and lounges.

Well, yes, but one of the things you have to do, prior to any business deal, is get some idea of acceptable price ranges. (Unless your budget is unlimited, on which case you just pay whatever price the other person asks.).

Someone here made a typo about 200 uah / hour rather than 2000 uah / hour, and of course everyone jumped on him and said that was unrealistic. Imagine if he met a nice semi-pro prospect in person, and she liked him and was ready to go ahead with the deal, and then he came out and offered 200 uah / hour. She's more likely to walk off in disgust, unwilling to listen further, than to hang around bargaining him up to 2000. Turkish rug market tactics just don't work well when negotiating for sex, especially with semi-pros. So you need to make a good first offer.

If you want a LTR, which is what I want (and have with my jewel), and you don't have unlimited funds, you need to walk a fine line between offering too little, so that the girl isn't happy, and offering more than you can afford in the long run, so that you are unhappy. If either party is unhappy, price will eventually have to be renegotiated, which is a problem if you need to negotiate down because you can't afford the original rate. No girl likes to feel that she is worth less after the man gets to know her than before, so better to err slightly on the side of underpaying initially, then raise the rate later. "Under promise and over deliver" is usually a good rule in long term business dealings.

Another thing, just because entry level salaries in Kyiv are like 50 uah / hour (under $2/hour) and 250 uah / hour (under $10/hour) is a good salary, rates for sex work operate in a different world. As I reported before, I spent less than $40/ day living in Kyiv this past summer, not counting girls ($25/ day rent, $8/ day food, $7/ day other), so it's not like I'm a big spender. But at the same time, I paid my jewel almost $5000 over the course of the summer (the number I gave previously was wrong, I've since calculated more precisely from notes I kept) and I'll probably pay $6000 over the course of next summer. Summer in Kyiv is my only sex all year, my jewel gives me what I want, I don't want to bother with finding a replacement for her, and $6000/ year is well within my budget, especially since I'm such a cheapskate about everything except girls. (Much of the year I camp out in the mountains and pay nothing for rent and live in bread, peanuts, chocolate and other cheap trail food.) There are many other men throwing money at these girls as well and there'll be more such men in the future as China, India and the Muslim world all become richer and surplus males from those countries travel to Ukraine to see if white girls are really that special. If you can get the girls you want cheaply, go for it, but be aware that you have competition and the prices the competition is willing to pay is ultimately what sets rates, not Ukrainian average starting or mid-level salaries.

Finally, just in case newbies read this message not not older messages, Kyiv is best thought of as a place for older foreign men to get a much younger woman (or harem of younger women) as a non-exclusive paid mistress (meaning she also has sex with local men her own age and perhaps with other foreign men). If you just want one-shot bangs, rather than LTR, Kyiv is probably not a good place, unless you can afford KEC / Gia prices.

[Stevie69]

I read the caveat at the end, but once again, I suggest all negotiations should be conducted in UAH! You should not even be thinking in USD or Euros. If the exchange fluctuates, it does not matter; it is not your problem. When in Ukraine, sue the UAH. As many of us have found out, 2000 UAh is plenty to get good quality girls to perform at their best. I you start your bidding at 3000 UAH, you might as well stay home. If you have an unlimited budget, you would not be reading this site.

I completely agree. So here's my advice to average newcomers to Kyiv, who have a limited budget, regarding pricing for semi-pros from Mamba. Start with offer of $100 for 1-2 hours. If you like the girl and want to see her longer, offer $150 to extend to 3-4 hours. If the girl initially had an high opinion of her value and demanded $100 for a single hour and you agreed to that, then she probably won't agree to extend to 4 hours for $150. But you should be able to extend to 2 hours for $150, unless she had prior scheduling commitments. Next visit, try to get her to accept $150 for 3 hours, and eventually you might be able to push her to 4 hours for that amount.

Most semi-pros in Kyiv will be highly tempted by $150 for 4 hours from a repeat client who wasn't unpleasant, unless they are very short of time (university student, young child, full time job, etc). If shortage of time is the problem, maybe try to accommodate her schedule by letting her arrive in work clothes and relax a bit at your hotel or apartment before sex.

I'm aware that not everyone wants that much time, whereas I prefer longer sessions twice a week rather than shorter but more frequent sessions. Fire those newcomers who prefer shorter seasons, advice can be shortened to "offer $100 for an hour of sex"..

[Michi T]

Has any senior members seen this girl? Any reviews on her?

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...%5B0%5D=europe

She wants me to fly her to Batumi, Georgia.

I not see that. But alarm bells ring imediately. I have bad feelings when I see that website. Reminds me to the Scam in Poland with Odoloty etc. In addition, Georgia is another trigger that rings my bells!

[MagicSheep74]

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[YerevanBatumi]

Has any senior members seen this girl? Any reviews on her?

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...%5B0%5D=europe

She wants me to fly her to Batumi, Georgia.

[Wingwang]

I'm up for sharing the legit and good girls we find on Kiev.

https://t.me/joinchat/HNPXAw7tQXsDc-RTFYGsIQ is a channel for sharing information.

I am not able to open the chat link.

[Michi T]

...Sure you'll see beautiful looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available. ....

Really? Why not?

[DramaFree11]

The plot thikens!

Who cares that KEC-GIA actually does show faces for most of the girls? Does it matter that lvov24 online portfolios are even heavier photoshopped than those of their prospective competitor?

Either way I am fine with introducing healthy competition, as long as prices go down across the board, and quality improves starting from truck driver hookers on Kiev outskirts, all the way to scantily clad freshmen students strolling by McDonald's on K in the hope of improving their immediate financial outlook.

Bring those Lvov24 immaculate ladies from Western Ukraine to Kiev for sampling!

Why anyone would use Gia on a regular basis, makes no sense. Instead of bragging they should be embarrassed and ashamed. Complete rip off. $200-250 hour, plus travel cost, is way too much in Kiev, to bang average girls. To be excited that you getting a discount with this agency means you have spent real big money there, that is real embarrassing. Many or these girls could not get jobs in High End Strip Clubs, (In another Country), the are just not that attractive. Max in Kiev should be $150, for multiple sessions or over night.

$200 or more is total rip off, as I have mentioned in several previous posts where you can have beautiful women for much cheaper and longer periods of time. Gia should only be used as a last option, or if you happen to be in Kiev on legit business and you do not have time for a lot of B. S. Many Guys claim, there are all these hot girls running the streets in Kiev, then I ask why is there not another option to Gia and why are they not meeting them on the streets and paying a quarter of the price. The same guys claim Mamba is great, then they are running back to Gia or Rio. Sure the girls show up on time and dress appropriately, but that is about the only good thing.

They claim that there is girls lined up just waiting to work for the agency this is just not true.

With Airbnb and Uber several places that used to be expensive, are only slightly more expensive then Kiev now and girls are much hotter and way more fun. You can get and nice apartment in the Center of Moscow, for $40-55 night, great price. Many other destinations, same prices.

Be smart and make good decision. Go to Kiev, but meet girls on the street, maybe mix in Rio one night or Caribbean Club. By no means I am sawing it is good, I would avoid Kiev at all cost, especially if your are a newbie.

Sorry Gia, is laughing at us and they do not monitor this site, if that was the case I would be banned from Gia. Stop drinking the Kool Aid.

[DramaFree11]

Unfortunately coming from Spain, you'll be very disappointed. The options in Barcelona and Madrid are endless, and even the Slavic girls you do find in Spain seem to be happier and provide a better service. Sure you'll see beautiful looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available. It an interesting city in other ways, but for pay for play its very hard work, time consuming and ultimately dissatisfying.

Good luck and stick with Russia / Spain.

Kiev will be a major let down, very over-rated. The girls where you are at are way better looking no comparison.

[DramaFree11]

Kudos to Riina for suggesting small $7-12 L'Occitane hand creams of various flavors as gifts for ladies in Kiev. Girls love them, and the returned gratitude is so worth that additional investment! Gave it only to those that performed in an admirable fashion, and their verbal reactions, their face impressions could have made an interesting documentary. Lots of fun indeed!

Thank you much!

Yes, good idea, nice ice breaker.

[Elemtere2]

Same here. I found girls on Mamba. Quality goes with $$ I am going back in Nov.

I'm up for sharing the legit and good girls we find on Kiev.

https://t.me/joinchat/HNPXAw7tQXsDc-RTFYGsIQ is a channel for sharing information.

[PhotoSlider]

Kudos to Riina for suggesting small $7-12 L'Occitane hand creams of various flavors as gifts for ladies in Kiev. Girls love them, and the returned gratitude is so worth that additional investment! Gave it only to those that performed in an admirable fashion, and their verbal reactions, their face impressions could have made an interesting documentary. Lots of fun indeed!

Thank you much!

[Wingwang]

Agreed. I've been using Mamba primarily for finding the girls. It works in every city but Kiev has much much more girls compared to other cities.

I don't know about any clubs / bars / places to approach girls directly though. I am open to any suggestions. I've met 6 (I guess) girls from Mamba and they were all different quality, all priced between 1500-3000 for 1 h.

I used Mamba 3 years ago and it was terrible, I wanted to kill myself, I can only imagine how bad it is now.

Same here. I found girls on Mamba. Quality goes with $$ I am going back in Nov.

[DramaFree11]

Agreed. I've been using Mamba primarily for finding the girls. It works in every city but Kiev has much much more girls compared to other cities.

I don't know about any clubs / bars / places to approach girls directly though. I am open to any suggestions. I've met 6 (I guess) girls from Mamba and they were all different quality, all priced between 1500-3000 for 1 h.

I used Mamba 3 years ago and it was terrible, I wanted to kill myself, I can only imagine how bad it is now.

[Elemtere2]

Prices are what they are and will remain dynamic changing with supply and demand based on seasons and girls needs, this forum should be more geared to locations of pickup spots and lounges.

Agreed. I've been using Mamba primarily for finding the girls. It works in every city but Kiev has much much more girls compared to other cities.

I don't know about any clubs / bars / places to approach girls directly though. I am open to any suggestions. I've met 6 (I guess) girls from Mamba and they were all different quality, all priced between 1500-3000 for 1 h.